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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2011, 07:55:20 PM »
Better close-up of one of those connectors. The pins are much smaller than what is commonly used on US cabs, and why not, the videogames didn't draw as much current as the (old) pinball machines did...


The brand is Bicc - Burndy...can't find anything about them on the net though....


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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2011, 08:13:24 PM »
This asterock is comming back to life !

Looking good Andre !

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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2011, 08:16:39 PM »
There MUST be NOS CRT's in Europe, but WHERE ?!?!?

Indeed i have a quotation a few month ago for this one here in France

 Poste Qte' Designation                          Prix UHT   Total HT                Delai


   1      1 M47EAA5WS                              85.00             1 Semaine ARC

            CATHODE RAY TUBE

            Stock Etats-Unis

            

                                                   Total      85.00

 

            Frais de port en sus, expedition par UPS Standard, soit 69 euros

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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2011, 11:25:56 PM »
Mmmmmmm, VERY interesting !!

I see that  M47EAA19WS = 19varp4 (the original Elektrohome tube),

but what would the difference between M47EAA19WS and M47EAA5WS be ??

Not too keen about the UPS shipping though, would much prefer regular post !!!

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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2011, 08:19:50 AM »
yes I planned to buy 1 or 2 of them for future project..

As you can see on the datasheet

M= monitor Application
32= minimum viewable diagonal screen in cm
EAA = family Code
0 = Code for glass & screen surface treatment and others - see below
WW = Screen phosphor




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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2011, 09:19:15 AM »
Mmmm, OK not everything means something to me (like ISL) and just why must it be 19 that is omitted in that list ;) but I guess those are differences that hardly make any impact (f.i. a different phosphor _would_ make a difference....

Also 5 means Normal Glare and Tint, sounds fine to me :P

Seeing the French text, do they ship from France ? Would you get a better shipping price if you order more tubes (Not sure how UPS service is in France, but in the US they have the worst reputation amongst arcade collectors for breaking stuff)....
Also 69 Euro's seems to be very expensive for a domestic shipping that size ?

Anyway, I'm definitely seriously interested. I mean, a new crispy tube would be a dream for my Asterock, even though the current one isn't half bad. But knowing that this tube will probably last another 30 years would be quite comforting. Also: it would be a great practice to do a B/W tube swap first, before starting on the more ambitious Amplifone swap for Ckong :P

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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2011, 09:25:04 AM »
Thinking one step further: maybe there would be interest enough for a group-buy ??

I mean, there are more b/w vector owners around Europe.......and we've done crazier things (like the monitor Group buy from Ireland :P).....
Any idea how many they still have on stock ? We should be able to get a pretty good discount for helping them clear out their old stock that nobody wants ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2011, 09:31:27 AM »
I'd be definitely interested in a (couple) of 19VARP4 replacement CRTs.

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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2011, 09:39:27 AM »
shipping from US stock, it was on february 2011 no stock in Europe at this date.

Only a quote for a few part so no discount at this time, for a group by order  - we need a clearer idea of the number for a quote, I think we could save at least on shipping costs.

monitor for 'Cabaret cab' available too, color XY monitor not available of course  :!:.
 
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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2011, 04:44:17 PM »
Ah rats....I'd hoped those were stocked in France....or somewhere else in Europe....

Importing them adds a LOT to the costs, ask CKONG or Speleo.....

Still maybe we can arrange a pallet (or two) full of them ? That might actually save on costs.....we'd need to rally up about all B/W vector game owners in Europe though...

"Color XY monitor not available of course" ? Well, about any low-res color tube of the right size should work. But of course, you won't have the medium resolution of the original Amplifone, if that's what you mean ;)

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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2011, 06:40:38 PM »


"Color XY monitor not available of course" ? Well, about any low-res color tube of the right size should work. But of course, you won't have the medium resolution of the original Amplifone, if that's what you mean ;)

I was talking about the 19VLUP22.

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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2011, 07:13:20 PM »
That's the low-res WG6100 tube. Should be possible to replace with about any color CRT tube that is compatible...

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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2011, 05:48:05 AM »
Anyway, I checked with the e-bay source for that B/W tube and apart from being more expensive to start with, he also quoted a shipping price of $225,- per UPS !!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

So, both the price and the shipping costs are very reasonable from your source.....

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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2011, 09:54:55 PM »
Some more pics I forgot earlier:



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The two different buttons from Sidam, one with and one without LED:






If ANYONE has a source for one WITH LED, please let me know, as I'd prefer to install the original one's instead of the "Atari" one's....

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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2011, 10:30:59 PM »
Now.....there's a "dilema"....well not really.

The thing is that, long time ago, before I even owned the Meteor or Asterock, I had the opportunity to buy an untested Asteroids PCB for a very nice price. I took a chance, and when I brought it with me to Speleo on our first visit to him, I asked if he could test it on his Asteroids cocktail.
He first gave it a good visual inspection and then asked me where I got it from....I told him, and he said that he had repaired that very board earlier !!!

And indeed it was working 100% :)

So....now....since I really do not like the fire sound  (the "new" Atari speaker made it a tiny bit better, but it's still annoying as hell) and I really mis the fire sound of the saucers I was thinking about using the original Asteroids PCB in the Asterock. Of course this had to be a 100% reversible solution... (By the way, there is another BIG reason for wanting to run an original Asteroids PCB, and that is the (hopefully soon available) Asteroids 3in1 kit that has Asteroids, AD AND Lunar Lander (!!!) on it...plus of course extra's like free play and hi-score saving....

So, the first thing you check if you want to do this, is of course check if the Sidam PCB might be pin-compatible.
Checking out the schematics soon indicated that although both have 22 pins per side, they are completely different.

And not only that, there were even some "major" differences in the electronics.

The fist one was the handling of the buttons and coin-mech switches etc. Almost EVERY game around, has inputs for those switches and you need to short (close) them to ground to activate the input. In a (futile) try to make Asterock "different" from the original, Sidam decided to let all the switches be operated by putting a +23V signal on them. Yes I couldn't really believe it at first either, but it's true..

Now...this would mean a major problem of course. Would I have to "invert/convert" that signal or make other changes to the PCB, I really didn't want that. SOoooo, I checked the manual again, and the solution turned out to be very simple. The +23V is a "shared" line that runs to all the contacts. Sooo, if I would connect GND to that line instead of the +23V it should simply work !

The second problem is that Astroids "wants" 36VAC on two pins. On the game PCB that voltage is rectified to DC using a diode bridge and filtered with a cap. This results in about +22V and -22V, which are fed to 78xx and 79xx voltage regulators to create various voltages for (amongst others) the vector DAC's.

Now...the Sidam engineers decided this was something that belonged on the Power Supply section (and I agree) so they put the rectifiers and filter cab on the PSU and so instead of +36VAC, +23V and -23V (never mind the 1 voltage difference, it's unregulated anyway) onto the game PCB...

So....instead of having 36 VAC available, I have +23V and -23V available. But wait a minute I need that voltage right behind the bridge rectifier
 on the Asteroids PCB !!

So....should I make bypasses ? No, please NO modifications to either the harness or PCB....

Mmmm, than I thought about how some people "hack" a DC voltage PSU to f.i. Galaxian or Pac Man PCB's.....they simple connect it to the AC inputs ! And I thought this should also be possible in this situation.

Why this (should !) work ?

Well...check the schematics again:



Of course the Asteroids PCB "expects" AC on the inputs, but if I connect the +23VDC to pin X, and -23VDC on pin 20 it should simply work.
From x, the + voltage will go through CR11 and hey, there is where we need +22VDC ! (Green arrow).
The diode actually helps lowering the voltage a little bit, so we should be safe !

Also, the + voltage from pin X should be BLOCKED by CR10, so that's safe too. (Red Arrow)

On the other side, the -23VDC should be passing through CR9, while being blocked by CR12, so we'd have -23VDC on the 7915 input too.
(I didn't draw arrows for this, to keep things clear, but it works the same, but reversed as described above...)

The caps simple provide a little bit of extra filtering which never harms :)

So in theory I think this should work great .....(if someone sees a reason why it shouldn't, please give a shout ! :P


So....in the end.....all I have to do is make an adapter ! Great !!!

I made a little table with what goes to what....now all I need to do is build it ! :)


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