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Title: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 11, 2010, 10:34:02 PM
(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/news/Jungle_Done.jpg)

on his  roadtrip to the abandoned warehouse (http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1678.0) in hungary, bela discovered - amongst others - a shinobi-converted taito jungle king. although it seemed to be in rough shape and it would take a lot of time and money to get all the jungle king parts together, i needed to have this cabinet in my collection, because i had played the game like a madman on my commodore 64. we managed to figure out a  german - hungarian trade (http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1784.0) and so the cabinet made its way across the german border into my storage, where i did some first inspections!

everything about its shape screams TAITO, but (almost) nothing else suggests that this was once an original jungle king cabinet - i still don't understand why a Sega game ended up in a Taito shell ???

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/4882570239_703d8e24b5_b_d.jpg)

the right side - grey on grey

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4882569893_9be530e452_b_d.jpg)

the left side - you can clearly see the original green jungle king colors underneath that layer of grey! :-*

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4883176856_d6414369b0_b_d.jpg)

a more detailed shot of the hidden artwork

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4883177384_24d50d43ac_b_d.jpg)

as usual, the corners are rough, but the material that taito used on their cabs doesn't deserve to be called "wood" - i'll post more pics of that "crime" later on >:(

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4882571275_8cee1d747f_b_d.jpg)

shinobi identification plaque on the back of the cab

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4882570433_51b77851f5_b_d.jpg)

shinobi control panel

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4883177870_8e99551080_b_d.jpg)

the front of the cabinet will also need an overhaul

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4882570901_303bb4ac02_b_d.jpg)

with the coin door removed, parts of the original art come to light

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4883178298_df25b4c9d3_b_d.jpg)

a sneak peek inside the cabinet (photo courtesy of bela ;D)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4882571817_0cc9ccb192_b_d.jpg)

as you can see, a switcher has been installed (although it's falling apart) and an original shinobi pcb is present. if anyone is interested in the shinobi conversion kit, just let me know!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4882572035_37f2d7b25b_b_d.jpg)

behind the generic marquee hides an original taito lighting system - completely different from the usual tube stuff! :P

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4882571421_a23f639399_b_d.jpg)

because the cabinet needs a complete makeover, i've decided to dismantle it entirely which gives me better control over the individual pieces. fortunately, those taito games come apart easily: just a couple of L-brackets and some nails to be removed. let's start at the very top!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4882572211_e3eb1e75a4_b_d.jpg)

looking dangerous, doesn't it? :twisted:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4883179040_16c569c11f_b_d.jpg)

halfway there ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4882572585_c06e1e00f7_b_d.jpg)

the sad remains of the on/off switch at the bottom of the cabinet - and an itsy-bitsy spider. can you spot it?

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4883179448_d5d81a36b8_b_d.jpg)

nothing left but the very bottom

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4882573095_cb37180708_b_d.jpg)

the bottom viewed from the bottom ;) - a lot of work is going to be needed there as well!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4883179882_8461379913_b_d.jpg)

just a couple of screws and nails i removed from the cabinet. i guess they need to be replaced ;)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4883180954_9f785f28d9_b_d.jpg)

in order to repaint the cabinet in its original color scheme, i need to have the colors scanned first. because the "scanner guys" need a large enough area to work with, i'm carefully removing parts of the grey top layer!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4882573693_e3d68a5b4f_b_d.jpg)

i can spot some interesting details at the lower left corner, so i'm once again using the exacto knife to "dig" for what lies underneath ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4882573519_3df9906901_b_d.jpg)

i L-O-V-E :-* stuff like that!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4883180522_8e0a31087f_b_d.jpg)

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Muerto on August 12, 2010, 09:44:51 AM
that sure need´s a lot of TLC! - but again, it´s ended in the right place!!! :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on August 12, 2010, 09:52:27 AM
that sure need´s a lot of TLC! - but again, it´s ended in the right place!!! :spaceace:
+100


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Ronald Reagan on August 12, 2010, 10:02:38 AM
cool, it's like a treasure hunt


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Laschek on August 12, 2010, 11:22:00 AM
i still don't understand why a Sega game ended up in a Taito shell ???

Why did a poker game end up in a Missile Command shell? Because the operator had it sitting in his warehouse, needed a new game and converted it to save on costs for a complete new game. Common practice (unfortunately for us) and nothing to do with what brand is what.

PS: you could consider buying a tumbler to make those screws shiny again, might be useful for other small metal parts as well  ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: funkycochise on August 12, 2010, 11:33:58 AM
fortunately or unfortunately, debate is open.

if the cab was only there to waste some space, not sure the operator wouldn't have destroyed it.
So even if the shell is repainted and is a pain in the ass to remove now,
it's maybe the thing that saved its life.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 12, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
So even if the shell is repainted and is a pain in the ass to remove now,
it's maybe the thing that saved its life.

good point, it could have been trashed if it hadn't been converted, this way it lived to see another day (in the jungle) 8)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Laschek on August 12, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
Agree, good point, but it's still unfortunate that it's not in it's original condition  ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: funkycochise on August 12, 2010, 11:57:59 AM
Agree, good point, but it's still unfortunate that it's not in it's original condition  ;)
of course.

that said, might the force be with you ully, shinobi is a pure gem of the modern era games


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 12, 2010, 12:05:50 PM
Well, its in a good place now for sure !


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on August 12, 2010, 12:16:59 PM
Still, conversions are not as common in Europe as they were in the US. I think here most cabs were simply trashed after they reached the point of not earning money...only some lucky one's survived, the one's we are chasing each day ;)

Wouldn't it be better to remove the paint layer with some paint remover ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 12, 2010, 12:25:54 PM
Wouldn't it be better to remove the paint layer with some paint remover ?

i tried that first, but the "wood" and the colors underneath didn't react too well to that stuff, that's why i scraped it off. since there are so many damages to the individual pieces, it needs to be repainted anyway!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Muerto on August 12, 2010, 03:10:03 PM
i tried that first, but the "wood" and the colors underneath didn't react too well to that stuff, that's why i scraped it off. since there are so many damages to the individual pieces, it needs to be repainted anyway!

If you're going to repaint the cab, why don´t you sand it down like you did on your Pac Man?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: funkycochise on August 12, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
I think he wants to know how the cab looks like, before erasing the sides arts.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 12, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
i know what the cab looks like underneath the grey layer, i just needed to "exhume" a large enough area for the colors to be scanned. the copyright message at the bottom i "unearthed" for a different reason ;). you'll find that out later. believe me: i know what i'm doing 8) - at least i hope so ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: gyruss on August 12, 2010, 07:56:00 PM
What a hell of a restoration you are planning to do.  :o
I love those taito cabinets and Jungle King is a great game. Good luck, can't wait for the result.  :)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on August 12, 2010, 08:07:56 PM
That restoration will be very interesting to follow, and what I like the most about it, it's the huge history behind this cabinet... it was long time ago in Hungary... shinobi-converted ... and now in Germany ... etc  8)
This cabinet will have a real 'soul' after that  :P
Good luck  :)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 12, 2010, 09:42:58 PM
everybody is talking about a restauration, i think ressurection fits thisone better  :lol:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on August 12, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
All the cabs I left there were dumped a few weeks ago, now it's a workshop of a tombstone maker and I'm serious. :o
Ully is really the saviour of Jungle King and Ikari Warriors. ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 24, 2010, 05:13:22 PM

the restoration continues ...

while removing the wooden coin door panel, i realized some nails at the bottom which weren't supposed to be there

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4923330980_29a5cb2ce9_b_d.jpg)

this needed some further investigation (see how beat up that cabinet is?)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/4922739101_2eeb3d5b0c_b_d.jpg)

i removed all the nails that didn't belong there ... :twisted:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4923330702_383720d41b_b_d.jpg)

... and guess what: a part of the panel simply fell off

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4923330594_9a0bf4184c_b_d.jpg)

without using any of those nasty nails, i simply glued it back on again. other parts of the cabinet were loose as well, so they got the same treatment!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4923331128_a65db201ab_b_d.jpg)

and here they are, all the pieces of the cabinet lined up nicely :-*

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4922738341_25680e8fae_b_d.jpg)

as i've said before, having those individual parts gives me much better control over the restoration process. with that being said, i started to sand down the old color layers - look how the original paint job starts to shine through :arrow:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4922738735_0f936fd1bb_b_d.jpg)

coin door panel: DONE!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4923330188_9d17378cc8_b_d.jpg)

the same was done to the other parts, i especially loved removing the grey color layer from the sides :-*

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4923332202_b7651153bd_b_d.jpg)

some would consider this restored ;)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4922739969_4c56a37de2_b_d.jpg)

on the left JUNGLE KING, on the right SHINOBI. which one looks better?

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4922740107_557096a3f7_b_d.jpg)

of course that was not good enough, so i continued with my mission

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4922739813_e1179a3704_b_d.jpg)

underneath that paint i found a huge crack in one of the sides ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4923331282_172224a3b0_b_d.jpg)

... and a part where the cabinet had obviously been fixed before

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4922740807_8008538706_z_d.jpg) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4922741141_b6b9233666_z_d.jpg)

another comparison shot

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4923331904_a60e6497c9_b_d.jpg)

blank!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4922741021_804f1d2ef1_b_d.jpg)

with the outside done, i turned to the inside

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4922740397_bdd5dbec2d_b_d.jpg)

you can clearly see where they painted over the original black color for the grey shinobi look

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/4922740691_ee6d260b43_b_d.jpg)

my first thought was to only remove that grey color, but when i started to do so i realized that (a) the black comes off easily and (b) removing the old smelly paint entirely probably isn't the worst idea

so here's the result of that consideration ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4923332588_b2b487ca75_b_d.jpg)

... and the results of many hours doing nothing but sanding, sanding and sanding

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/4923332964_94d4fefe97_b_d.jpg)

in between those sanding sessions, i found the time for some minor side projects (which all revolved around sanding as well 8)):

the monitor mounting bracket before the operation

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4923333800_0cc0213dab_b_d.jpg)

as you can see, full of color spots and lighty rusted

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4922742637_39af79ec05_b_d.jpg)

after some sanding and polishing rounds, here are the results: not perfect, but good enough - i didn't want to be too anal about this part :ghost:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4922742501_d1fbb42260_z_d.jpg) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4922742269_9aa2eae32b_z_d.jpg)

next up: the cabinet wheels. as you can see, they were totally worn with huge chunks of plastic sticking out

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4923333160_e52dc2b005_b_d.jpg)

i could have simply bought new ones, but as long as pieces are salvageable, i'll try to use them. what i did was stick the wheels on a pen and let the rotational pull of the sander do the trick ;D

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4923333682_95ffab4078_b_d.jpg)

so much better than before!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4922741859_b58a4d9da8_b_d.jpg)

here they are again together with the sanded / polished "wheel holders" (i don't know what the correct term for those parts is)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4922741699_0be5f22d5b_b_d.jpg)

and finally: from a rusty dull coin box to a shiny polished coin bucket

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4923333276_e7c855cf02_b_d.jpg)

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: scr33n on August 24, 2010, 09:26:56 PM
 :o :o  :-*

Very interesting to follow Ully ... thanks  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2010, 04:51:37 PM
Its looking good already !


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on September 03, 2010, 06:53:20 PM

the restoration continues ...

now that the cab has been sanded down, i need to fix the damages to the wood before i can start with the paint job. as i've said before, the wood used on those taito cabs doesn't deserve to be called like that - it's more like swollen frazzled cardboard. check out the following pictures to understand what i'm talking about :arrow:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/4954071493_279fc6fbfa_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/4954658916_dd132d1373_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4954069451_d1309f66f9_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4954658562_93cf2a86cb_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4096/4954657832_4e496fae57_z_d.jpg) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/4954068993_3739df4a89_z_d.jpg)

in order to fix those heavy damages, i need to remove the redundant "wood" first

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/4954068743_9b33fa67d8_b_d.jpg)

then the "wood" is being treated with wood hardener

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/4954068369_b85fcf7473_b_d.jpg)

after some drying time, i can fill all the holes with my beloved ponal duo :-*

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4954659380_a1ca955541_b_d.jpg)

because the cabinet is disassembled, i can work on the filling job simultaneously by stacking the individual pieces on top of each other 8)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/4954659542_724d905288_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/4954071099_72f708b0f6_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/4954069809_7e1627809c_b_d.jpg)

after the wood filler is hard enough, it's back to the "sanding board" again - and here are the results :arrow:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/4954070639_41fcf42dc5_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/4954070943_f54f47869a_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/4954659704_54ec17aabd_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/4954660578_2ea72cdddc_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4954660108_bac10352f1_b_d.jpg)

after many many days of wood filling, sanding, wood filling, sanding, woodfilling and one final round of sanding, all the cabinet's pieces (note that the picture shows just some of them) are ready for the next step: the paint job!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/4954659220_653b5638b2_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4954071657_b88b155992_b_d.jpg)

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on September 03, 2010, 09:07:32 PM
I respect your patience and skills ully !

i would have gone mad after 2hours, and you are doing this for days  :o


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on September 03, 2010, 09:35:54 PM
thx etienne, but how do you know that i haven't gone mad yet?  :P :o

seriously, there are times when i have to do another round of sanding when i'm thinking "i wish i'd be done with this for good" - and then i discover a new spot which needs to be fixed that i've missed before :evil:. but the thought of applying / removing the stencils, putting the cab back together again, installing the wiring and turning on the game for the very first time keep me going. it'll be totally worth all the efforts in the end and will be a kickass cab once i'm finished!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: gyruss on September 03, 2010, 10:20:06 PM
indeed respect! I wouldn't have the patience or the skill to pull off such a restoration. I'm sure it will be very rewarding when you play the game for the first time on you fresh cabinet.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on October 23, 2010, 05:12:52 PM
the restoration continues ...

the sides of the boards which will be on the inside of the cab only get a clear wood primer

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1071/5106720861_9435d7b955_b_d.jpg)

on top of that, some layers of black! after a few painting - sanding - painting sessions, the results are in :arrow:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1204/5107318552_0f0a9340e4_b_d.jpg)

just perfect! :-*

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1313/5106720765_4a1150afa4_b_d.jpg)

the two outer sides which will eventually be painted in green get a special white wood primer because (a) the primer also fills up small gouges and (b) the white is going to make the green P-O-P 8)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1259/5106721163_f1834b5df4_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1243/5107317918_fa8167b48e_b_d.jpg)

time to head out to my favorite shop: farben pfeiler!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1097/5107317780_95c2c844c6_b_d.jpg)

the owner of the shop, marko, already knows who and what he's dealing with and he does his best to make his customers happy. i get nice discounts on the colors and from time to time he throws in some free painting items. if i ever manage to get my own gigantic game room, he will receive an extra vip invitation!

here's one side of the cabinet in marko's shop for the color scanning process. as you can see, that job was done before i started with the individual paint jobs, but for "dramaturgic" reasons i've mixed up the order  :P

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1146/5107317692_545101c727_b_d.jpg)

look at that green :o

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1055/5106721025_01c166ee54_b_d.jpg)

roll over beethoven

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/5107317854_19051479f2_b_d.jpg)

one down, one to go

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1353/5107318198_a5975d4852_b_d.jpg)

first coat of green applied - one (or two) more coat(s) and the stencilling process can begin :)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/5107318656_5860aeb692_b_d.jpg)

P-O-P :-*

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1245/5106721097_315cf3ec54_b_d.jpg)

doesn't that look just gorgeous? :spaceace:

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: scr33n on October 23, 2010, 05:36:37 PM
doesn't that look just gorgeous? :spaceace:

+100 !!!!

Awesome job Ully - now I want to see your stencils process ....  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Reinhold on October 23, 2010, 05:41:26 PM
Damn that color is soooo awesome :D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on October 23, 2010, 06:32:09 PM
Awesome job Ully - now I want to see your stencils process ....  :spaceace:

thx max! i will try the "scr33n route" this time: stencils + rollers since because your results look so fabulous! will have to do some testing on a spare piece of wood first though PLUS the stencils haven't arrived yet, but they're already on their way over here. i will have to wait another week for the paint to dry completely anyway PLUS (another one ;)) then the school holidays are here. i already have a busy schedule planned for that week :P


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on October 23, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
Gee did you try the paint on the motorbike in front of the shop ?  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: funkycochise on October 24, 2010, 09:04:01 AM
Gee did you try the paint on the motorbike in front of the shop ?  ;D ;D ;D

not sure, but the "matrazen" shop adverts, without any hesitation.  ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on October 24, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
Gee did you try the paint on the motorbike in front of the shop ?  ;D ;D ;D

that is my motorbike. thought i'd go jungle king-style with it ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on October 30, 2010, 04:13:10 PM

the restoration continues ...

after two more layers of green and enough drying time, the sides are ready - for the next step!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1258/5128608492_8b97f80560_b_d.jpg)

the original colors weren't matte, but they weren't glossy either, that's why i went with satin-gloss. however, the result is a little bit too glossy, that's why i'm going to put a clear matte coat on top of everything once the stencilling job is over (which i would have done anyway) - this should even out the glossy effect a little bit without taking it away completely!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/5128607484_6341b0d512_b_d.jpg)

the result is stunning (looking even better in reality) - nice flat finish with just a little bit of orange peel! :-*

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5128003385_44695a3c92_b_d.jpg)

some more random shots. that green is gorgeous!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5128608904_42a99d88b9_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1222/5128002167_eb17f3fca2_b_d.jpg)

in the meantime, the stencils have arrived from the usa (perfect timing one could say), but unfortunately they didn't slip through customs >:(. even worse: it's a public holiday on monday, which means i won't be able to pick up the stuff before tuesday. DAMN!!!

this gives me time to do some preliminary test runs with a spare set of stencils and rollers. since max "scr33n" has achieved such fabulous results when "stencil-rolling" on the paint, i've decided to take the same route this time. for that, i've painted a board in green ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/5128607332_a9e81d66b8_b_d.jpg)

... and applied some stencil leftovers! i was having a hard time making those stencils stick however, don't know whether it's the paint or the wood or a combination of both ???! anyone wanna make a guess which game those came from? ;)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1430/5128003971_fe2d488ac0_b_d.jpg)

two layers of dark green later ...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1376/5128608100_9a95cd4bcc_b_d.jpg)

... i'm carefully removing the stencils and i have already been expecting those results: while there was no problem at all with paint delamination this time, i have a lot of paint runs under the stencils. this was most likely caused by the missing "stickiness" of the stencils (which i have mentioned above).

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1357/5128003771_205e530232_b_d.jpg)

as you can imagine, i'm not happy with the results! :(

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5128607844_7e6e45221f_b_d.jpg)

the big question is: will the taito stencils adhere better to the paint / wood of the original cab, thus preventing paint runs under the stencils? i sure hope so ...

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on October 30, 2010, 05:34:10 PM
Woow, you're right  :o that fresh new green color looks absolutely gorgeous  :P
You're right to test the stencils technique first... It would be a real shame to miss that operation on the cabinet itself. :ghost:
Cannot help you because I've never tried any stencil job, and I can understand *after a previous bad experience* you'll take a maximum of precaution before starting THE operation.
Good luck and may the 'Scr33n' method by with you.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on October 30, 2010, 11:26:41 PM
Ully, what paint do you use ? (Brand)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on October 31, 2010, 12:08:38 AM
brand is RELIUS (with a new updated formula), not some cheap home depot stuff. you can clearly see / feel the difference when compared to some other stuff i have used. you can also see the difference when looking into your purse ;)
oil-based by the way! i really think the problem was based on the bad adhesive quality of the stencils - at least that's what i'm hoping! i have a spare taito front door stencil from brian which i will use to make another test run on a different piece of wood before taking on the real deal with the sides. i want to make sure this is going to work out this time! does anyone know what type of wood those taito cabs used? what's it called? i need to find an identical spare piece.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on October 31, 2010, 06:50:49 AM
if i look to this pic, i would say that the sides are MDF, although it looks also a bit particle board maybe its a mix between MDF and particle board.
Anyway, MDF will be a good replacement for this kind of wood

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/4954068743_9b33fa67d8_b_d.jpg)

the bottom is plywood (multiplex in dutch)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4954659380_a1ca955541_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on October 31, 2010, 08:18:49 AM
if i look to this pic, i would say that the sides are MDF, although it looks also a bit particle board maybe its a mix between MDF and particle board.
Anyway, MDF will be a good replacement for this kind of wood

thx etienne! i agree with your assessment of the wood being a mixture: when you work on the flat sides it screams parcicle wood, the edges make it look more like mdf. i will take one of the smaller pieces to a shop with me and tell them that i want the exact same thing :P


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Bods on November 04, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
 :) Great work matey

Awesome to see a machine like this saved and brought back to life :D

I used to love Jungle Hunt on the Atari 2600

I picked up an original taito Jungle King pcb for my collection too


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on November 08, 2010, 07:08:01 PM

today, the biggest package i EVER got from the usa arrived! :shock: a big THANK YOU goes out to brian from gamestencils.com for collecting the items for me!!! :-*

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1249/5158229363_02cfb0e6f7_b_d.jpg)

in it (among other items likes marquees, stickers and opto boards for my missile command) were a lot of parts for my ongoing jungle king resto project, for example a complete wiring harness!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5158230315_584d4e4625_b_d.jpg)

also in it: the missing parts from my taito coin door (thx to anthony from quarterarcade for putting all that stuff together!), ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/5158229813_8618a2e05e_b_d.jpg)

... pcb brackets, ...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1370/5158230039_44f6fb83b0_b_d.jpg)

... the filter board ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/5158230705_0b7bbf2121_b_d.jpg)

... and a jungle hunt control panel (identical to jungle king)! :)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/5158229587_a8bcb77d3b_b_d.jpg)

a couple of days prior to the arrival of the box, i had already received a tube from brian :arrow:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1419/5158877898_a494bee366_b_d.jpg)

obviously, it had been opened by the customs - look at all those stickers :o

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5158878152_5a6c594448_b_d.jpg)

in it, some taito stencils for an enhancement on the cab which i'll reveal in detail later ;D

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/5158878532_cda9f8d0a8_b_d.jpg)

a complete taito stencil set (sideart and coin door stencils)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/5158878042_679e170ec3_b_d.jpg)

the all-important copyright message - more on that later as well 8)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/5158268259_0b3926df15_b_d.jpg)

and last but not least: a control panel overlay!!! perfect quality as always (thx to rich from thisoldgame.com for doing this!)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/5158878422_fae288d007_b_d.jpg)

now all i'm missing is a marquee and a pcb! @ravage & alpha1: ehmmmm ... ;)



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on November 15, 2010, 07:10:52 PM

the restoration continues ...

starting with something simple this time: the pcb brackets. as you can see on the following pictures, the rails which hold the pcb in place are somewhat out of alignment and the ugly yellowed glue underneath can be seen! :(

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1412/5178628023_2bbdef9faf_z_d.jpg) (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1277/5178627747_4a041828d7_z_d.jpg)

of course, superully has to correct this ;) so let's get the rails off first!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1322/5178628231_5cac5eebf2_b_d.jpg)

done ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5179233170_06ced1b2be_b_d.jpg)

... and done!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1388/5178628983_7684ccb020_b_d.jpg)

anyone need glue? ;D

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5178628751_4c0a2cc910_b_d.jpg)

after a lot of polishing, the pcb brackets have gone from this ...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1370/5158230039_44f6fb83b0_b_d.jpg)

... to that! :spaceace:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1359/5179232434_10faa2c79b_b_d.jpg)

up next: the bezel! i've tried to find one in europe - without success. i had found one in the usa, but importing that huge piece of glass would have cost a fortune - around 130 bucks (and you never know whether it's going to arrive in one or in a zillion pieces). therefore, i've decided to go with my own reproduction. as a start, i've placed an order for something big!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/5178631999_06ce674161_b_d.jpg)

inside, a cut-to-size plexiglass

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1409/5178631803_cdc08a3ed9_b_d.jpg)

however, that's not good enough yet! i need something else, so let's place another order :)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1397/5179236034_84ea1d297c_b_d.jpg)

a first peek inside

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5179235552_03c5f8e14a_b_d.jpg)

thx to andré (for sending me the graphics file) and some guy from the german arcade forum (for printing it), i now have a nice printout of the bezel artwork!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5178632337_657ac0ded0_b_d.jpg)

in detail

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1394/5179236820_d934b1218d_b_d.jpg)

here are the tools i'm going to use to make the necessary cuts

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1293/5179236694_4243c3baa4_b_d.jpg)

operation successful!!!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/5178632811_620c37b656_b_d.jpg)

fixing the artwork in the correct position

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4148/5179236366_03a3c2eb56_z_d.jpg) (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/5178633343_b29d00f165_z_d.jpg)

the artwork was a pain in the a** to apply because of the missing inner piece and the stretchy nature of the material. here's a picture of it after the application to the plexi. while it looks nice on the picture, it doesn't look that great in reality, because there really are some obvious air bubbles and sharp bends. perhaps i should have cut the inner white part AFTER attaching it to the plexi ???

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1423/5179237006_8b3d314d1e_b_d.jpg)

however, one other thing bothers me (which i didn't realize before). have a look at an original bezel - can you spot the difference? :arrow:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1025/5178633423_b3eaa15db4_b_d.jpg)

apart from the fact that the instruction card at the bottom is an extra piece attached from behind, have a look at the top of the bezel where the "tarzans and the masks" are. have you noticed the cutout? this is not present on the reproduction and extremely difficult (if not impossible) to duplicate. i might give it another try with a second printout, but i want to replace the repro bezel with an original eventually!

i'm turning my attention to something else: the stencil problem i described above! in order to do some more tests, i got myself a piece of mdf wood (which is close to the original material) and painted it with the individual base colors!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1401/5179234760_5b299bc858_b_d.jpg)

spare stencils applied

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5179234614_e500b7097a_b_d.jpg)

after painting a couple of layers (sorry, no picture!) and giving the paint some time to dry, i'm slowly removing the stencils

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1423/5179234482_e4500fb21e_b_d.jpg)

great results on black

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5178631289_4a4e7cc447_b_d.jpg)

no problem with the copyright stencils on light green either

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1183/5179235114_56be9c3d50_b_d.jpg)

however, when i'm pulling off the bigger stencil, almost the entire light green layer comes off with it :(

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1042/5178631489_5df9cf880d_b_d.jpg)

the mess in detail

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5178631023_6f7fdc74bb_b_d.jpg)

"why does the copyright message work and the rest doesn't?", you might be thinking. i have the answer for you 8)! i didn't give the light green paint enough time to dry completey before the first stencil job, i only waited for two days before applying the stencils. i received the copyright message stencils much later and therefore the light green layer had much more time to dry (i'd say five days). for that reason, the base layer wasn't dry yet when i put the first stencils on, but it was completely dry for the copyright message stencils. make sense?

one thing i need to change however is the thickness of the dark green paint: i put too much on the stencils which made the edges almost disappear. the individual layers have to be thinner! for that, i'm doing another test run, i want this to be perfect ;)

last thing for now: the jungle hunt control panel

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/5178629989_b283a2f075_b_d.jpg)

while i think that the jungle king artwork totally rockzzz, the jungle hunt artwork on the other hand totally suckzzz - so it has to go!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/5178629433_858e1df4b0_b_d.jpg)

the panel after a rough removal of the overlay - still a lot of glue on it >:(

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1004/5179234182_2a76f7646f_b_d.jpg)

after tons of paint thinner and a gigantonormous headache following the use of that stuff, the control panel is ready for the roadtrip to the powdercoater!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5179233800_c455afb2b9_b_d.jpg)

the hunt is over, bring on the king!!! :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5179233652_5314d1150c_b_d.jpg)

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on November 15, 2010, 07:42:16 PM
I love to follow this 'story'  :) Very instructive... thanks for all these details  :-* I've no doubt about the happy end!  ;)

 :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on November 15, 2010, 10:02:09 PM
Great work ully !

now i understand why you ak about the cutting of plexi, but this is even better factory cut !


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on November 15, 2010, 10:11:39 PM
Why didn't you use my Control Panel Cooking (TM) method ? Saves a lot of time. And headache.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on November 15, 2010, 10:35:27 PM
Nice to see you working on that cab! ;)
That bezel is  really a pain in the ass, I saw one for sale at Querterarcade, but I guess that's the same you spotted. ::)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: jcp on November 15, 2010, 10:57:53 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/5178629989_b283a2f075_b_d.jpg)
Another Taito part in a good shape removed :-\.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on November 16, 2010, 06:55:13 AM
Why didn't you use my Control Panel Cooking (TM) method ? Saves a lot of time. And headache.

simple answer: because i totally forgot about it :-[ but with that experience in my (aching) head, i won't forget it the next time and give it a try!!!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on November 16, 2010, 07:59:43 AM
Another Taito part in a good shape removed :-\.

i know, but seriously, who wants to have hunt, when king is basically the same game (with a much cooler character) with thrilling artwork and reproductions available?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on November 16, 2010, 11:46:07 AM
I agree with Ully on this. The game was developed and meant to be Jungle King. Only because the copyright holders of Tarzan started a copyright lawsuite, Taito changed it to Jungle Hunt.

So, Jungle King is more " original" in this case.

Besides, the CPO _was_ damaged.

And indeed, the King artwork is much much nicer (in fact that Hunt CPO can't be called artwork at all.... :D)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on November 16, 2010, 01:36:06 PM
I agree with Ully on this.

YESSSS!!! Finally ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: jcp on November 16, 2010, 01:51:24 PM
 ;D.
Of course, the artwork of Jungle King is far better, you do the right choice for your cab Ully :wink:.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on November 28, 2010, 07:00:15 PM

the restoration continues ...

paint test número tres :ghost:

the base

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5244/5215116620_41e77fef62_b_d.jpg)

this time, i definitely gave the paint enough time to dry through completely before applying the stencils!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5215118574_df30244470_b_d.jpg)

additionally, i tried something different for one side of the stencils: a guy from the german arcade forum suggested applying a very thin coat of the base color first to "seal off" the stencils and to prevent paint runs. that's what i did!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5214523611_bfdef71ba8_b_d.jpg)

after that, i rolled on the stencil color

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4107/5215117940_90c04e6a42_b_d.jpg)

three layers of dark green later, the light green doesn't show through anymore

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/5215117656_9c56e29caf_b_d.jpg)

after a few days in a warm room, i'm carefully removing the stencils. it starts promising: the base color isn't lifted off at all  (which means i was right with my assumption that i didn't give the paint enough time to dry completely the last time) :)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/5214525105_2df77e0b4d_b_d.jpg)

no problem at all so far!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5215118162_2ab3953ae7_b_d.jpg)

and here's the final result for the side with the base coat: one word: PERFECT!!! :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5082/5214523819_4e19040537_b_d.jpg)

now to the other side (pictured on the left). remember: i didn't apply a base coat here - and while it looks nice at first glance as well ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/5214523105_d6b66a9709_b_d.jpg)

... there are definitely some paint runs clearly visible! :(

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5004/5214524027_13b869e5af_b_d.jpg)

the bottom line after three rounds of testing: i will be painting a very thin coat of the light green base color before applying the dark green layers! i'm really glad i did those tests :-*

watch this space for the paint job to begin shortly!!!

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on November 28, 2010, 09:42:01 PM
great to see you found the correct method !

cant wait for the result !

Gooed luck ully !


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on November 28, 2010, 09:52:04 PM
But, how can you do this if you have really contrasting colors ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on November 29, 2010, 06:10:31 AM
i think the theory is like this;

the paint "crawls" just under the masked part, so if you apply first the same color as the masked part, this will "seal" the gap between the maskingtape and the masked part

this creates tiny runners, wich is no problem because its the same color, and as we can see in many pictures, its not thick.

then after drying, apply the contrasting color wich will not crawl under since the first coat has sealed the line of the masking tape.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on November 29, 2010, 07:12:19 AM
exactly! and the first coat with the base color can be extremely thin, it just needs to seal of the parts where the stencils don't stick to the wood 100% - worked perfectly for me as you can see!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on December 17, 2010, 07:55:26 PM

the restoration continues ...

after a lot of testing and waiting, the time has finally come for the real deal: stencilling  :spaceace:

but let's start with something different first, a short explanation of what's about to come (amongst others): there are two taito-style cabinets out there with different artwork on the sides :arrow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5286/5269309966_b0fa784d2b_b_d.jpg)

on the front, the cabinet looks like this :arrow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5129/5269310106_86557129f3_b_d.jpg)

if you look closely you'll realize that those cabs have only one speaker cut-out but a nice little taito logo on the speaker board

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5205/5269309778_740aff5359_b_d.jpg)

the second taito cab version (like jungle king) has two speaker cut-outs but the taito logo is missing for whatever reason - the speaker board is simply black. i've always thought that there is something missing on those cabs, that's why i scanned / vectored the logo and asked brian from gamestencils.com to cut those stencils for me (thx brian :-*)!

here's the uncut logo stencil on the black jungle king speaker board

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5250/5268695947_0809873aa9_b_d.jpg)

during application

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5126/5268695829_f0802039e8_b_d.jpg)

removing the premask

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5082/5268694535_d8c9e09f10_b_d.jpg)

masking off the rest of the speaker board

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5010/5268692663_b76ed63cfd_b_d.jpg)

maximum protection all the way

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5082/5268693663_43d31bfb27_b_d.jpg)

and then - like i did during the tests before - i'm spraying a light coat of black to seal off the stencil's edges

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5284/5268695473_12b1472d41_b_d.jpg)

i'm doing the same type of work for the front

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5003/5269306514_123b335b43_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5128/5268693987_8460c0b987_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5044/5268693265_b2efc50818_b_d.jpg)

it's time to move on to the sides: i've had the sideart stencils simply lying on the sides to flatten out for quite a while - now they are ready to be applied!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5167/5268690949_5007a6a9bc_b_d.jpg)

starting at the very bottom ...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5205/5268690745_534850fab4_b_d.jpg)

... i'm slowly moving upwards ...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5269303436_a32dae932f_b_d.jpg)

... until i've reached the top!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5003/5268691465_c320c25ea4_b_d.jpg)

let's remove the premask

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5128/5269303824_a33c1b2b28_b_d.jpg)

here we are - looking very taito-ish already :)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5169/5268691927_dc80ba5daa_b_d.jpg)

masking off the sides of the sides ;)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5044/5269304520_0cf4cd4f55_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5244/5268696325_958d0c7e24_b_d.jpg)

bring on the paint to seal off the stencils

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5003/5269307994_9514f6ffb9_b_d.jpg)

a very thin layer of light green applied

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5269306684_2578865d58_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5268694159_af542b338b_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5045/5268695723_495451146e_b_d.jpg)

after giving the paint enough time to dry, i'm doing some smooth sanding before moving on to the dark green color

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5268694377_7c6715fb71_b_d.jpg)

my weapon of choice :twisted:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5269309634_a34d46522b_b_d.jpg)

bring on the next color: dark green!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5122/5269308764_5ab357349b_b_d.jpg)

rolling on a thin first layer

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5122/5269308290_5a83311997_b_d.jpg)

layer one done!!!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5166/5268696789_c7903a68fe_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5009/5269308994_3d0aa0ea74_b_d.jpg)

the same job for the front ...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5243/5268697731_7b0e96439d_b_d.jpg)

... and the speaker board! looking good so far :-*

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5268691271_f1a00f734b_b_d.jpg)

to be continued ...



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on December 17, 2010, 08:28:23 PM
Great that the theory works !

looking good already!  cant wait to see it finished  :spaceace:

By the way, this is one of those theories / tips that are so usefull, maybe its a good idea to create a Wiki on this forum bruno ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on December 18, 2010, 08:28:06 AM
Great that the theory works !

let's H-O-P-E that it works on the "real deal" as well - fingers crossed!!!

By the way, this is one of those theories / tips that are so usefull, maybe its a good idea to create a Wiki on this forum bruno ?

nice idea, etienne, there are so many useful tips / tools in the various restorations, it's difficult to keep track of things!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: gyruss on December 18, 2010, 10:44:07 AM
Can't wait to see the outcome. I love the chape of those taito cabs and the green color looks totally Fresh!

And as always impressive work!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 08, 2011, 05:17:19 PM
sometimes this hobby really sucks!!! it's not time for disaster girl yet, but once again i'm experiencing unexpected problems when doping a paint job - i'm probably simply not made for that type of work. let me explain:

over the last couple of weeks i've painted dark green stencil layers for the side and front art. immediately after the first layer i realized there were a lot of fine hairs and dust in the paint, but i thought "don't worry, the next layer is going to get better". i also thought that those "little troublemakers" might have come from the roller i've been using. i waited for the paint to dry thorugh completely, lightly sanded the first coat, tried a different roller - but got the same "hairy" results. another drying / sanding job later i once again tried a different roller - and once again the same depressing results. in fact, it looks as if the hair problem gets worse with every layer applied. so once again i sanded it down.

today i thought "what the f***", took out my old spray gun and did a test run on a spare piece of wood. it looked a little bit better, but still far from perfect!

the problem is (besides the fact that i've run out of paint and "my color guy" is out of business) that i can only apply one more layer of paint (three would have already been good enough, but i couldn't end with that hairy layer). that final layer has to be as perfect as possible!

to be honest, i have no idea what i'm doing wrong: i'm using the same type of paint (different color though), i've tried various roller and i'm doing the job in the same room where i painted all the other stuff WITHOUT those problems at all! i'm so worried that i'll have to post a picture of disaster girl because
(a) i won't be able to get a smooth, hairless finish
(b) the layers are already too thick to get the stencils off nicely

I HATE PAINT JOBS

any input?

@stencilmaster scr33n: have you experienced something similar before?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 08, 2011, 05:50:35 PM
thats a bummer  >:(

different rollers and still hairs? must be from the cats  ;)

ok seriousely, i can imagine that with velvet rollers, but i thought you used the sponge types
how can a sponge let hairs behind  ???
sorry dude , cant help you there i think  :-\

maybe your paint guy added hair as a special ingredient  :roll:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: scr33n on January 08, 2011, 06:11:54 PM
@stencilmaster scr33n: have you experienced something similar before?

No Ully never ... sometimes a little orangepeel effect.

What kind of roller do you use? Sponge I think, right?

re-check this page :arrow:

http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1795.105

(I don't like the orange roller on your pic :roll: - hairs problems on my old tests  :evil: and hey 2€ for piece  :-X)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 08, 2011, 06:41:01 PM
What kind of roller do you use? Sponge I think, right?
(I don't like the orange roller on your pic :roll: - hairs problems on my old tests  :evil: and hey 2€ for piece  :-X)

i've tried it with different versions. the orange ones (more like 5 euros a piece by the way) definitely create the smoothes surfaces, but are difficult to handle. with the sponge rollers, i always get an extreme orange peel effect. don't know what i'm doing wrong, your using "the cheapest rollers" (scr33n quote) and get fabulous results. could you elaborate a little bit further on your technique? btw, i'm not using water-based paint this time!

and as i've said before: i'm doing this job in the same room where i've painted the light green without any problems (and no cats inside there). i'll probably get the cheapest roller available and do some more tests, perhaps there's something wrong with the paint. i'll have to find a new shop to get new paint nevertheless, but once again this postpones the restoration even further.

let's hope all the efforts weren't for nothing!!!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 08, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
....but once again this postpones the restoration even further.

No problem sir !, its good actualy, it gives me more time to vectorise your bezel  ;D

ok no more joking, its a setback, but im sure you will figure it out

maybe you are applying the paint too thin wich in return "sticks" to the roller instead of flowing together after rolling ?
im not an expert, just a thought..
or too much pressure on the roller ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 08, 2011, 07:52:53 PM
maybe you are applying the paint too thin wich in return "sticks" to the roller instead of flowing together after rolling ?
or too much pressure on the roller ?

don't know, i'm no expert either ;) i'll have to do some more experimenting when i have my new paint, with each layer and roller i hoped it was going to work this time ...

perhaps scr33n could film a short demonstration video the next time! :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 15, 2011, 04:16:15 PM

the restoration continues ...

because i haven't figured out the paint problem yet (although i've received some got input from max which i'll put to the test later), i'm concentrating on something else: the control panel!

just a couple of days ago, i got it back from the powdercoater - he had done it for free this time as a late christmas present :-*

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5243/5357269818_64a21ee115_b_d.jpg)

time for that wonderful repro control panel overlay to enter the stage!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5088/5357268254_f45643a133_b_d.jpg)

i'm using a combination of old buttons and the patented scr33n method™ this time to hold the overlay in place

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5288/5357269706_87e3086220_b_d.jpg)

and after the usual cursing and sweating, the overlay is firmly attached to the control panel :)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5356654965_de4d06064d_b_d.jpg)

before continuing, i had to fix two joystick components first! the rubber centering grommets on those taito joysticks is often worn after years of use and mine was no different: the rubber had cracked open in various places :(

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5128/5357269088_4aac3b4836_b_d.jpg)

i had some problems finding replacements, but eventually a small package from the usa arrived

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5286/5357288300_1804592eec_b_d.jpg)

in it, replacement rubber grommets for taito games - i ordered two just in case i discover the same problem on another taito cabinet!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5049/5357269378_71ebc20c9f_b_d.jpg)

the other component to fix was the joystick itself, because it was full of rust :o

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5241/5356653949_1f5b8db83f_b_d.jpg)

well, it isn't anymore :-*

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5356654655_197fced00d_b_d.jpg)

with those problems solved, i was able to continue with the panel. i decided to use some artistic freedom on it regarding the choice of button and screw colors. here's how an original jungle king control panel looks like :arrow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5122/5357270662_d7932c38e2_b_d.jpg)

i exchanged the white jump / knife buttons for red ones in order to fit the joystick and to set them apart from the player select buttons. as for the screws, i replaced the rusted old ones with shiny new ones, but the silver color scheme didn't match the control panel colors at all. so i checked whether the sideart colors light and dark green would match the control panel overlay. not a perfect match, but fair enough (you can only see the dark green vs. the cpo in the following picture though)!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5244/5356654135_a4353c30e3_b_d.jpg)

i also prepared some screws in red for the joystick area and after giving them a lot of time to dry, the whole batch was ready!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5356655397_ba00fcf670_b_d.jpg)

originally, this was the control panel on the cabinet - shinobi! :(

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5044/5356653199_4e93cf0b50_b_d.jpg)

i exchanged it for this one - jungle hunt! :-\

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5356653343_85cab2c77a_b_d.jpg)

and this is where we are now - jungle king! :-*

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5127/5356656051_87ec39808d_b_d.jpg)

the panel has gone from this ...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5357268074_3f08181371_b_d.jpg)

... to that! like night and day 8)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5084/5356655873_b8aff01878_b_d.jpg)

i love how the screws blend in with the artwork

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5167/5356655675_dcb108765d_b_d.jpg)

in a hopefully not too distant future, i'm going to press either of these buttons to finally play the game :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5207/5356654327_1574a795e7_b_d.jpg)

to be continued ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on January 15, 2011, 05:11:35 PM
Great job as always, I like those intensive colour combinations. 8)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: scr33n on January 15, 2011, 05:15:57 PM
Woooowww !!!  :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

Fantastic control panel resto .... so stylish  :-* :-* :-* Love it!!!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 15, 2011, 06:13:27 PM
Great work Ully !  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Brry71 on January 15, 2011, 10:04:46 PM
Damn, that looks pretty sweet. Love it how it blends with the panel. As usual.... a very good job!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on July 05, 2011, 07:49:51 PM

the restoration continues ...

inspired by scr33n's fabulous defender stencil job, i decided it was time to finish my jungle king paint job as well! as you might (not) remember, i was having trouble applying the paint without getting tons of hairs / dust onto the paint layer. while the final outcome is not perfect, i'm extremely happy with how it turned out, but before showing you the money shots, here's what went down :arrow:

after each layer had dried, i sanded lightly in between coats

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6056/5905736334_cb7803b529_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5278/5905738720_b1747170af_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6038/5905179017_e04d3f0a72_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6009/5905178265_dbeaf5d6e3_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6043/5905177803_91c1229015_b_d.jpg)

paint layer number three done

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6040/5905177387_fe5bdd8f96_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6003/5905178561_374957c715_b_d.jpg)

before rolling on the final layer of dark green paint, i added a new paint conditioner to the paint. i had read about it on the internet and it is supposed to even out the color, to create a flat surface and to prevent the orange peel effect. if i had known how fabulous that stuff was going to work, i would already have added it to the very first layer!

reminder to myself: paint conditioner all the way!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5074/5905181521_b9a490a378_b_d.jpg)

with the conditioner thrown into the mix, it was time for the final layer (part of the protection already removed on the following picture)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/5905179303_63efc69350_b_d.jpg)

let's find out if the stencil job on the speaker board was a success :-\

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6004/5905737506_37dc3c1116_b_d.jpg)

looking very good

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5038/5905180659_9cfb6d0eda_b_d.jpg)

yes! :spaceace:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6025/5905746356_b9fe704d28_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5905180395_6300cfd042_b_d.jpg)

let's turn our attention to the front panel :arrow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5319/5905180017_2c9fd11a44_b_d.jpg)

smooth finish

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6034/5905741698_99584cc5e6_b_d.jpg)

yes!!  :spaceace: :spaceace:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5320/5905746816_4616eb2c26_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5079/5905747352_8390b252bc_b_d.jpg)

fingers crossed for the most difficult (and most important) pieces: the sides :ghost:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5116/5905741194_f02dd4ecff_b_d.jpg)

carefully removing the protective stripes

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/5905184257_b2537fcc94_b_d.jpg)

successful operation - but this was the easy part!

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6039/5905183629_76a961c9e3_b_d.jpg)

now on to the stencils! those first few seconds when you start pulling the stencils off are the most intense, because they already tell you whether this is going to work or not ...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5156/5905744910_f8b85f80cf_b_d.jpg)

as always, i'm being "helped" by my cat gnocchi

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6054/5905743420_c204115df7_b_d.jpg)

i have a feeling this is going to be a winner! :)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5119/5905182611_32af4d7aff_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6049/5905742850_df15a82405_b_d.jpg)

im approaching one of two critical areas: the copyright message

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6059/5905182837_bf95debb7a_b_d.jpg)

much easier that i had expected: no paint lifts at all!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5195/5905741436_c1926d82d1_b_d.jpg)

YES!!! :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5280/5905185375_00d37e2cee_b_d.jpg)

re-usable stencils? ;)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6035/5905743030_793aa3cf60_b_d.jpg)

one final thing to be revealed: the large taito logo at the top

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6049/5905184487_855d190d6b_b_d.jpg)

letters being unveiled!

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6052/5905185685_e287dd855e_b_d.jpg)

i can see an A 8)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6099/5905740488_a0dc881a8a_b_d.jpg)

and the copyright symbol

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6007/5905187231_9d36312668_b_d.jpg)

YES!!! :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5236/5905183037_b2eac78279_b_d.jpg)

what once was a set of stencils is now a pile of jumble!

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6051/5905187695_7ce6d49029_b_d.jpg)

and what once was an overpainted former jungle king cabinet (with one side already sanded down on the following picture) ...

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6013/5905191085_a63f124852_b_d.jpg)

... is now a freshly-painted shiny piece of art! :-*

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6019/5905188093_885542684c_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6051/5905189157_28b429c961_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5155/5905742616_0c2f1deed4_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6046/5905745954_a358439825_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5080/5905745238_9f87830d3b_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5315/5905190485_fa6ae6b427_b_d.jpg)

man, this paint job took (almost) forever, but now i can finally start re-assembling the cabinet!!! :)

btw, I still have some hairs / dust in the paint, but it's much better than on the trials before. i guess lifting the individual pieces further up from the ground, waiting a while after entering the room (for the particles to settle down) and then wiping the sides with a damp piece of cloth did the trick. for future paint jobs (probably distant future) i'm planning on switching to more professional painting equipment plus i've been thinking about building a small paint booth with a dust extraction system! :D

to be continued ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: jcp on July 05, 2011, 10:18:03 PM
That's perfect Ully  :-*.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 05, 2011, 10:23:50 PM
Looking Good !  :spaceace:
 
(not to self:  find time to finish the bezel vector... ) ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on July 05, 2011, 10:24:37 PM
What can I say, beautiful job from a nice base. ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: scr33n on July 05, 2011, 10:43:36 PM
Hey Ully ... sorry, but where are the paint problems  ???

awesome result !!! Congratulations  :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: gyruss on July 06, 2011, 10:37:28 AM
Stunning! Love the color!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: ckong on July 06, 2011, 01:07:23 PM
Very nice job done, congrats. Never heard of paint conditioner, seems to be a nice product.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: atarimania on July 06, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
Very impressive job  8) 8) 8) 8)

Colors are beautiful.

Congrats!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Q*ris on July 06, 2011, 02:17:45 PM
Hail to the jungle paint roller king!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on July 06, 2011, 05:32:53 PM
Looks great, well done Ully  :)

But are you confident about the paint layers? I mean, following that picture for instance  :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6052/5905185685_e287dd855e_b_d.jpg)

...what if you touch with your fingers the 'dark green' layer under the "T", does it will peel off easily or does it look "strong" enough to resist?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on July 06, 2011, 05:52:52 PM
thx a lot for all the nice comments, guys, i love the outcome as well and the combination of those two colors really kicks ass! :-*

Hey Ully ... sorry, but where are the paint problems  ???

i did a looot of testing in between on spare pieces of wood with spare stencils i had lying around - that's why putting on the final layer took that long. as you can see on some of the pictures, there is still some "stuff" at various places in the paint, but i can live with that. perhaps i should take out the vacuum cleaner more often :P

one of the reasons why i would love to have a professional setup! after all, this is not going tobe my last paint job ...

But are you confident about the paint layers? ...what if you touch with your fingers the 'dark green' layer under the "T", does it will peel off easily or does it look "strong" enough to resist?

very confident indeed! the layers are thick, the paint is not cheap home depot stuff, but durable professional paint, so no chance in hell this would simply peel of by touching it. nevertheless, once the cabinet has been re-assembled i'm planinng on shooting everything with one final layer of clear to give it some kind of protection. the difficult thing will be getting the cabinet back together without scratching the art, i'm somewat scared of that job!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on July 17, 2011, 09:12:45 AM

the restoration continues ... with the base

when i got the game, the base looked horrible and was falling apart from moving the cabinet around without leg levelers

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6142/5945115007_fe22a1dfd4_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6002/5945114805_d3e8f4bb3f_b_d.jpg)

i fixed the damages to the main wooden board and replaced the rest with new parts. i also created a set of leg levelers to prevent any further movement damage in the future!

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6002/5945113427_87f6ab7ace_b_d.jpg)

putting the puzzle pieces together

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6030/5945672708_6ecdce0d30_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/5945113883_a9c4e8bd7b_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6025/5945671818_7b824ddb44_b_d.jpg)

more stability by using freshly-painted l-brackets

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/5945114077_d9393e5f78_b_d.jpg)

let's glue those two final pieces together

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6121/5945672488_6293818068_b_d.jpg)

wheels reinstalled

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6135/5945673230_1581c5207d_b_d.jpg)

base re-construction :arrow: done!!! :)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/5945674000_0d3c7645df_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5945673668_7be33c87f3_b_d.jpg)

thx a lot for that comfortable new resting place :-*

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/5945673440_c61d54d1a2_b_d.jpg)

up next: re-assembly of the cabinet :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

to be continued ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 17, 2011, 09:44:27 AM
Looking very profi Ully !

Like we are get used by now from you  ;D

This cab deserves the Ully treatment !  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Muerto on July 17, 2011, 02:07:53 PM
looking excellent ully, where are you cutting all the pieces? at school or home or..??


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on July 17, 2011, 02:35:20 PM
looking excellent ully, where are you cutting all the pieces? at school or home or..??

all of the above PLUS at the home depot :)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Muerto on July 17, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
looking excellent ully, where are you cutting all the pieces? at school or home or..??

all of the above PLUS at the home depot :)

like in: (http://thegogreenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/homedepot.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on July 17, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
like in: (http://thegogreenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/homedepot.jpg)

more like in this :arrow:

(http://www.nov-ost.info/gallery/dienstl/dl-obi-biber-obi.jpg)

:D :D :D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Alpha1 on August 01, 2011, 12:09:34 PM
Guess who found the pcb  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 01, 2011, 12:23:22 PM
Guess who found the pcb  :spaceace:

eh ... etienne? :P

how cool is that! is it jungle KING or jungle HUNT? does your offer to have it still stand? if YES, easiest thing to do would be to drop it off at rav's place for a personal pickup - thx man!!! :-*


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 01, 2011, 01:56:06 PM
Guess who found the pcb  :spaceace:

eh ... etienne? :P

how cool is that! is it jungle KING or jungle HUNT? does your offer to have it still stand? if YES, easiest thing to do would be to drop it off at rav's place for a personal pickup - thx man!!! :-*
nope, i did not search  ;)

I do have something to finish for that cab as far as i remember....  :wink:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 01, 2011, 03:37:29 PM
I do have something to finish for that cab as far as i remember....  :wink:

yepp, but you probably won't finish it before i give you the missing measures of the other stuff ... :-[


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Alpha1 on August 02, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
When are you going to Ravs?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 09, 2011, 08:37:49 PM

all the parts are ready - let's reassemble the cabinet 8)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6080/6025855537_b3e2e608c9_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6077/6025853943_31d95f933a_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6025857001_f2c99c1b08_b_d.jpg)

after putting all the parts together, i'm using the patented "superully's power pressing method" to keep the cabinet in shape! ;D

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6088/6025855121_8120783187_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6183/6025854291_55d5452bc1_b_d.jpg)

one day later, i'm removing the weight to find something extremely beautiful underneath :-*

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/6025856501_2fe0c475a4_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6025855979_6c3536ec6b_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/6026409906_a99ed0ca73_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6203/6026411284_8ef80c7a49_b_d.jpg)

looks like a taito jungle cabinet to me, doesn't it? :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Robinholland on August 09, 2011, 09:30:37 PM
what a beauty :P


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on August 09, 2011, 09:54:12 PM
Lol, your power pressing method with that fire estinguisher and monitor rocks. ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Muerto on August 09, 2011, 10:12:01 PM
haha! love the power pressure stuff!!!!
And what a beautiful cab!!! hubba hubba!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 09, 2011, 10:17:05 PM
like your pressure method  ;D

this is very beautifull ully ! , what a difference !

soon the before and after shots ! cant wait !


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: atarikid on August 10, 2011, 01:00:19 PM
Honestly, I think this is the best restoration I ever saw. Beating DarthNunos restorations.  :wink:
Wonderfull cab (and colors).


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 21, 2011, 10:17:05 AM

started working on the wiring by checking the voltages going to the board and the monitor. unfortunately, i forgot that the wiring harness i'm using is NOT from the original cab, but from the usa - which means american voltages :-[.

here's the line filter assembly just behind the power cord :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6064215197_22b0c42353_b_d.jpg)

because of my forgetfulness, i didn't use a step-down converter and when i plugged in the power plug, i heard a very loud bang and smoke was coming out of the line filter assembly: the metal oxide varistor (MOV) was blown! >:( :'(

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6198/6064763386_8a0b6d462f_b_d.jpg)

the MOV is labeled as V150LA10A :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6090/6064214863_f126ae930c_b_d.jpg)

i checked the schematics and found the following :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6064763082_63cdb9af91_b_d.jpg)

obviously the V150LA10A varistor is used for a 120V line, but you can also use a varistor labeled V275LA15A for a 240V line!

questions:
- can i simply replace the blown varistor with the V275LA15A variant and then use the wiring harness without a 240V > 120V stepdown converter?
- i need to order replacements and of course rs online comes to my mind (free shipping). however, they do not carry the exact model so i was wondering whether any of these (http://de.rs-online.com/web/c/passive-bauelemente/widerstaende/varistoren/?searchTerm=v275) would work (differents amps and stuff). i have no experience with varistors, therefore i'd better ask ...
- is it possible that the line filter was blown as well or is the varistor there to protect it?

looking forward to your input, guys!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 21, 2011, 01:36:30 PM
don't you just love the smell of exploded burned out electronics  ;D

back to the question..
on the line filter it says 115 - 250 v  so no problems there ,
as for the varistor, i dont know, but i guess your fine with those from RS, the values are higher, so they can withstand higher voltages and amps.

let the experts here speak about the varistor, then i can learn also something  ;D

EDIT:
Maybe this helps also a bit ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varistor

i have these here :

(http://www.createch.com.tw/images/chassis-acc/ac-connector-1.jpg)

that is in fact the same, only for build in and use with a separate powercord
I can bring one for you to eurocade..
oh no wait, yuo want this to be as original as possible  :D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 21, 2011, 03:00:56 PM
what is that, etienne?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: leonk on August 21, 2011, 03:55:44 PM
That is a standard line filter that is found in most PC power supplies.  You can gut an old PC power supply to get at it if you want to save some $$$.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 21, 2011, 04:18:10 PM
Exactly !

and we all know who always has salvaged PC parts  ;D

Here a comparation for your convenience  ;)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/emi.jpg)

its basicly the same as your "old" setup, only in a more modern housing.

Looking again at the big pic, it looks like i can open it....
hmmm  i wanna know whats inside  ;D

I'll be back later  ::)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 21, 2011, 07:39:56 PM

while waiting on more replies to my varistor problem, i continued reassembling the cabinet. apart from glue, the individual pieces of wood are being held together by L-brackets and screws. in order for the screws to blend in with the art, i need to paint them in different colors, but first i have to make an inventory of what i need :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6065716729_7d58b57b5b_b_d.jpg)

dip, dip, dip

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6067/6066262526_73f33bb005_b_d.jpg)

after a while, my collection of green screws has grown quite a bit. for the photo, i thought i could add a nice background to make you guys happy (in fact, this wonderful teletubbies picture is a "present" for some friends of mine. we like playing practical jokes on each other and one of those jokes involves bringing stupid ugly items to the others apartment and hiding them there for later discovery :P)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6069/6065718475_5bb3a4414f_b_d.jpg)

a whole army of screws ready to attack the jungle king :spaceace:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6208/6065717571_422ac483e8_b_d.jpg)

and in they go ...

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6190/6065715559_9b6efcdb08_b_d.jpg)

i could have painted the screws individually where the light and the dark green overlap, but i decided against doing so. what i did was the following: when the required screw was "more on the light side", i painted it light green, when it had a tendency to the dark side (:twisted:) then dark green was the color of choice!

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6083/6065715223_9d9243c8b2_b_d.jpg)

doesn't it look brilliant? :-*

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6199/6065716253_488023dbb0_b_d.jpg)

up next, i attached the coin box to the cabinet, ...

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6067/6066261246_4b2d11315b_b_d.jpg)

... followed by the coin door itself!

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6066263182_861bd80395_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 21, 2011, 08:22:21 PM
totally awsome !  :spaceace:

those bolts blend in very well, good decision Ully !  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: jcp on August 21, 2011, 08:57:39 PM
It looks like green smarties  ;D !
Besides that, it's awesome as usual Ully   :-*.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on August 21, 2011, 09:31:27 PM
Like a forest from screws, totally love it. ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: scr33n on August 21, 2011, 10:16:24 PM
 :o :o :o  :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:  :-* :-* :-*


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on August 21, 2011, 10:44:42 PM
Quote
- can i simply replace the blown varistor with the V275LA15A variant and then use the wiring harness without a 240V > 120V stepdown converter?

Did you rewire the transformer for 230v ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 21, 2011, 11:01:08 PM
Did you rewire the transformer for 230v ?

don't even know if there is a transformer, because the harness has been modified for a switcher if i remember correctly. will have to check ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on August 22, 2011, 12:24:33 AM
Ok, then look at what the switcher can handle 110v or 230v or maybe a range between something like 100v and 250 v. Pics are always helpful :)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on August 22, 2011, 07:23:58 AM
Last time I did that (on my Q*Bert) :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6067/6066262526_73f33bb005_b_d.jpg)

...it was a real nightmare, the paint didn't want to totally dry: even after one week of drying time, if I pushed on the screws to hard  :arrow: fingerprints on it  :?
Maybe the paint was too thick?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 22, 2011, 09:19:00 AM
Last time I did that (on my Q*Bert) it was a real nightmare, the paint didn't want to totally dry: even after one week of drying time, if I pushed on the screws to hard  :arrow: fingerprints on it  :?
Maybe the paint was too thick?

the paint definitely was too thick! i dip it in and wait until at least three "drops of paint have fallen back into the can" (if you know what i mean). then give the paint at least one week to dry and NEVER push on the screw, use pliers to get the screw in if it gets stuck. it takes forever for the paint to dry completely. i always paint a few screws more to have some spares later on!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 22, 2011, 09:22:13 AM
Ok, then look at what the switcher can handle 110v or 230v or maybe a range between something like 100v and 250 v. Pics are always helpful :)

i will try to figure the wiring out today and will come back with pics later!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: McVenco on August 22, 2011, 09:43:28 AM
the paint definitely was too thick! i dip it in and wait until at least three "drops of paint have fallen back into the can" (if you know what i mean). then give the paint at least one week to dry and NEVER push on the screw, use pliers to get the screw in if it gets stuck. it takes forever for the paint to dry completely. i always paint a few screws more to have some spares later on!

Do you use a waterbased paint, or a solvent based paint? The problem with solvent based paints is indeed that it dries VERY slow - and if there's a thick layer of paint it always stays a bit "elastic". Waterbased paints give a lot less problems with this...
It might be a better idea though to paint those bolts with a brush (or a spray can) rather than dip it into the paint.

But despite the paint problems I think those bolts look damn sexy  ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 22, 2011, 09:59:47 AM
Do you use a waterbased paint, or a solvent based paint? The problem with solvent based paints is indeed that it dries VERY slow - and if there's a thick layer of paint it always stays a bit "elastic". Waterbased paints give a lot less problems with this...

solvent based paint! i didn't have a choice, it was the only product available for my colors!

It might be a better idea though to paint those bolts with a brush (or a spray can) rather than dip it into the paint.

i tried it with a brush and a cotton bud, but i couldn't get the paint on as smoothly as when being dipped in. of course spray can would be the way to go, but unfortunately those colors aren't available in spray cans ...

But despite the paint problems I think those bolts look damn sexy  ;)

thx man, i totally agreed! 8)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: McVenco on August 22, 2011, 10:41:56 AM
of course spray can would be the way to go, but unfortunately those colors aren't available in spray cans ...

I used to work at a professional paint shop, and we had empty spray cans which we could fill with about any type of paint. I think that a lot of decent paintshops (not Hornbach or a general home deco shop) will be able to make this as well (or order it at their supplier)....


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 22, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
I think that once the bolts are in and tightent from the inside there is no reason to touch the bolts for the next 20 - 30 years so i guess its dry by then  ;D

they look superb to me !  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: atarikid on August 22, 2011, 12:43:44 PM
Insane stuff !! :o


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 22, 2011, 08:15:53 PM

ok, time to work on the wiring problem! i hope to solve it with the help of you guys ... :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

be warned, this is going to be a long posting with a lot of pictures and if you really want to help me, you'd better grab something to drink first and take your time going through it ... ;)

as i've stated before, i have a wiring harness which has been modified to be used with a switching power supply. i don't have any part of the original power supply at all, but in order to show you the differences / hacks i'm going to include pictures of the original wiring.

let's start with a general overview of a jungle king cabinet:
on the left you can see the pcb on top of which sits the filter board (can anyone tell me what the function of it is? and don't just tell me "it filters something out" please :P). inside, at the bottom of the cabinet, you can see the original power supply and on the cabinet's left side hangs a strange black "box" of which i have no idea at all what it is (a data recorder like the ones used on airplanes perhaps)? :D

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6087/6070228110_3bdd4349d5_b_d.jpg)

and here's the original power supply (note that i had to stitch two pictures together to show you the entire thing. not perfect, but it'll do)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6072/6069681829_1d76f32e0f_b_d.jpg)

i don't have that original power supply, my harness came with a switcher - and as you can see it is a 120v version

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6069/6070234984_17b2f0097e_b_d.jpg)

i openend it up, but there's no jumper / connector to change it to 240v (which doesn't mean i couldn't simply replace it by a 240v version)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6070229590_e7b4e9734d_b_d.jpg)

let's start at the very beginning, the point where the power "enters" the cabinet through the line filter (where i blew the varistor). note the black / white / green wires on the right

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6208/6070227876_7e19db1002_b_d.jpg)

normally, those wires eventually go into the power supply (see original setup where i marked the appropriate connector)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6090/6069732929_a7aa041bd3_b_d.jpg)

alright, i'm missing power so far, let's go through all the wires / connectors of the harness(es) i have, starting with the one with two interlock switches and the on / off switch

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6194/6070232932_9ff607cf1d_b_d.jpg)

as you can see, someone has spliced in a brown wire with two connectors which have to be attached to the switching power supply, but where? 120v?

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6069/6069685087_3764d616df_b_d.jpg)

normally, without the spliced in brown wire, those two bigger white connectors go into the original power supply (you can see the on / off switch in the background)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6070236676_eaa8c60a88_b_d.jpg)

up next, a part of the harness which causes no problems (yeah!!!), but i wanted to show it to you anway

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6079/6070230112_41d7777ce8_b_d.jpg)

those five nicely labeled connectors slide into the lower row of the filter board

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6078/6069687559_6aa0bc4b88_b_d.jpg)

here's the original setup

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6076/6069689227_fd72d1134e_b_d.jpg)

now there are only three connectors left

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6196/6069682129_0e29d3bb1e_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6069/6070232354_38b4a97608_b_d.jpg)

the same three connectors on the original pcb (one is not visible, but i've marked the wires to illustrate where it leads)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6062/6070235950_8bd68fa56d_b_d.jpg)

now it's starting to get complicated with THIS :arrow: :o :o :o

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6199/6070234400_5da60e783f_b_d.jpg)

let's go through the wires / connectors individually, starting with two connectors labeled P4. as you can see, some of the wires have been cut and once again two new black wires have been spliced in (position 3 of the connectors). the manual says that the black wires on position 3 are GROUND, therefore the spliced in black wires will be connected to the switcher's GROUND, right? (note that i put the ground label on the wires there myself just to make sure i don't forget)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6195/6069686275_d1393fc623_b_d.jpg)

here's the original setup: the two P4 connectors connected to the original power supply

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6069689841_379ecaf33f_b_d.jpg)

up next we have something called secondary bracket in the manual. two connectors / wires are coming out of it, one labeled 120 and the other one labeled 6.3 (in the manual listed as 120vac and 6.3vac). once again, here's the original setup :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6082/6070236462_b91a4c01d8_b_d.jpg)

and here you can see those two connectors (on the right) on the harness, the black one ends in the connector on the left and this is supposed to power the monitor (with 120vac). however, i have NO IDEA where / how to connect other of those two (120 & 6.3) connectors! i really don't!!! ???

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/6070231108_f6b8988ee5_b_d.jpg)

the 6.3 line ends in a green connector which eventually power the marquee lights and the instruction lights. question: are those really powered by alternating current? here's a picture of the instruction lights harness :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6069684833_2e0469a79c_b_d.jpg)

now it gets a little bit easier (for a while): the following connectors all go to the upper part of the filter board. the wires with the grey coating at the bottom of the picture are the ones for the monitor

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6068/6069682501_2e4a175a12_b_d.jpg)

here's the other end of that grey line (labeled by moi)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6193/6070232130_ee818de4ab_b_d.jpg)

the original monitor hook-up ...

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/6069690767_34879d9baf_b_d.jpg)

... plus the original filter board connections - no problems here!

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6202/6070235726_26c81fd59d_b_d.jpg)

i'm afraid we have to look at those filter board connectors again. to be more specific, let's have a look at the two V1 connectors and especially at those red and white wires (i've circled them)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6070239044_01b08aa218_b_d.jpg)

those wires end in "switcher connectors" again and the manual states the red wires as +5V and the white wires as M RESET. m reset? what the f*** is that? never heard before! where do i connect those to a switcher?

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6193/6069687181_9816839fd5_b_d.jpg)

good news guys, we're almost done! but one mystery remains: very close to the filter board connectors there is a tiny connector with a black and a white wire

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6085/6069689015_e2005e475c_b_d.jpg)

if you follow those wires, they end with the coin door connector, therefore i'm pretty sure those wires are there to power a coin counter. the problem is: where does that rectangular connector  (the one pictured before) connect to? i couldn't find it on the internet pictures and there's no free space anywhere to connect it to! is it possible that it has to go somewhere on the main pcb because it's close to the filter board? (I don't have a board here yet, so i can't check)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6070230402_14d75643b6_b_d.jpg)

one last thing: does anyone know where the following connector has to be attached to? ;D (man, if everything was that easy)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6070233272_3a1a739320_b_d.jpg)

that's it guys, thx a lot for your patience to read all that stuff, i can't wait to read your replies and hear your input! if you need any more pictures, just say so ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on August 22, 2011, 08:35:11 PM
...you'd better grab something to drink first and take your time going through it ...

(http://www.gifflix.com/files/4326f39cc6e2.gif)

 ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 22, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
michael isn't eating his popcorn, bruno, that animated gif doesn't work for me ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 22, 2011, 08:52:49 PM
[coffee drinking mode on]

I'll answer some of the easy questions  ;D

on the left you can see the pcb on top of which sits the filter board (can anyone tell me what the function of it is?

"it filters something out"

sorry , i could not resist  ;D ;D ;D

Quote
on the cabinet's left side hangs a strange black "box" of which i have no idea at all what it is

that is a heatsink, i bet there is a power transistor on it in the original setup

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i openend it up, but there's no jumper / connector to change it to 240v (which doesn't mean i couldn't simply replace it by a 240v version)

Thats your only option, or use a stepdown transformer in front of that (which is more expensive as a 220v switcher i think)

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as you can see, someone has spliced in a brown wire with two connectors which have to be attached to the switching power supply, but where? 120v?

yep, that is where they "took" 110 volts that went to the switcher, which will be going to youre replacement 230 volt switcher.

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Let's go through the wires / connectors individually, starting with two connectors labeled P4. as you can see, some of the wires have been cut and once again two new black wires have been spliced in (position 3 of the connectors). the manual says that the black wires on position 3 are GROUND, therefore the spliced in black wires will be connected to the switcher's GROUND, right? (note that i put the ground label on the wires there myself just to make sure i don't forget)

again you are correct  ;)

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and here you can see those two connectors (on the right) on the harness, the black one ends in the connector on the left and this is supposed to power the monitor (with 120vac). however, i have NO IDEA where / how to connect other of those two (120 & 6.3) connectors! i really don't!!! ???

the 6.3 line ends in a green connector which eventually power the marquee lights and the instruction lights. question: are those really powered by alternating current? here's a picture of the instruction lights harness :arrow:

the marquee lights are normal 6.3 volt lightbulbs which will work with either DC or AC  8)
so just replace them by 12 volt lightbulbs and hook that up to the 12 volt output of the switcher.

looking again, i count 3 lights, so i guess they go to the instructioncard under the bezel..

as for the monitor, that will depend on the monitor you are going to use, some require a isolation transformer, and more important, a 220 volts or 110 volts monitor, which will require another transformer if you are going to feed the cab 220 volts...

cant help you with the rest my friend..

[coffee drinking mode off]


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 22, 2011, 09:09:24 PM
thx for your input, hope the coffee was fine ;D

my turn again  :arrow:

yep, that is where they "took" 110 volts that went to the switcher, which will be going to youre replacement 230 volt switcher

first of all, i guess i'll be using a step down converter because as far as i know the monitor is running on 120v (aren't they all?).

and then: where does the switcher itself get its power from? if i connect the brown wires to the 120v switcher connectors, it still is not connected to the wall socket itself (or am i just not getting it?)

the marquee lights are normal 6.3 volt lightbulbs which will work with either DC or AC  8)
so just replace them by 12 volt lightbulbs and hook that up to the 12 volt output of the switcher.

looking again, i count 3 lights, so i guess they go to the instructioncard under the bezel..

makes sense, but what i have to do is remove the green wires from the connector and attach them with one of those "hook connectors" to the switcher, right? the question is: why hasn't this already been done? probably the guy who had the harness ran it in combination with the original power supply and got the power for the lights from there?

as for the lights, the power goes through the marquee bulbs first, exits on the other side and then goes to the instruction card, but i left the marquee lights out in order to not make the posting more complicated :D but well-spotted!

as for the monitor, that will depend on the monitor you are going to use, some require a isolation transformer, and more important, a 220 volts or 110 volts monitor, which will require another transformer if you are going to feed the cab 220 volts...

as i've said, i will be using the monitor which was in the cab. isolation transformer? hmmm, don't have one. i'm confused  ???


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 22, 2011, 09:48:51 PM
the wirepart with the interlock swithces is connected to that "block on the original powersupply with that wall socket"

that block is powered by your mains cord that goes through the EMI filter. but since you dont have a part of the original power supply i think you need to connect the mains comming from the EMI filter to that harness straight away

do you get what i am saying ?

you can also leave all that sh#t out and connect the 110 volts directly to the swithcer since there is no old powersuppy anymore.
which also gives a nice space to mount that stepdown converter..  ;D

that also eliminates the problem with the varistor, because that modern powerswitcher can be connected straight to mains iirc.

as for the lights, i think you are right , they used a part from the old setup, i bet its connected straight to the transformer (on a connector that outputs 6,3 volts probably)
again, you dont have that part, so you need to find a way to juice up those lamps, and i would suggest to use the 12 volt line, since the board is already drawing alot of power from the 5 volt line, and in that way you dont overload the 5 volt line.

I hope i explaned clearly  :D

ps, looking again, i think that filterboard is part of the powersupply, and maybe not even nessecary if you use a swithcer, since that delivers "clean" power
but thats just a thought, somebody please confirm my theory .
all i see there is a bunch of resistors, ferrite cores, and 1 transistor (which could also be a voltage regulator like a 7805 or something)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 23, 2011, 11:11:44 AM
one more thing that i've noticed. i've seen a lot of coin counters being wired with some kind of bridge between the two wires going in. before i'm trying to explain "my a** off", let me show you two examples, one from the original shinobi setup and one from a real jungle king cab. notice that there's always that bridge on top of the connector :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6087/6072205897_8010e7f58f_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6072748100_8314b254b7_b_d.jpg)

now if those two wires "i have left" next to the coin door connector are really for the coin counter, would you wire those in as well as shown on the pictures, that is black wire on one side, white wire on the other and then such a bridge to connect both of them? what's the function of that bridge?

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6070230402_14d75643b6_b_d.jpg)



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 23, 2011, 11:33:52 AM
that bridge looks like a diode to me..

maybe you can trace the wire's back to see where they go, and i read here something about connecting it :

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=169674

dont know if that is the same case with a jungle king board ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 23, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
that bridge looks like a diode to me..

looking closer, that's indeed possible! will have to look closer when i'm going to "visit my machine" later that day. what's the function of that diode then? need or no need? can i simply steal it from the shinobi harness then?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 23, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
earlier post updated  ;D

dont know exactly how they work inside, but it could be that this counters dont have inner diodes..
which could mean that they work with AC power pulses, and that the board is giving DC pulses, or only ground pulses if its the same case as the threath that i posted before..

i think you defenetly can steal it from the shinobi harness since that worked in combi with the meters i guess..

what does the wiring scheme of jungle king say ?
(do you have a wirescheme of jungle king / taito cab) ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: italiandoh on August 23, 2011, 06:05:07 PM
what's the function of that diode then?

Protection diodes for relays (http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/diode.htm)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 24, 2011, 01:48:37 AM
you can also leave all that sh#t out and connect the 110 volts directly to the swithcer since there is no old powersuppy anymore.
which also gives a nice space to mount that stepdown converter..  ;D

that also eliminates the problem with the varistor, because that modern powerswitcher can be connected straight to mains iirc.

so basically what you're saying is the following:
- throw out the line filter thingy
- run a power line (240v) directly into the cab to a stepdown converter
- from the stepdown converter run a line (120v now) directly into the switcher
- connect those two brown wires of the interlock switch / on off harness to the AC connectors of the switchers as well (so that the on off switch / interlocks work)

what about the monitor? where does this get its power from?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 08:36:45 AM
i am edditing pictures now, so i will post that later

here some info about isolation transformers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_transformer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_transformer)

some monitors require te be connected with the use of an isolation transformer.

i dont know if that is the case with the monitor that you are going to use, and there exist also monitors that operate on 230 volts.
(the replacement monitor in Andre's joust for example, that one was possible to connect it straight to the 230 volt line without isolation transformer)

but as far as this shinobi jungle king cab it looks like they always run it on 110 volts ( using the switcher as a refference for that)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 09:14:30 AM
Okay, back to this..

First i tried to analyse the path of the power in your harness,
can you check if this is correct by following the wires ? :

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/04.jpg)

it looks like there are 2 pairs going in the harness and 2 pairs comming out.
green and red are in, and yellow and blue are out.

anyway, whatever the outcome is , that is pure for instructing you into the right way of connecting it with your wireharness.

the setup can be one of the following :

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/05.jpg)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/06.jpg)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/07.jpg)

The pictures speak for them self i think ?, or do i need to give detail explanation on every pic ?

and looking at it again, i think you dont need a isolation transformer in the case of a stepdown transformer, because that is already "isolating" everything behind it from the mains.

(if there are people that think there is something incorrect, please correct me so i learn also from this  ;D)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 24, 2011, 09:23:50 AM
The pictures speak for them self i think ?, or do i need to give detail explanation on every pic ?

first of all thanks a lot for your input,etienne, and for taking the time to draw those nice pictures :spaceace:

what is the function of an isolation transformer? simply for safety reasons?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 24, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
First i tried to analyse the path of the power in your harness,
can you check if this is correct by following the wires ? :

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/04.jpg)

it looks like there are 2 pairs going in the harness and 2 pairs comming out.
green and red are in, and yellow and blue are out.

how do i know whether something is "going in" or "coming out"?

btw, the wires you labeled with blue don't follow the black wires all the way! there are two spliced-in brown wires and they are spliced into a black and a white wire at one of those connectors. see here in detail :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6069/6069685087_3764d616df_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 10:45:50 AM
hehehe, i just tried to follow the leads, but the pic is not clear enough to folow, so i assumed the path that i drawed.

in and out did i based on the part where they tapped the brown wires from that go to the switcher (which is out)
i did add some arrows at the end of each dotted line to specify the direction.

lets do it different, you follow the wires on the harness and tell me how its connected.

you can explane it to me as follow, which maybe is easier / more clear than draw :

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/09.jpg)

Its just that i know where the wires go , so i can tell you how to wire it.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 10:48:44 AM
what is the function of an isolation transformer? simply for safety reasons?

that is the main reason i think, i don't know it exactly, but i know that there was a label on some monitors that i saw (i think at Andre's) that say "connect only with a isolation transformer"  or something in that way like "do not connect straight to mains"

Maybe there is somebody here that can teach us more ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 24, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
lets do it different, you follow the wires on the harness and tell me how its connected.

you were almost right, etienne, here's the updated version. i used different colors and some text to illustrate it a little bit more :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6189/6076413844_c72964cf97_b_d.jpg)

btw, i've just uploaded a hi-res scan of the wiring diagram to your ftp server, don't know if it helps you!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 03:16:12 PM
editting pictures again  ;)

stay tuned  8)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 03:37:47 PM
okay, its simple;

here the part of the wire-ing diagram that you need:
you see that the mains runs through the interlock switches and then to the powerswitch to end at point 1 & 2 that go to the transformer (which you dont have, so thats where the switcher will come)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/wd1.jpg)

i would say wire it like this, because you dont have the brackets:

green lines is the mains comming from your wallsocket (plug)
it goes into the connector to the on/off switch and comes back in the same connector at the other pins (C & D )
connect those to the other plug (red and blue line) (G & H )
they go through the interlock switches and come back as the other pair (which is tapped to go to the switcher)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/wd2.jpg)

you can just cut the connectors off and solder them together and isolate them with shrink tube or electrical tape or something like that.

the only difference in your cable that i can see is that they changed the sequence of the interuptors, (the tapped part that goes to the switcher comes from the interlock switches, and not like in the schematics from the powerswitch..)

is everything clear now ?

EDIT:

I almost forgot the stepdown converter...
so cut also the tapped wires off and go to the stepdown converter from there..


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 04:25:38 PM
and after checking the monitor part in the diagram, i see that it does uses a isolation transformer originally:

(which is integrated in the original transformer)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/wd3.jpg)

i dont know how it was connected before you took it apart ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 24, 2011, 05:43:47 PM
i dont know how it was connected before you took it apart ?

i'll show it to you on the following pictures (note that not all of the wires are attached anymore, they must have come loose)! it also had a switcher installed, but also two transformers (why two?). the setup looks ugly and handmade, but perhaps i could use that with slight modifications ... have a look :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6191/6076942230_a2873230ec_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/6076405869_c103a1b8ce_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6191/6076406109_9f361b3168_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6184/6076942884_b0938af3bb_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6192/6076406545_c494902123_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 24, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
........it also had a switcher installed, but also two transformers (why two?). the setup looks ugly and handmade, but perhaps i could use that with slight modifications ... have a look :arrow:

hmm, the old one looks like its connected at the 220 volt, and the 6.3 connector connected to the 115 volts output (you can see in the first pic that the loose 6.3 connector is used to lead the wires to the 110 volt switcher
the second looks like its doing the same, i can only see the 220 side, not the other side ( the blue wires ), but il looks like they go to the black wire, and then to the monitor.

If that is correct, and both are still working, you dont need to buy a stepdown transformer (they both are as far as i can judge, only the newer one is used in a "isolation transformer way" so the two cirquits are separated by that)

damn, i need to create another / new picture schema for you  ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2011, 11:42:37 AM
Am i the only person thinking about this / replying here, or is everything that i say correct  ???  :lol:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 25, 2011, 11:47:53 AM
do you need more pics of those transformers, etienne?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2011, 11:56:57 AM
just one of the "new" transformer, and then the side that is not shown on the earlier pictures (the blue wire side)

What you can do already, is connect them and measure the output to check if they are both giving 110 ± V output.

the new picture schema i will create when i got that info

then i can also make the schema like in the schematics (so first the interlock switches and then the on - off switch)
then you are at least folowing the original schematics


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on August 25, 2011, 12:44:20 PM
Am i the only person thinking about this / replying here, or is everything that i say correct  ???  :lol:
No time...sorry...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2011, 12:56:32 PM
No time...sorry...

you have a legitime reason andre  ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 25, 2011, 02:39:17 PM
No time...sorry...

you are definitely excused, andré! :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2011, 02:48:22 PM
Okay, i tried to create another visual:

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/jungleking/wd4.jpg)

i think its easy to understand now ?

ps the green wire represents the ground, and should be connected to all metal parts in the cab.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 25, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
picture isn't working for me, etienne, sorry! :-[


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 25, 2011, 03:29:30 PM

took a new photo and added some labels :arrow:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6076/6079732734_6e3d0d7010_b_d.jpg)

here's a cloesup of that "line filter assembly". note that the only thing left from the original setup is the fuse and that there are two wires soldered to one of the pins. there's a third wire (the white one, labeled b on the first picture) which isn't connected to anything. i guess it has to be soldered on together with the black wires. please also note that there is no power cord going in anywhere, it was already missing when i got the cab. where / how do i have to connect the cord?

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/6079198845_193036bca5_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2011, 03:48:24 PM
I think i fixed the pic, that explanes everything  ;)

the white wire connects to the linefilter  ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 25, 2011, 03:53:59 PM
I think i fixed the pic, that explanes everything  ;)

i'll need something to drink first ;)

the white wire connects to the linefilter  ;)

but on the original shinobi setup there was no line filter present anymore ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
but on the original shinobi setup there was no line filter present anymore ...

Looking at the condition of the cab when you got it, it does not surprise me  ;D

the cord was connected to the white wire, and the other wire form the cord to the "empty" terminal on the fuseholder

anyway, follow the picture , and you are compliant to the original schematics


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 25, 2011, 04:31:57 PM
anyway, follow the picture , and you are compliant to the original schematics

alright, this means i will have to use the line filter setup and therefore get a new 230v varistor - which brings me back to my original question: which varistor do i have to by from rs online?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on August 25, 2011, 04:41:22 PM
I think you can forget about the filter altogether since you're using a switcher. Just MHO of course.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 25, 2011, 04:46:13 PM
Yeah, that was my idea too, but since its in his bracket might as well use it

I think by the way that it will work just fine without that varistor..
(please correct me if i am wrong  ;D )


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on August 25, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
Yup, leave it out....the mains in Europe are a bit cleaner compared to the US I bet anyway (no wooden poles here)...although you'd be surprised what kind of "mess" is sometimes on power lines...we once had a BBC recorder checking mains power in an industrial area. It had a printer and printed anything that was "off the chart". Peaks of kVs existed ! There was a business next door that had a huge electrical crane causing this problem.

The reply from the power company ? Hey sir....do your lightbulbs work ? Yes ? Well than it's good enough for us !
Which meant installing heavy filters and UPS-es....

However, switching PSU's will "eat" a lot of this rubbish and handle it....if they are of good quality and designed well...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 25, 2011, 05:25:27 PM
so basically what you're saying is leave out the varistor (remove the blown one from the circuit) and be done with it?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on August 25, 2011, 07:08:40 PM
Yup.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 26, 2011, 11:37:57 AM
another question: once i have removed the varistor, can i simply connect the line filter to the main power line without blowing the filter itself? it says 115 / 250 V on top, so does that mean it can handle any kind of voltage?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 26, 2011, 12:44:08 PM
no, it cannot handle any kind of voltage, it can handle voltages between 115 and 250 volts

but i guess that is what you mean  ;D

higher voltages will probably blow it  ;)

[friday joking mode on]

you can even leave the varistor in place, its already burned out  ;D

[/friday joking mode off]

by the way, i specified the fuse by recalculating it from 110v 3 amps to 220v 1,5 amps

that value is taken from the original schematics (original powersupply and monitor)
I dont know what the new setup is going to draw from the powerline, so it could be that this value is not sufficient.

I guess the only way to find that out is to check the amount of current it is drawing when you start it up later..


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 26, 2011, 02:10:01 PM
by the way, i specified the fuse by recalculating it from 110v 3 amps to 220v 1,5 amps

we're talking about the line filter setup here, right? i'm just asking because both units i have (the one from the usa WITH and line filter and the one which was in the shinobi cab WITHOUT the line filter) use a 250V 3A fuse and the label states to only use fuses like that!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 26, 2011, 04:19:58 PM
Yep, and i based that up of this calculation :

3 amps @ 110 volts = 330 watt

330 watt / 220 volts = 1,5 amps



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on August 26, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
note that the shinobi-converted cabinet was running with 230 volts and it used the 3A 250V fuse ... ???


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on September 28, 2011, 09:34:36 PM
well, its just theoreticly what i tried to explane, it will not be a problem to leave it 3 amps @ 220V, because in case of a short, the 3 amp will also blow, and by doing that, its doing what its supposed to do; blow in case sh#t happens ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on December 10, 2011, 02:31:51 PM

this is probably my lengthiest restoration so far, however slowly but surely it seems to be coming to an end (it's about time)!

perhaps you remember my problem: i didn't have the original power supply and an isolation transformer in my cab, so in order to get power to the components i would have had to hack the original wiring harness - which i didn't want to do. hmmm, what to do instead? two weeks ago i went over to the storage to re-arrange some cabs - including my zoo keeper. from my memory i thought that it was empty except for the monitor, but when i checked i found something wonderful at the bottom of the cab :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6486381055_d2799d5b23_b_d.jpg)

EXACTLY what i needed! isn't there something missing, you might be wondering? yes, there is, the power supply pcb, but i don't need that, because my harness has been modified to be used with a switcher (which is always a good idea with taito cabs). so i got the whole setup out of the zoo keeper cab and brought it home for the superully treatment. here's a couple of pictures of its original condition: as you can see some rusty parts and worn labels!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6486375083_94328f42a2_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6486375879_341db8eb54_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6486376359_d36276bd7d_b_d.jpg)

i removed everything from the board (including the stickers) and gave it a nice cosy anti-rust bath

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6486377791_042f24e3c7_b_d.jpg)

followed by some layers of zinc-alu spray

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6486377175_b1d9a76308_b_d.jpg)

while waiting for the paint to dry i created a fresh set of labels (printed and laminated)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6486377433_e2bc8142b1_b_d.jpg)

which i then put on double-sided tape

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6486376719_1e6330617e_b_d.jpg)

i also cleaned the fuse holders (still dirty on the left, much better after cleaning it on the right)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6486378477_8c036e3b1a_b_d.jpg)

and then i put everything back together!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6486379763_e26b722055_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6486378811_54dd1b73c1_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6486378241_98e7774e8c_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6486380123_ed6c932c25_b_d.jpg)

last order of business: install it in the jungle king cabinet :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6486375425_11902a57eb_b_d.jpg)

i've got the power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6DO_7px1I) :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on December 10, 2011, 09:19:09 PM
Quote
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6486377433_e2bc8142b1_b_d.jpg)

Hey !, thats my job  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Looks really Super(Ully)! :spaceace:

reminds me i still need to finish a vector....  :oops:

sorry dude, so much things to do atm, but eventually it will be done  ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: simplesi on December 14, 2011, 11:11:21 PM
This is a fantastic post. Please put up more photos. Did the Taito cabs come in other colours in general?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on December 15, 2011, 07:04:37 AM
This is a fantastic post. Please put up more photos.

thx a lot, i'm hoping to finish the resto in the christmas holidays, at least i want to have the game up and running by then!

Did the Taito cabs come in other colours in general?

yepp, many different color variations, here's an overview!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6514509761_32e0c97449_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: simplesi on December 16, 2011, 09:43:17 AM
Nice colours. My girlfriend would love a pink one. :oops: Her order is in (and that's the only way I get another cab). I must talk her round and say it has to be dedicated, OR, it's the colour scheme for the multi Taito. Hmmm....


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 02, 2012, 07:18:26 PM

a christmas present has arrived :)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6620325229_d1ccb5a712_b_d.jpg)

andy's arcade? what could that be?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6620325703_a3af1a2428_b_d.jpg)

inside: a black antistatic bag ...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6620326265_2b71bdfd5e_b_d.jpg)

... with a nice warning label!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6620332693_049bd33911_b_d.jpg)

antistatic bag? this can only mean one thing :arrow: pcb alert!!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6620330209_fa7815e8bd_b_d.jpg)

in detail: taito it is!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6620329123_a70fa9b5d4_b_d.jpg)

time to work on those pcb mounting brackets: the metal is dirty and the plastic slides are distorted

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6620324595_ba3880e47f_b_d.jpg)

let me fix that 8)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6620327579_d4cd9b685b_b_d.jpg)

filter board and pcb mounted to the back door

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6620331467_453e4598d1_b_d.jpg)

but before i can give this setup a try, there are two more things i need to do. way back i accidently plugged in the power plug without putting a stepdown converter in between and by doing so blew the varistor next to the line filter

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6620337749_7df81cb872_b_d.jpg)

varistor removed

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6620328319_23868da534_b_d.jpg)

new ones ordered from china eh rs online :P

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6620326809_abe0f66f80_b_d.jpg)

old vs new: on the left the 110v original version, on the right the 230v china stuff

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6620333807_485bc4f17c_b_d.jpg)

fixed a high-quality stepdown converter (still missing its cover on the photo) to the power board, after all the isolation transformer runs on 110 v

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6620333513_1d2a3c584e_b_d.jpg)

setting up everything for a test run

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6620335237_4988f10c2d_b_d.jpg)

after measuring voltages on the crucial connections with some parts still disconnected (e.g. monitor) i decide we're good to go, so let's flick the switch!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6621451097_a3704ca42f_m_d.jpg)

marquee lights come on ...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6621211409_0e25f2f6e3_b_d.jpg)

... and so do the instruction card lights at the bottom of the bezel

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6621212171_79e5bbfb51_b_d.jpg)

i can also hear the monitor crackle when flicking the switch, however, the picture itself doesn't look very jungle king-esque to me :'(

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6620337009_611b553140_b_d.jpg)

hm, what could be wrong? voltages are ok (a little bit more on that later though), the pcb is supposed to be working, connections are fine except for one wire which still is unconnected. remember, the wiring harness had been hacked for a switching power supply and there was one line labeled M RESET which puzzled a lot of people (me included).

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6193/6069687181_9816839fd5_b_d.jpg)

i asked the question about the purpose of M RESET on KLOV and some guys suggested hooking it up to +5v as well. let's try this :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6621216705_dce344e146_b_d.jpg)

let's give this another try: flick the switch part deux!!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6621451097_a3704ca42f_m_d.jpg)

i slowly and anxiously walk around the cabinet to see this :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6621219021_8656662124_b_d.jpg)

woaahhh!!! after god-knows how many years, jungle king is back in the house cabinet! however, i'm sure you've also noted that the top of the picture is distorted :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6621216045_aa0813001d_b_d.jpg)

haven't tried the potentiometers yet, but i'll probably have to do a cap kit

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6621212911_51e632cd98_b_d.jpg)

nevertheless, i'm absolutely happy where i am right now. i do have a picture and that's something i can work with.

now to some still unresolved stuff: i don't have +12v or -5v anywhere on the connectors because the guy who did the harness transformation didn't slice switcher connectors in for those voltages. however, i'm not even sure if JK needs +12v and -5v, perhaps the sound is produced differently on this board. unfortunately, i can't tell whether the sound is working or not because the credt switches don't register credits (and the coin door lights don't work). but, i received the coin door from a different taito game and i was told the wiring on my coin door is different from the jungle king coin door wiring, so it could very well be that the coin door is not connected properly. i'll have to check into this tomorrow!!!

for now, jungle king is alive! :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 02, 2012, 08:16:36 PM
Great news !  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on January 02, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
Well done! :spaceace:
Btw. you can put some credits to the machine if you short the credit pin with something that I forget (maybe ground) on the pcb's edge connector.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on January 02, 2012, 11:50:30 PM
In 99% of the board input contacts indeed need to be shorted to GND to activate them.
The only exception Ive seen so far is Asterock which strangely wants the inputs to be connected to +5V....


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 03, 2012, 12:45:23 AM
thx guys! so what you're saying is in order the add credits i have to take the wire going to the credit switch and touch ground? i'll try that tomorrow as well ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 03, 2012, 08:09:10 AM
thx guys! so what you're saying is in order the add credits i have to take the wire going to the credit switch and touch ground? i'll try that tomorrow as well ...

Yes sir.  :)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 05, 2012, 11:03:28 AM

touching the wires as stated above yielded no result, but i found out why: in order to accept credits, the board needs +12v and since i'm still missing those, it simply can't work. however, with my newly aquired splice connectors (http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3256.0) this problem will hopefully be solved soon!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on January 05, 2012, 11:10:33 AM
Already mentioned somewhere in this topic I guess? But here's something for an old 80's magazine 8)  :arrow:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 05, 2012, 11:13:15 AM

yesterday evening, i brought the chassis home for a cap kit round, this morning, i set up my soldering stuff on my school desk (good thing the holidays still last)!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6640244955_39b4f69244_b_d.jpg)

caps ready, i'm ready, let's go

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6640245411_f941b54435_b_d.jpg)

i've done a couple of successful cap kits in the meantime and once again i have to admit that i really like that job (although i prefer monitors which don't need any attention at all)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6640244509_07ae15d145_b_d.jpg)

however, it's still fascinating for me to see the difference in size between the old and the new caps

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6640245707_f6a9b4fc47_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6640243773_edb2b7901c_b_d.jpg)

everything's done under the watchful eyes of my cat gnocchi :-*

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6640243123_51186d1fb5_b_d.jpg)

a "colorful bunch" of old capacitors

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6640244105_51e30f7576_b_d.jpg)

this afternoon, it's testing time for the capped chassis - fingers crossed!!!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on January 05, 2012, 01:05:57 PM
I want to be a teacher too ! Already back at work since tuesday :(:(


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 05, 2012, 04:19:29 PM
I want to be a teacher too ! Already back at work since tuesday :(:(

gotta love those school holidays :-*

anyway, just came back from my mother's place. first thing i did was put the capped chassis back into the cab :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6640711111_4c1ba1909b_b_d.jpg)

the good news is that the slight "wobble" of the monitor is gone, the bad news is that the distortion at the top is not :(

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6640711575_442e00de97_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6640712233_331e260f4c_b_d.jpg)

time to try the potentiometers! i expanded the picture vertically which made the picture already better. then i realized that by moving the picture further to the right with the horizontal centering potentiometer, the distortion at the top got better and better. moving the picture to the very right of the screen almost makes the distortion disappear entirely. however, i don't want to have 3 centimeters of nothingness on the left and the picture itself "glueing" on the right of the screen, so i moved it back a little bit. now it's almost centered and still looking much better than before. additionally, i've just found in the manual that there is a horizontal raster position adjustment (= a jumper) by which you can move the screen to the left and the right. i'll try that the next time i'm up at my mum's place, for now this is what the screen looks like at the moment :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6640713181_48fd34b408_b_d.jpg)

then i turned to the next problem, the missing +12v. grabbed one of the splice connectors i received this morning and a yellow wire for the switching power supply connection and set everything up

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6640713499_00b3debe13_b_d.jpg)

one push with the pliers (as suggested by andré) and the connection is super tight!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6640713777_9ca09b8ef0_b_d.jpg)

hooked the new wires up to the switcher ....

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6640714147_9b6a3281ee_b_d.jpg)

... and 12 volts we have! :)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6640714485_ae7c4ef9b9_b_d.jpg)

connected the coin door to the wiring harness, turned the machine back on and immediately heard a hum from the speaker - so far, so good. walked around the machine and saw one coin insert light on, the other one off (note that i had replaced both of the lights with new ones). tried to add a credit with the microswitch: nothing! had a look at the non-working coin insert light and the moment i touched it the entire system went down :evil:. disconnected the coin door from the harness, power everything back up - still working (puh). then i tried to add a credit the way that bela had suggested by touching the ground pin and the coin mechs pin simultaneously on the harness connector, but nothing happened at all, no credits were added to the game! :'(

i forgot to measure whether the +12v are reaching the end of the connector (but why should they not), i'll have to do that later!

any suggestions?



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 05, 2012, 04:32:11 PM
.......

any suggestions?


Yes, degauss that monitor, there is a bit of a purple in the left bottom corner  ;D

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6640713181_48fd34b408_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 05, 2012, 05:55:03 PM

read something about a cmos battery being responsible for the game not coining up? cmos battery on jungle king? i need to dig into this ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 05, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
what pin do you short with ground ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: italiandoh on January 05, 2012, 06:56:29 PM
time to try the potentiometers!
any suggestions?

Yes, did you check the power supply stage of the monitor? Does it output correct voltages according to the manual?

Matteo


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 05, 2012, 07:12:05 PM
what pin do you short with ground ?

i took the connector going to the coin door. the manual says that pin 1 is ground, pin 2 is left coin insert, pin 3 is right coin insert. then i took a wire, connected one side to pin 1, the other to pin 2 (later pin 3) and hoped it would add a credit - which it didn't. did i do this correctly?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 05, 2012, 07:12:47 PM
Yes, did you check the power supply stage of the monitor? Does it output correct voltages according to the manual?

all i did was check whether 120v are fed into the monitor. anything else i should measure?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 05, 2012, 07:37:07 PM
Try to short pin "j" from Connector "G" solderside to ground and see what happens.

if it coins up, then follow the wire from that pin to where it goes..

http://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/spies.cgi?action=url&type=pinout&page=JungleKing.txt (http://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/spies.cgi?action=url&type=pinout&page=JungleKing.txt)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 05, 2012, 07:42:03 PM
take ground from the connector as well? is my way of shorting ths correct?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: italiandoh on January 06, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Yes, did you check the power supply stage of the monitor? Does it output correct voltages according to the manual?

all i did was check whether 120v are fed into the monitor. anything else i should measure?

Yes, you need to make sure the power supply stage of the monitor is in working order before trying to adjust it. And leave it on for 15 mins before that. What model is it? In the service manual you should find the electrical schematic and/or the electronic adjustment procedure for it.

Matteo


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 12:05:18 PM
wells gardner 19k4903


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: italiandoh on January 06, 2012, 12:44:55 PM
wells gardner 19k4903

See http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Monitors/ (http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Monitors/), file WG K4900_Manual_B.pdf, page 17. Check the three main DC supply voltages on the monitor board as indicated on the schematics on page 12, top left legenda.
Also double check all the monitor chassis for broken/cold solder joints.

Matteo


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 01:29:30 PM
thx matteo, but shouldn't i be using this manual (http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Monitors/Taito_19in_Monitor_(WG_Models_4902_4903_4952_4953)_(72-00025-001).pdf)?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: italiandoh on January 06, 2012, 01:35:15 PM
thx matteo, but shouldn't i be using this manual (http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Monitors/Taito_19in_Monitor_(WG_Models_4902_4903_4952_4953)_(72-00025-001).pdf)?

It looks the same. This one is just done by Taito by taking parts of the Wells Gardner manual.
It's up to you.

Matteo


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 06, 2012, 01:47:41 PM
take ground from the connector as well? is my way of shorting ths correct?

to narrow down if you got a wire problem, take a piece of wire and short it with ground on the same connector (that is ac close you can get to the pcb)

if it works then, you might have a wire problem further in the harness..

additionally you can beeptest the wires from the coinswitch to the pcb, to determine if you got:
a. the correct wires
b. no broken wires


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 01:52:25 PM
alright matteo, pulled out the schematics and found / marked the three voltage test points: 15, 130 and 175v. here they are :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6646742203_b5ec16211f_b_d.jpg)

how / where do i have to measure this now, that is: which lead (black / red) goes where? it's ac voltage, right? do i have to measure this from "underneath" the chassis (which would mean i would have to pull it out somehow while everything's still connected)?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
to narrow down if you got a wire problem, take a piece of wire and short it with ground on the same connector (that is ac close you can get to the pcb)

if it works then, you might have a wire problem further in the harness..

will do as adviced! the thing is: i bought this pcb as fully working and i'm pretty sure it is because the guy who sold it to me is one of the good guys 8). therefore i assume the problem has to be somewhere else (that is: the harness). i'll try to add credits with the method suggested and report back later!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 01:58:33 PM
one more thing: i've also looked for this horizontal raster alignment thing and had to realize that the jumper which was supposed to be there is not installed. the jumper for the vertical raster shift is there, you can see it on the following picture at the very bottom, it's the black thing with the yellow wire attached to it :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6646742827_3e7f930dc7_b_d.jpg)

another shot of the horizontal centering tab: three empty pins, nothing there :'(. damn, would have been so easy ...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6646742551_26f15408d8_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 02:50:40 PM
back from the test run, shorted pin a (ground) with pin j (coin 1) and on the other side of the connector pin 1 (ground) with pin 8 (coin 2) :arrow: no reaction at all!!! :'(

looks like the harness is ok and there's another problem! yesterday i talked about the cmos ram because in the manual you can read the following:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6642378233_5a90877e06_z_d.jpg)

the thing is: i have no idea where that W1 (jumper) is supposed to be on the video board nor do i know of a cmos battery anywhere on the boards.

one more thing: when i put the game in test mode, the screen states all RAM is good, after that it keeps resetting, displaying the same test screen again.

a guy on KLOV seemed to have the same issue (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=53197&highlight=jungle+king+issue), unfortunately his thread ends without a solution (at least he didn't post one).

here are some (slightly blurry) pictures taken from a spare non-working set i got from oll (thx again) to give you an idea of the individual boards. perhaps your eyes are better than mine (again)!

first up, the game board with the rom board on top :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6646943341_63dccef696_b_d.jpg)

up next, the cpu board :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6646941955_c0b13d4efc_b_d.jpg)

finally, the video board which is supposed to have the blue W1 jumper :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6646942763_540c62a8e1_b_d.jpg)

if you need detailed pictures, just let me know!



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: polderarcade on January 06, 2012, 03:13:50 PM
Top of the video board the two bic black things
Think that are chips chips whit battery included
I am not sure I am also still in the learning process


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 06, 2012, 04:10:30 PM
Top of the video board the two bic black things
Think that are chips chips whit battery included
I am not sure I am also still in the learning process


looks like normal chips to me, just they have sockets under them so they look bigger..


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 04:23:19 PM
i don't know if the mystery battery has to be sought on the video board, it's just that that blue jumper W1 is supposed to be there!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 06, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
do you have a link to the manual, i cannot find it  :-\


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: italiandoh on January 06, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
how / where do i have to measure this now, that is: which lead (black / red) goes where? it's ac voltage, right? do i have to measure this from "underneath" the chassis (which would mean i would have to pull it out somehow while everything's still connected)?

Black lead to any GND point on the chassis, usually metal parts or heat sinks. Look for a good test point on the schematics.
Red lead to any of those three points, measuring touching the leads of a component that connects there.
They are all DC voltages.

Matteo


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
do you have a link to the manual, i cannot find it  :-\

here you go! (http://www.gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Arcade//Manual/formated/Jungle_King_-_1982_-_Taito.pdf) be prepared for some pretty bad scans though ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: ataritoobin on January 06, 2012, 06:49:59 PM
I could be wrong, but perhaps this wording in the manual was accidentally left over from the Taito America Qix-type hardware games?

I'm not aware of any CMOS batteries on the Taito SJ hardware games.  ???


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 06, 2012, 07:14:03 PM
i'm afraid it was, because neither the battery not the jumper seem to be present!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Laschek on January 07, 2012, 03:04:15 PM
back from the test run, shorted pin a (ground) with pin j (coin 1) and on the other side of the connector pin 1 (ground) with pin 8 (coin 2) :arrow: no reaction at all!!! :'(

Maybe try pin 11, this is supposed to be the service switch.
Strangely enough some boards (bootlegs?) seem to have a freeplay setting on DIP Switch C7, wouldn't hurt to check that.

http://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-videogames/J/Jungle%20King%20diverse.pdf


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 08, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
here's an update on my two problems: distorted picture and coin-up issue!

i also had a posting on KLOV about the picture distortion and dokert told me that the problem lies in the horizontal sync and that i should look for the horizontal hold potentiometer. it's one of those potentiometers NOT located directly on the back side of the chassis, therefore i didn't know about its existence, but once i found and turned it i got a perfectly centered picture without distortion! thx dokert!!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6659990647_cc7c22ee86_b_d.jpg)

problem one :arrow: tick!!! on to problem 2 ...

Strangely enough some boards (bootlegs?) seem to have a freeplay setting on DIP Switch C7, wouldn't hurt to check that.

i've tried it, but i don't have one of those boards with a freeplay dip switch - damn! would have been too easy.

Maybe try pin 11, this is supposed to be the service switch.

before i tried what sascha suggested, i had checked the voltages directly on the board and not on the edge connector and realized that they were too low. only +4.75 volts! cranked up the voltages on the switcher to +5.10 in the hopes of solving my coin-up issue, but unfortunately nothing had changed! :'(

so i did as sascha had suggested and shorted pin 1 (ground) with pin 11 (service switch) and guess what ... :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6659993283_6434aa7027_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5229/5676583954_30302ec558_t_d.jpg) click on the following picture to hear the sounds of the jungle:arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/6660048307_7f021d15a6_z_d.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt7WpjSYU8s&feature=youtu.be)

ok, what does that mean? i cannot add credits via the coin switches, i cannot add credits by shorting two points on the edge connector, but i can add credits via shorting the service switch! if you ask me, something has to be wrong with the board ... what do you think?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on January 08, 2012, 08:38:33 PM
Good work on the monitor. Now you have to reduce the brightness a bit since it is "overscreaming". Hou can see this by the white letters becoming "wooly" and bleeding colors..

Also maybe adjust the focus a bit...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 08, 2012, 08:39:12 PM
Well, since the manual states a jumper, and a backup battery that are both absent, its clear that the manual is wrong.

with that knowledge it could be that the pinout is also wrong, and the coin connection is indeed the pin 11.

does it play normal ?

If so just wire up the coin mechs to pin 11  ::)

Love to hear the aaahhhhhooooooaaaaaaa   and the melody afterwards !  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on January 08, 2012, 10:28:02 PM

with that knowledge it could be that the pinout is also wrong, and the coin connection is indeed the pin 11.
If so just wire up the coin mechs to pin 11  ::)
Love to hear the aaahhhhhooooooaaaaaaa   and the melody afterwards !  :spaceace:
+1


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on January 08, 2012, 10:34:19 PM
Good work on the monitor. Now you have to reduce the brightness a bit since it is "overscreaming". Hou can see this by the white letters becoming "wooly" and bleeding colors..
Also maybe adjust the focus a bit...

thx andré! focus is already at its max, will try the brightness adjustment next ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 22, 2012, 05:34:45 PM

i was contacted by a guy on klov regarding the coin up issue who had similar problems. here's what he told me:

I am currently bringing a Jungle King back to life. It was having all sorts of wiring problems, no coin up and no sync .. the Interconnect/Filter board was bad. I was told it was not needed, So After all wires were directly spliced and soldered together everything started working perfectly again. What I did before I cut and spliced was to pull the wires from the connectors and tape them together well bypassing the filter to see if it cured the coin up and monitor sync issue and it did.. So then I cut and soldered the wires! Not necessarily your problem, But it's worth a shot and only takes a couple minutes..

sounds good to me (and andré was mentioning something simliar this afternoon about a filter board having no use), let me show you what he's been talking about, here's the filter board sitting above the game pcbs. as you can see, each connector has a counter-connector (apart from V1 which has two on "the other side"). basically what happens is that the signal is sent from one connector through the filter board to the counter connector "on the other side". i'm sure you get the picture!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6774621714_71c9d2a5c5_b_d.jpg)

here's a photo of the fully wired filter board

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6774617610_a2841ca8f0_b_d.jpg)

what i would need to do is remove those connectors from the filter board and connect the individual connectors directly (i've just used some lines to demonstrate what i mean, you have to remove those connectors in your head for now, but you're intelligent guys, you can do that :P)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6774667286_48aa08f444_b_d.jpg)

however, since i have no idea whether this is going to solve my coin-up issue, i don't want to remove the wires from the connectors just yet, the best and easiest solution would be to find connectors like the ones on the filter board (of course, there would have to be pins on BOTH sides of the black plastic thing) and plug in the two opposing connectors from each side. can you still follow me? i've circle one of those filter board connectors, now imagine removing that and having pins on the other side, than simply plugging in the two connectors from the wiring harness. do connectors like that even exist? or do you guys have another quick idea to bypass the filter board and to connect the connectors?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7051/6774665702_821b9ac429_b_d.jpg)

any input is appreciated!!! :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on February 22, 2012, 07:59:47 PM
yes, some solidcore wire with that diameter will do the trick

or macgyver style; take some nails with that diameter and cut the heads off  ;)

Next is the more nice way to permanent fix it if that is the solution.
with this method, you don't need to cut up your cable, and you can keep it original..

take a couple of these, soldered "bottoms" together: ( in the correct diameter ofcourse..)

(http://img-europe.electrocomponents.com/largeimages/R2518301-01.jpg)

Click me to go to RS-online DE (http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/header-leiterplattenbuchsen/2518351/?searchTerm=251-8351&relevancy-data=636F3D3126696E3D4931384E525353746F636B4E756D6265724D504E266C753D656E266D6D3D6D61746368616C6C26706D3D5E5C647B337D5B5C732D2F255C2E5D5C647B332C347D2426706F3D313426736E3D592673743D52535F53544F434B5F4E554D424552267573743D3235312D383335312677633D4E4F4E4526)

Or if you want to use the filterboard and dont care to modify that, you can solder "bridges" on the back side of the filter board.
it looks more original then when you look into the cab instead of a "patched" wireharness  ;)

after the fix of choice, "beep" them with your DVM to check if all "bridges" work


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: liquidx on February 23, 2012, 01:39:25 AM

Just build a male-to-male adapter as Etienne suggests.

I'm guessing they're 0.1" or 0.156" pitch connectors. Didn't you already buy a bunch of those from Great Plains for another project?

If they're 0.1, you can just solder them on each side of vero board/stripboard one row apart. I don't think that exists in 0.156 though.







Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Laschek on February 23, 2012, 09:03:51 AM
I highly recommend getting a cheap Jamma cab or a MAK/Supergun in order to test game PCBs outside of their cabs. For many games (not all, but Jungle King f.i. would work) you can easily make an adapter to Jamma, you don't even necessariliy need to connect everything. Easy way to find out if your problem is related to the PCB itself or the wiring etc. inside the cab. Plus you dont stress the original cab (esp. the monitor) too much from permanently switching on and off while testing board issues.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 23, 2012, 09:27:49 AM
I highly recommend getting a cheap Jamma cab or a MAK/Supergun in order to test game PCBs outside of their cabs. For many games (not all, but Jungle King f.i. would work) you can easily make an adapter to Jamma, you don't even necessariliy need to connect everything. Easy way to find out if your problem is related to the PCB itself or the wiring etc. inside the cab. Plus you dont stress the original cab (esp. the monitor) too much from permanently switching on and off while testing board issues.

thx sascha, in fact i do have a testing station here (was planning on posting pictures soon), BUT i don't have the space to set it up yet - it's too big! :D additionally, i need to be schooled on making those adapters first, no idea which parts i need for that and how to tackle the job. as always, i would need your input, guys!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 23, 2012, 09:51:05 AM
Yeah, a test station is definately necessary for pcb repairs ... Ok, since I am sah today, I took a quick look at the schematics of the board. There are only two chips responsible for coinage. It's the 14584 trigger on position 27 and the buffer on 29. If you have a probe you could watch the signal during coinage and see where it gets stuck. Then there is a coin lockout circuit. That can be the reason, too. You would see this, in a stuck signal from that lockout switch ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 23, 2012, 12:46:54 PM
thx for the input regarding the coin up. i'll try bypassing the filte rboard first and might come back to you later then. the question is: wouldn't it be just easier to simply connect the test wire to the coin mechs and be done with it? after all, there's no difference as long as i can add credits!

as for those connectors eitenne posted above: just got back from my mum's place and measured the space between the pins, close to 4 mm i would say - guess those connectors won't work! have a look :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7040/6776877114_b1559c6cb4_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/6776876996_668105239d_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Muerto on February 23, 2012, 12:48:40 PM
they look like they would fit perfectly.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on February 23, 2012, 12:51:56 PM
the link was not the actual item you need to order, it was meant to put you in the good direction  ;)

Find these KIND of connectors with a spacing of 4 mm and the correct diameter..

Or like i would do, just throw in a bunch of nails for testing

or solder the connectors through on the back of the filterboard with bridge wires.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on February 23, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Of which student did you steal that ruler Ully ?  ;D

cut all connectors (color by color, wire per wire) , strip and twist them together, solder and put a shrink tube over it. done  ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 23, 2012, 02:22:30 PM
Of which student did you steal that ruler Ully ?  ;D

my collection of writing utensils is growing every day :D

cut all connectors (color by color, wire per wire) , strip and twist them together, solder and put a shrink tube over it. done  ;D

i would do that if i knew it was the filter board. but as long as i don't, i don't want to destroy original parts!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on February 23, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
i would mod the filterboard, that fix is easy undone in case it does not work, and you have fresh solderings also in that way  :D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 24, 2012, 09:47:33 PM

today i did the mod to bypass the filterboard. for that, i first removed all the connectors from it and wired the connector which is responsible for "distributing" voltages across the game pcb

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7198/6780456340_40e2ceab62_b_d.jpg)

hooked everything up to the switching power supply

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/6926575023_44e920704a_b_d.jpg)

up next, i brought out the tools of the day

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/6926575251_f3d4575579_b_d.jpg)

because the nails were too long, i had to cut off their heads :twisted: and divide the pin into smaller pieces

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6780456574_0c9987e3ff_b_d.jpg)

squeezed those pins into the individual connectors ...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6926574791_42e8abf537_b_d.jpg)

... and stuck them together with their corresponding counterparts!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6780456090_4bf5b90ba9_b_d.jpg)

finally, i checked the entire setup for continuity, fired up the game and measured the voltages. everything was as it's supposed to be, picture came up nicely, so i anxiously tried adding credits via the coin switches - NOTHING!!! :(

shorted the test switch with ground - CREDITS +1!!!

in short: nothing has changed except for the fact that the filter board is out of the equation, i still can't add credits the way i should be able to!

this leaves me with two options now:
(a) check the board like the caveman had suggested (for which i would need a lot of help / input from you guys)
(b) splice up the test switch wire and hack it into the coin switch position

option (a) is more difficult but the pro version of how to fix a game, option (b) is much easier but more an amateurish approach.

what do you think?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on February 24, 2012, 09:57:09 PM
Rewire-> Done -> enjoy game


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on February 24, 2012, 10:33:51 PM
Love the nail trick TM.  ;D

I would also use the test switch pin as a credit switch.
I'll quote myself..

Well, since the manual states a jumper, and a backup battery that are both absent, its clear that the manual is wrong.

with that knowledge it could be that the pinout is also wrong, and the coin connection is indeed the pin 11.

does it play normal ?

If so; just wire up the coin mechs to pin 11  ::)




Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Muerto on February 25, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
I would do as Etienne and André said, because if you do it the hard way and it turns out not working, your only option is "b" which you would have wasted even more time getting to...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 25, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Though I would suggest Andres tip and bridge that filter board, here is an easy two step test to check the filter:

1) check the connection from the ground pin of the coin mech microswitch to the gnd of the pcb with the continuity function of your multimeter. Just put it in the beep mode ;) and put me test probe on the pin of the micro switch that is wired to ground. Should be easy to spot, because it is daisy chained ... The other probe on the pcb ... If you hear a beep, first mission accomplished ... Do the same with the other (signal) pin of the coin mech switch. If that one beeps, too ... Proceed to step 2). ;)

2) check that, if the mikroswitch closes, there is a signal on the pcb. Therefore put one probe on a gnd pin on the pcb and the other probe (beep mode enabled of course) on the coin1 pin of the pcb. Then close the microswitch in the coin mech. You should hear a beep now.

If both works, you have a problem on the pcb ... Look on my previous post for a test procedure on that ;D


PS: Oops! Damn .. That happens when you don't update the pages in the tabs of your browser for days ;) sorry ... Didn't see that you already bridged the filter board. Ok .. So it's a pcb fault obviously. The check the chips I mentioned earlier. If you need help, you can call me ... I can guide you through the process.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 25, 2012, 12:11:55 PM
i've just come back from some more testing. this thing is starting to drive me nuts, because i can add credits by shorting GND with the test switch directly on the pcb (which doesn't work for GND and coin 1 / coin 2 btw), BUT i can not add credits by shorting GND and the test switch pin on the coin door connector.

i have to tell you though that i have reversed yesterday's steps by removing the "nail connection" reverting back to my original setup. here i do have continuity from the coin door connector to the R15 connector on the filter board and i also have continuity from the other R15 connector to the pcb. BUT i don't have continuity from the coin door connector to the filter board because the filter board is in between and i guess i can't measure continuity through the filter board, can i?

why did i remove the "nail connection"? i somehow had the feeling that the connections i made were not tight, i sometimes had a missing color on the picture or the control panel wasn't working at all, that's why i reverted back.

with that being said, i cannot do the tests mr caveman suggested right now because the filter board is "in the way". i need to find some real connectors to make good connections between the individual filter board connectors. my current idea is to remove all the pins / wires from their connectors and attach them through luster terminals. this would make a definite tight connection and give me a 100% certainty!

(http://kabello.de/kabello/neu2/artikel/gross/77009.jpg)

are you still following me? ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 25, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
Yeah, this time I followed your post ;) lets forget the filter board for a while ... I still think, that you have a pcb problem. If you shorten the coin1 pin to gnd there is no coinage, right? If this is so, check the chips, dude ;) no chance to get this running by fiddling with the filter board then ...


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 25, 2012, 12:40:52 PM
yeah, no coinage even if i short on the pcb directly. the thing is, i bought this as fully working from andy's arcade, don't know how andy added credits when he tested it. and i still don't get it why i can add credits when shorting the pins (GND and service) on the pcb but why it doesn't work the same way on the coin door connector.

anyway, you've offered your help checking the chips, i'll gladly take it. today is not a good time though, i'm off to run some errands and then it's soccer time all the way 8). how about tomorrow? anything i need to do in advance? which tools do i need?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 25, 2012, 12:50:04 PM
Tomorrow is good. Ideal for testing would be a oscilloscope or at least an logic probe. If you don't have any of that your multimeter might do the job if it is fast in reaction. We will see what we can do. My cosmic alien pcb had the same problem, when I got the cab and it has almost the same coin circuitry whith the Schmid triggers. I fixed that one the same way so I think we might find a solution fast.

Why is the service switch working you asked. Because the trigger/buffer combination on that pin on the pcb is still fine could be the reason. Also service is often handled a bit different in pcbs because it doesn't cause a coin counter impulse if you coin up through service button. So it's a slight other part of the circuitry that does the service coinage. ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on February 25, 2012, 01:27:57 PM
I think Ully has the "all in one" equipment for this job. :D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 25, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
i have the cheap logic probe that andré recommended once, hope it'll suffice!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/6782216266_0aaefa3721_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6782216394_8ebc8f8386_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7210/6928336583_fa9d95da41_b_d.jpg)

how about 2 o'clock in the afternoon? this should give us enough time before the big soccer match begins ... ;)

please shot me a pm with your phone number (no mobile phone if possible), i'll call you then when i'm ready!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 25, 2012, 04:23:18 PM
PM send ;) That probe is absolutely suficient ... looks like new and never used. About time to get that little thing to work ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 25, 2012, 04:37:54 PM
PM send ;) That probe is absolutely suficient ... looks like new and never used. About time to get that little thing to work ;D

pm received! the probe IS new, because i have no idea how to use it (yet) :P but since i ordered from that company anyway i thought "why not get it, i'm sure there's another german guy out there who will tell me how to use it one day!" 8)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 26, 2012, 05:49:55 PM
after 3 (in words: THREE) hours on the phone this afternoon with joerg and a lot of probing, pulsing, measuring, wire hacking and schematic reading we THINK to have narrowed the problem down to the coin door and its wiring. if joerg wants to chime in and explain a little bit further, please do so ... ;) i can't thank him enough for his help so far!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 26, 2012, 07:13:30 PM
I can try to explain a bit what we found out ;D The coinage on the JK board is a little more advanced that on other pcbs. On the poinout of the board there are three pins for each coins slot responsible for coinage. First there is the coin signal itself, coming from the coiner, on the second pin comes the coin lock signal, which goes to the lockout coils and third pin on the pcb edge connector is the one for the coin meter. If any of these are not connected or functioning right, no coins are accepted. Problem now was that Ullys coindor was not an original one ... missing counters, hacked wiring and stuff. So the pcb failed to work properly. That's a long story short. Very short. ;D

Btw. it was great fun to work with Ully ... I had some of these phone support sessions with other people and it was a real pita because they simply didn't follow the instructions. This time it was great and after an hour we got in that "tunnel" completely focused on the schematics, finding ideas and trying out stuff. That was great fun although Mrs. Caveman was a bit "irritated" that I spend the whole afternoon on the phone ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on February 26, 2012, 07:37:49 PM
No skype in Germany ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 26, 2012, 07:49:41 PM
We think skype comes from the devil here in germany ... it's rarely used, at least not from people who wear shoes while eating their breakfast. ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on February 26, 2012, 08:32:54 PM
SKype or MSN could come in more handy, since you can use a webcam then..
Or do you guy's have videophones ?  ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: PunkRockCaveman on February 26, 2012, 09:13:46 PM
Hmmm .. Ully was very busy just holding the probe in one hand, wire to bridge some pins in the other. I think a webcam would have killed him or at least gave him a terrible neck injury.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 26, 2012, 09:18:55 PM
Webcam ain't such a bad idea and using a headset with a microphone ain't that bad either - we need to think about this the next time we do this! ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Level42 on February 26, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
Guys.....I know we love 80's technology, but some modern things are actually pretty handy ;)

(http://ajoka.com/images/helmet_cam_demo_big.jpg)

(http://www.singletracks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hd-helmet-camera.jpg)


 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Laschek on February 27, 2012, 04:10:37 PM
Just stumbled across this by accident:

"OK, another titbit related to Taito SJ Hardware
I found a fix for Elevator Action that wont coin up execpt using the service switch.

I found that after I converted a Tin Star back to Elevator Action using the bootleg roms, the coin inputs wouldn't work. Looking at the schematics made me realise that the link from the Counter Drive wasn't connected. All I had to do was add a link between the common and 2 and all is well."

I have no clue what he is talking about but maybe it's of any help? He also mentions a pic that he posted but there is none  ;D

stolen from here: http://www.aussiearcade.com.au/showthread.php/5612-Original-Tatio-Jungle-King-Elevator-Action


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on February 27, 2012, 04:36:48 PM
thx sascha, although i have no idea either what that means ...  :D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Arch on March 13, 2012, 11:03:12 AM
I haven't got anything to contribute on the tech discussion here, sorry. But my, this is surely one of the coolest - if not _the_ coolest restoration thread I've ever read. Deeply impressed by your paintwork a few pages back.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on March 13, 2012, 12:47:38 PM
I haven't got anything to contribute on the tech discussion here, sorry. But my, this is surely one of the coolest - if not _the_ coolest restoration thread I've ever read. Deeply impressed by your paintwork a few pages back.

thx man, but i'm pretty sure scr33n's paint jobs are nicer / smoother than mine, but then again i have the better color combinations :P

regarding the tech stuff: problem has been located and fixed, just can't update the thread yet because i'm still missing a crucial piece which should hopefully arrive soon!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on March 16, 2012, 02:04:19 PM

while waiting for the "tech stuff" to arrive, i'm concentrating on another aspect of the artwork: the monitor bezel! in case you don't remember, i wasn't able to find a nice glass bezel for my cab (most of them are badly flaking), so i grabbed an art file from joemonkey and had it printed :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7065/6839032640_38138afc55_b_d.jpg)

while it looked ok at first, there was some stuff which didn't make me happy, for example the masks and the tarzans at the top not "reaching" into the visible area. have a look at an original bezel to get an idea what i'm talking about :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6839032804_a9f894b77a_b_d.jpg)

additionally, the colors were off (too dark) and it had the instruction card "included" in the artwork, the original bezel came with a seperate card which was fixed to the bezel from the back - have a look :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6985153931_197f6a69f1_z_d.jpg)

because of that, i got together with our vector king etienne who kindly agreed to take on the task of vectoring the entire bezel for later reproductions. there's nothing available in the usa, although a jungle king bezel is probably one of the most desired pieces of art out there. so for a couple of weeks / months, etienne and i exchanged tons of emails about the progress he made and some corrections from my side. here's what such a file looked like after etienne had sent it to me and i had added my remarks :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6985153699_75befdc0aa_b_d.jpg)

etienne was almost done with the bezel (and the instruction card) when i was contacted by a guy from KLOV about an original jungle king bezel in ok condition. i was totally torn about what to do, because etienne had spent endless hours on this and now that the end was near an original piece came along. so i contacted etienne and asked him what to do and without any hesitation he told me to go for it! i was still hesitant because i somehow felt i betrayed the vector king, but of course an original bezel is somewhat nicer than a reproduction PLUS it was much cheaper than having etienne's version printed, so i decided to get it. who knows, perhaps etienne will finish the art and make it available for possible reproductions later!

enough said, a huge box arrived through "personal delivery" ;) at my doorstep one day

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7194/6985150451_6947b78073_b_d.jpg)

good news: everything seems to be in one piece!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7047/6839028976_3d79d3e768_b_d.jpg)

a first careful peek inside already reveals some flaking art :'(

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7200/6839030392_fec4ff14c6_b_d.jpg)

let's inspect the worst spots a little bit closer :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/6839029994_1e1451cfa8_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7058/6839029790_e9dba2f2f2_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6839030142_d2b890236d_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7065/6987093085_1c0b7929d4_b_d.jpg)

as you can see, some serious flaking going on - and of course i can't leave it like that, so first of all i'm taking out my black "glass pens" ...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7048/6985151909_2210b4c8f4_b_d.jpg)

... for some first minor corrections!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6985150645_96fa459195_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6985150821_2ab243c796_b_d.jpg)

after that, i'm bringing out the heavy artillery: my touch-up colors!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6839031184_6e13d2b9a7_b_d.jpg)

which shade of blue fits the best?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7044/6839031686_1b1ce2ba86_b_d.jpg)

here's the bezel after touching up the art, first two photos are against-the-light shots, last two bezel lying flat on the table. doesn't look too nice, does it?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/6985152103_6c936698fc_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7186/6985152635_343177b4ec_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7194/6985153119_0a718400d2_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/6839028612_7883664a77_b_d.jpg)

let's see how this "nastiness" turned out on the visible side

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7040/6839035184_76686ba479_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7206/6839036890_72742efbfd_b_d.jpg)

as you can see, close to perfection in the lower section, in the upper section the blue came out perfectly, but unfortunately the green color - which was an almost perfect match when applying - darkened after drying and so you can clearly see the spots where i touched up the art. however, this is going to be almost invisible once the bezel is installed and it looks so much better than when i got it, so i'm really happy with the results!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7192/6839036046_e678f5ebd8_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6985155743_d019c1d14c_b_d.jpg)

it's not perfect, but good and original! note that the flash increases the color differences

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/6985156797_e98bfb58b1_b_d.jpg)

now that i'm done with touching up the art, i want to seal it to prevent the bezel from flaking any further. here's what i'm using :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7061/6839033114_531a7193fa_b_d.jpg)

setting up my personal "paint booth"

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7193/6985155185_7bde272c2e_b_d.jpg)

while "shooting", i'm protecting the visible glass areas with cardboard

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6839034218_c6fa1e0312_b_d.jpg)

still missing: the instruction card!!! stay tuned ... 8)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Arch on March 16, 2012, 02:20:52 PM
Great update! So cool to see the progress here, and I'm happy you got sorted.
Very impressive work on Etienne's part of course. He is the vector god.  :shock:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on March 16, 2012, 02:26:05 PM
I am happy you took the original, nothing beats original Ully !

You do understand that i expect a highres scan of that bezel right  ;D ;)

The sources we had where not the best out there, and i have contacted some US guys with the same request, but noboy came through
(perhaps that is because they dont know me, or just simply dont want to take out theyre bezel, or dont have a scanner..)

Anyway, i really could use a scan of this to finish my file. (or build it again from scratch as amatter of fact  :D )

Another note, i appriciate it very much that you took the time to explane the story, and that is another reason not to feel betrayed as you call it.

I understand your feeling, but dont worry, thats what happens in life.

I had the same with the sidearts for CK, i just based and started on the sources i had and never expected to find someone with that sidearts.

after alot of work the opportunity popped up , and that means i needed to start all over again, but thats not a problem.
I do i as hobby and there are no deadlines, so, i dont see it as a problem  ;)

But thanks again for give me the credits   :P


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on March 16, 2012, 04:30:47 PM
It turned out really nice Ully, your little paint bottles look cool and another  :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace: for Etienne. :D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on March 16, 2012, 06:43:10 PM

back with the instruction card! just in time, rich@thisoldgame came out with reproductions of the IC, printed on the same type of material (some kind of thick plastic) and in the same color - wonderful job once again!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6839036600_75550a2ae0_b_d.jpg)

here it is, already attached to the back of the bezel

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6839037460_fee5f8a80d_b_d.jpg)

now let's see how this looks "on location" illuminated by those three small lamps from behind

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7036/6985156483_c83bc60a47_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6839037060_4b436a1464_b_d.jpg)

wonderful, just wonderful!!! :spaceace:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7194/6985154929_31b238d6b8_b_d.jpg)

not too much left to do and i'm finally done ... :)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on March 16, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6839037060_4b436a1464_b_d.jpg)

No Offence to rich ofcourse, but my vector is scharper  ;D ;D ;D

Looks great Ully with the lamps behind !


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on March 16, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
No Offence to rich ofcourse, but my vector is scharper  ;D ;D ;D

definitely, etienne! the question is: how would it come out on that thick plastic material?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on April 05, 2012, 06:41:47 PM

ok, before continuing with the restoration, let me tell you about the coin-up problem i had and how it was solved: remember, i couldn't add any credits via the coin switches, only by shorting the test switch with ground DIRECTLY on the board. this got me thinking that there might be something wrong with the pcb itself, although i had bought it as fully working from andy's arcade. by that time, toralf "timepilot" had found an untested jungle king pcb and he asked me if i could test it in my cab. sure, no problem! when i got it, i had to remove some wire connectors first which had been directly soldered onto the pcb, after that i plugged it in and all i got was a grey screen on the monitor. :(

so i examined the pcb a little bit closer (or better: the three pcbs stacked on top of each other) by screwing them apart and soon realized that the pcbs could never work because on board #2 and #3 various circuit paths had come loose and there was even a hole in one of the pcbs where someone had stuck a connector wire through! :evil:

this left me with board #1, the top board which also has the jungle king roms on top. the board looked ok and so i swapped it with andy arcade's board #1. plugged the entire boardset back into the connector harness, fired it up and it worked. well, the game had worked before as well, but what about the coin-up issue? shorted the test switch with ground - working. shorted coin switch one with ground - working!! shorted coin switch two with ground - working!!! WHAT??? really? am i dreaming? is this really happening? to make a long story short: the coin-up issue was caused by a faulty board i had bought as fully working, let's see if i can get some kind of refund from andy! 8)

with that problem fixed, there was something else i had to tackle: the coin door wiring harness! i had received this from anthony@quarterarcade, but as it turned out (a) it was not a jungle king harness (but one for qix) and (b) it wasn't working properly. i don't want to go into details on this, all i knew was that it had to be replaced by a real jungle king coin door harness. i got in touch with a guy named pete on klov, he's a taito expert and he agreed to send me a jungle king harness (along with two coin counters) in exchange for my qix harness. thx pete!!! deal done, after waiting anxiously for the stuff to arrive here's what was waiting for me at my doorstep two days ago :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7090/6901965378_976724c34f_b_d.jpg)

inside: vintage arcade parts & wires?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7190/7048058345_db7d6ce01e_b_d.jpg)

check!!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7242/7048056561_bdf2edf527_b_d.jpg)

now all i had to do is exchange the old coin door harness with the new one

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7205/7048060103_9a54688f5c_b_d.jpg)

two more wires to go and i'm done!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7136/6901964802_931d16e5ee_b_d.jpg)

this left me with the task of adjusting the coin mechs for my tokens - something i had never done before with those plastic mechs

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/7048057667_791aa85181_b_d.jpg)

as always, remove the moving parts (the cradles) first

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7251/7048056909_54033a6f9a_b_d.jpg)

unfortunately, my tokens are slightly bigger than the coin drop ...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/6901964156_19c36fd8e7_b_d.jpg)

... so i had to get out the rasp to make them fit!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/6901966548_9972cc8704_b_d.jpg)

at the bottom of the coin mech is a chute with a flap which rejects wrong coins

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7190/7048060845_9c2157e893_b_d.jpg)

on metal coin mechs, that flap needs to be straightened, but since this is a plastic mech i can't just simply hit it with a hammer - i hit it with heat instead!!! :P

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7204/7048061099_fdc4a7a7b5_b_d.jpg)

it ain't pretty, but it's working flawlessly now!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7058/7048060641_26cf3e789a_b_d.jpg)

last thing to do is exchange those 25 cent coin inserts for the ones that etienne has made for me (thx dude for your fast job)!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7260/7048059443_e8db48f7fb_b_d.jpg)

let there be light!!! :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/6901963364_4f07c637b9_b_d.jpg)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on April 05, 2012, 06:52:13 PM
Those coin inserts came out great!

And i am happy that the coin issue is solved.  :spaceace:

I could not imagine that the pins that used to be for the coinage did not work.

In general it is always shorting the pin that is "coin" with ground.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on April 05, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
I could not imagine that the pins that used to be for the coinage did not work. In general it is always shorting the pin that is "coin" with ground.

somewhere on the board there's a fault, because the program doesn't register me shorting the pins! but for now i honestly don't care, because everything's working. well, almost everything i have to say: one of the two coin mechs doesn't work (that is: increase by one when adding a credit). i've also tried another counter, same problem. is there anything i can measure to find out what's wrong?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on April 05, 2012, 07:56:05 PM
yes, i think the switch of coin insert number 2 needs to "short" ground with the pin on the board.

as that is working, i would beep the wire that goes to the non working coinswitch.
there must be a break or something.

try to "short" the connectors on the switch and see if it coins up, maybe the switch is broken ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on April 06, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
you got me wrong, etienne, the program does register credits on both coin mechs, it's just that one of the coin counters doesn't increase +1 (if you know what i mean)!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on April 06, 2012, 05:02:08 PM
Ah

Try to switch the coin counters, and see if the problem moves to the other side, if yes, your counter is broken.  ;)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on April 06, 2012, 05:25:14 PM
Try to switch the coin counters, and see if the problem moves to the other side, if yes, your counter is broken.  ;)

already did that, already tried another counter - nothing!!!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on April 06, 2012, 06:13:34 PM

i realized that i had forgotten to add something when reassembling the cabinet: those wooden triangles which give the game some additional stability!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7225/6904833018_74b8d8327d_b_d.jpg)

most of them were either missing or broken, so i asked a school colleague of mine to cut me some fresh ones - and he did! :o ;D

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5031/6904834818_5e75bce0ec_b_d.jpg)

let's line them up nicely ...

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5234/7050925011_ea5609d136_b_d.jpg)

... to hit them with some fresh layers of paint!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/7050924197_bb8cb7bf82_b_d.jpg)

to be able to finish my restoration, i was still missing one crucial piece of the puzzle: a junge king marquee! those things are really hard to come by, especially in great shape, so i was thrilled when rav told me he had one and i could have it for free (plus the shipping costs). so one day a nice flat package was waiting for me right on my doorstep when i got home from school!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7228/7050954927_7a6f073812_b_d.jpg)

anxiously i ripped it open only to find this :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/6904865416_e6c30eca78_b_d.jpg)

damn, must have been a communication error between dom and myself - so close, but so far away! nevertheless thx a lot for your effort and your help, dom, it was really appreciated!!!

after that, i turned my attention to the american market and after some serious digging i was able to source not only one, but two jungle king marquees. i was told they were not in perfect shape (they never are), but usable on a game. so i bought both of them and had them delivered by the TATS (= transatlantic arcade transport system) last week (along with some other stuff, for example a mario bros widebody marquee).

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5192/6904832764_e2b9f0dc19_b_d.jpg)

jungle king marquees come in two different versions: glass and plexi - i had one of each! let's examine the glass marquee first - here's its backside. you can clearly see that there's already a lot of paint missing :'(

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/6904831214_cd162b5d18_b_d.jpg)

let's see what it looks like when i hold it up against the light :arrow:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5198/7050919015_96d93df02a_b_d.jpg)

hmm, i'm not to happy with that. it might still look good on a wall, but backlight on a game? :-[

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/6904831004_541e640f99_b_d.jpg)

what about the plexi marquee? bad news as well, someone must have tried to clean it with corrosive stuff, because the surface is bumpy and full of really deep scratches! :evil:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5320/6904830558_3f2204d1e9_b_d.jpg)

this doesn't look too good, does it?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7083/7050921937_ded3edbd29_b_d.jpg)

i tried my very best to get those damages removed by using an orbital sander, sanding paper and novus polish, but the best i could come up with is this :arrow:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7041/6904829864_1da0ef5700_b_d.jpg)

i could have gone further with this, but apart from the obvious damage on the front the paint on the back is also cracking all over the marquee :arrow:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5458/7050918539_7a4db92f86_b_d.jpg)

i would not have called either of the marquees "usable on a game", but they're better than nothing and until i can find a nice replacement i will be using the plexi marquee because all in all in looks better when backlight than the glass version.

this goes out to you guys: if you have a better jungle king marquee or know someone who does, please let me know!!!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on April 06, 2012, 08:15:01 PM
Ill need more info on the counter issue, pics from the wires and so would help  ;)

Crackled paint is part of the soul Ully  ;) :D

Better than nothing, and its original!

Or.... you could do a highres scan.... ::)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on April 07, 2012, 09:23:48 AM

after a restoration process of almost two years, i am happy to announce the end of the jungle king project. there are some minor things to do like applying new alu stickers (in case they show up :P) or attaching the wiring harness inside at various spots (still waiting for the huge cable fixes that heavy harness needs), but apart from that the end has finally come. and as always, here are the money shots!!!

right side: before ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/4882570239_703d8e24b5_b_d.jpg)

... and after!

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5192/7050804713_688e0cc5bd_b_d.jpg)

left side: before ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4883176856_d6414369b0_b_d.jpg)

... and after!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7126/6904713072_c08dc50c13_b_d.jpg)

the front: before ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4883177870_8e99551080_b_d.jpg)

... and after!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7079/6904711040_75c8d3c60b_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/6904713546_da6600083c_b_d.jpg)

a look inside before ...

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4882571817_0cc9ccb192_b_d.jpg)

and a look inside after!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7120/7050804209_2eda7cce3c_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/6904712168_2b5c79dd17_b_d.jpg)

some more random shots to show the beauty of this game! :-*

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7089/6904712576_033657e550_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7279/6904711384_3f32b7ee61_b_d.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7226/7050803213_1a626d9edb_b_d.jpg)

and in case you ever get bored of jungle king, why not try the board game jungle hunt - waiting for you right on top of the cabinet! 8)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7081/7050802179_2ee955aaf9_b_d.jpg)

as always, thx a lot to all of the guys on this forum for your support, your help, your comments and your input - i would not have been able to finish this without you!!!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: scr33n on April 07, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Awesome restoration Ully - as always  :-* :-* :-*


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Belike on April 07, 2012, 09:50:57 AM
Amazing result and a last minute save from the dumpster. :D :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Arch on April 07, 2012, 10:22:57 AM
Amazing and inspiring!  :)
Ten thumbs up!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on April 07, 2012, 10:36:39 AM
I am speechless !  what a difference!

it was alot of work and headache but it is totally worth it !

RESPECT !  :spaceace:



Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: muddymusic on April 07, 2012, 12:12:22 PM
Fantastic work, that's an incredible transformation from the cab you started with  :)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: McVenco on April 07, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
Epic restauration, I tip my hat to you sir!  :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: gyruss on April 07, 2012, 01:10:18 PM
Incredible!  :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: DarthNuno on April 07, 2012, 01:24:27 PM
As said many times on this topic ... Awesome job on this one!  The before/after pictures talk by themselves!
Many thanks for sharing this great story with us, with all the details and so many pictures.
This cabinet and this topic has now entered in the 'Arcade Renovation' legend  :)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/news/Jungle_Done.jpg)

Headline!!!!

 :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Digimon on April 07, 2012, 03:53:13 PM
Respect!

It a very nice cab.


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: funkycochise on April 07, 2012, 06:22:10 PM
Gorgeous results (http://www.gamoover.net/Forums/Smileys/guntar/kiss.gif)

Didn't came on that topic for a while. Took me about half an hour to achieve reading this incredible restauration.
You really deserve a such beautiful result, after so many time of hard work and disappointment.

Finally, you did it !!

(http://www.gamoover.net/Forums/Smileys/guntar/happyjump.gif)


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: gyruss on April 22, 2012, 06:19:36 PM
Did you know there was another version of the game besides jungle hunt called Pirate Pete?

http://youtu.be/vUxPUwSrL1Y

The differences between this game and Jungle King are :
* An opening musical theme is used in certain parts of the game instead of the opening Tarzan yell.
* The player character is a heroic pirate instead of the Tarzan character (he swings on ropes between ship's masts instead of vines between trees, swims through a shark-infested ocean instead of a crocodile-infested river).
* The enemies on the fourth level are sword-wielding pirates instead of spear-chucking cannibals.

Would be pretty cool to own all 3 boards and swap them from time to time..


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Superully on April 22, 2012, 07:57:02 PM
Did you know there was another version of the game besides jungle hunt called Pirate Pete?

i did, because shawn "phetishboy" on the KLOV forum had been looking for artwork for this thing for ages - without success. he finally gave up and sold his board. no real artwork ever surfaced! it's a shame, because the pirate them is cool as hell :twisted:


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: EvilDindon on October 13, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
Hey superully.

Sorry to bump this out, but I plan to build from scratch a 7/10 scale Taito cab, and I'm missing some dimensions :

- The two control panel boards,
- The speakers board (the one above the screen)

Could you measure these for me please ?


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Laschek on October 14, 2013, 09:37:37 AM
superelly

 ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Tyrem on October 14, 2013, 09:45:34 AM

miss superelly, please!


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: EvilDindon on October 14, 2013, 12:53:23 PM
Correction done.
 ;D


Title: Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
Post by: Laszo on October 17, 2013, 06:50:04 AM
 :o :o perfect