Hehe.. damn you, Level! Don't be so religious. Ok, let's take Star Wars '83 as en example. The Amplifone xy-monitor is a display device for vector games, meaning that several other vector games could be displayed on this monitor. However, since the Star War's hardware is dependant on that particular monitor (there aren't many monitors this game can use), I would call it original for the game.

In the case of Galaxian 3, you could, if you wanted, crunch the whole thing into a 2x CRT monitor cabinet, like the cabinet for Darius by Taito, the sound can be mixed into two channels, and the game could be played with analog joysticks in a much smaller environment. What makes G3 such a large enterprise is its cinema theme with projectors and multi-channel audio. However, nothing of that is original for the game. You can use any projector, any audio-system, that you please for the G3.

As for any lag in projectors, well, consider the game's property then. It is 60Hz, in 60 fps. The lag you mention will never be relevant within these frequencies.

I'm curious about the artifacting you mention. Please, explain more?

Picture size: Ok, this could be a problem. So before selecting a projector (have you ever been shopping for a projector?) you need to consider the picture size VS throw distance. This is always thoroughly described in the specifications in every handbook.

Have you ever compared an older CRT projector with a DLP, or LCD from 2010+?
To restore a CRT projector to better shape, it is required that you replace certain capacitors that have been close to hot spots, as well as all three R, G, B electron guns. This is not exactly cheap.

"I would trust the Namco PSU's in there now with the caps of that era a lot more than crappy china built PSU from today."

-  good point. 1999-2007 was the "bad-caps" era. But remember that every capacitor, chinese or japanese, has got its estimated life time. After that it's a gamble to leave it in the equipment. It could damage your game.

Btw, Level, have you made a cap-swap in your Star Wars yet?

Your point of "making the image better" is nonsense to me as... the whole retro arcade thing is to get the original crappy image.

if you want to play some pacman with a bright clear image you can juste use a mame with some 27" LED projector at 4k resolution, OR play the real thing on a real arcade with the original feeling,
it's the same here, the game was made for these things, not for the 2000 lumens with high contract the DLP projector have. it's not just display devices, it's part of the original game.

As for the "it will be costly to change things in there" i really doubt that some caps cost as much as an DLP or LCD projector lamp (or even a mod).

Episode 2 : "A Real Live One", now available in video



 

You just unlocked a live acheivement, great job!

The biggest problem (if the CPU boards boot correctly now) could be the tritube projectors, as i know, they are pretty rare nowadays, as everybody use LCD/triLCD and DLP projectors... if it really goes wrong, you always can try to use some projector with VGA or SCART input and try to make some adapter for this, but... it's not the best solution. (and to double check if the GT6 use 15khz or 30khz signal, as some projectors doesn't support 15khz anymore...

Quote from: DarthNuno on February 24, 2013, 04:50:46 PM

Don't miss the 'pac-man/Disney' kill screen after the generic.   

At the end of the credits? I could not stand the credit music, so I left.

Same here... nice movie anyway, loved the little references to other video games.

So.....

What's left?

Turning it on
Arcade party

Profit

That's strange nobody made a thread about it

it's a arcade mysterious game that, as the legend says, made the players have amnesia, motion sickness or nightmares.
Looks like a early name for a tempest prototype that was know to give motion sickness.

There's more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybius_%28video_game%29
http://www.coinop.org/g.aspx/103223/Polybius.html
http://www.joltcountry.com/polybius.html

Thanks guys for your support on this!  

Quote from: Jason42 on January 07, 2013, 09:10:42 PM

just a question: what inputs the projectors have? i mean... the G3, a desktop with dual vga output, a couch in front of the players... space desktop (or home theater)

In very short, there are two laser disc players sending the left + right signal (via BNC) into a special board (along all the boards that run the game) called 'V-MIX'. These two laser disc players produce the background of the game (CGI graphics, at the top of the technology back in 1994).
In addition of the background image (left+right), there are 2 set of boards in charge of computing the enemy ships and all the mechanic of the game. Why 2 set of boards? Well one set per screen! Left and Right! So each set of boards are sending the images processed (via usual RGB signal) into the same 'V-MIX' than the one used by both laser disc players. Do you still follow?  
OK, so the purpose of that unique 'V-MIX' board is ... to mix the images sent by the LD player and the images sent by the two set of boards, and produce two final video signals to send to the 2 projectors. The input of the projectors are 4 BNC for a native RGBS signal coming twice from the V-MIX board.   A true piece of technology at the time!

Looks like the V-Mix board just use SCART signals for the game and Composite for the background, and giving SCART signals to the projectors... Yep, a true piece of technology.
(in case of debug, you can make a BNC to SCART, it may work...)

Love that tech stuff.

So, do you plan using the original projectors or are you going to try and hook up some new one's ?

I guess at least the light intensity would be a lot better on new one's. Also the CRT one's can have convergence problems and they eat a lot of power....

Do you even know if they still work ?

Normally I'm all for keeping things original, but I played Daytona2 on the full-motion version and that one had the projectors replaced by modern day beamers and the picture was simply amazing....

(Sorry if any of that info is already on here....I love this thread but some things I forgot/didn't read   )

I don't think there's modern projector that use SCART input (and, making a upscaler to use VGA inputs are really costy and painful (if you want to do it yourself)) (you maybe want to take projector you can mod, it may save a lot of money by not buying 2*$300 of lamps each 2000hours )

Level42, you need to be twice as fast as the game to master it. About 2½ cups of coffee will do it.

I would try to  use the original projectors as these are CRT types and as such have the best performance compared to any LCD or DLP projectors today, even if the new projectors have better brightness and colors. The convergence can surely be adjusted if need be.

That "v-mix" PCB seems like the Gen-lock for the Amiga, I remember. A Video-mixing hardware that merges the layers together, sort of like putting subtitles into a film. The G3 is simply a dual screen laser game, and could infact be set up similarly like the Darius by Taito, that is if Bruno would like a smaller version of G3 later when he decides to open a karate dojo for girls only in his gym.

Or the raster bender from furrtek http://furrtek.free.fr/?p=crea&a=rastbend

Quote from: baddy on December 03, 2012, 01:30:23 AM

On a totally unrelated topic, Nuno, where did you get your peanut butter M&M's ? Can't find them anywhere, last time I had some I had to ask an american friend to bring some to me. I live in the UK now, they don't have it either

Well spotted 
We've done a 'group buy' with colleagues in my office for these!  Otherwise I cannot find them too in Belgium...it's a shame, peanut butter rulez!!! 

Unless you see the reeses' peanut butter lip stick... :p