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Asterock your baby !
« on: April 25, 2011, 10:46:39 PM »
Yes people slow and funky that was Rock your Baby (http://youtu.be/arxhW1RgDDo) but not for Asterock !

The more I say it, the weirder that name sounds....Aste-rock....It's like, saying a word and certainly taking a wrong exit.....WTF.....oooh well....

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So, following the final repair (see the Technical Section) in the electronics of this wonderful machine I decided to fully strip to machine to give it an extreme cleaning inside and out.

While working on this cab it was fun to discover some of the differences between European and US (or Irish ;)) cabs. Some of them are definitely better, some worse....I'll comment along the way.... Of course the first thing is that everything is METRIC THANK GOD ! :D

Well everything......of course not, the G05-802 monitor is still a Canadian product and Canada hadn't switched to metric then.... Anyway let's go:

First I removed the marquee. It's glass (good !). Ever since my small disaster with the Berzerk bezel I'm a bit scared of cleaning stuff too rigorously. So I carefully started with still some "bootleg" Glassex. Works great....needs pretty firm toweling to get the yukkie nicotine and whatever that may be away, but it cleans up very nicely. The paint is VERY sturdy, no problems at all.


Turned out minty !



Next I removed the TL-panel. Nice, a decent FIXTURE !! and a generally available tube size, woohoo  +1 for the Euro cab.


Already kinda' suspected there would be a Philips tube in there, but "Made in Japan" ?? Weird.....they were still Made in Holland then too (even now)that would be closer to Italy, but whatever....of course the tube is bust.


I'll pick up a new tube tomorrow. I've learned to use COOL white in marquees, the colors are fresher with a COOL white tube. Not unimportant: they are also cheaper.

Now, of course, right behind the TL panel was the speaker. I had already some thought about why the sound was so bad, and it turned out I was right. Here's the speaker cover....but what are those brown paper-like things....?


Yuppppp, just like I thought: the conus edge it completely disintegrated:


End Of Line for this baby I'm afraid....

Now, I've got a spare one from the SW cockpit, but it's a bit bigger:


Now mind you ! This certainly doesn't mean it's also BETTER. The Asterock speaker was actually HEAVIER then the Atari one. The magnet was really big, so the quality was probably not THAT bad....

With some luck I can fit the Atari speaker, the original was bolted in and I could easily remove them. I can use some small screw from the top to fix the Atari speaker.


« Last Edit: April 25, 2011, 10:50:06 PM by Level42 »

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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 11:15:07 PM »
The speaker grill. Plastic and "home made" !





They were efficient guys in Torino though, they used the same grill as vent covers:


No resto-thread is complete without some really dirty pics. First I'd thought to leave the plastic vent-inlets (at the bottom) and pulling grips (at the top) (again,the same plastics doubling in function) in there and just vacuum them, but I though, hardcore is hardcore, so out they go !
Good decision:




Those two were the inlets on the lower area, so if anyone doubts the "chimney" system of cooling in a cab works.....you bet !

Let's open the CP. That very weird, but OHH-SO smart CP. Because think about it: WHAT is the thing that ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS...(yes, ALWAYS) needs to be replaced because of cigarette burns ? Indeed the CPO !!!
So those smart Italians thought: how can we prevent that ? How can we make sure, that when Level42 buys this cab for his collection and wants to "restore" it, he doesn't have to scan in the CP, have several people from all over the globe work on the artwork and have it printed somewhere, all in all taking about 3 years to finish.....

Ahhhhaaaaa smart thinking guys ! And Muchas Gracias !!! (O fuck, that's Spanish) GRAZIE MILLE SIGNORI !!

Because although it may be a WEIRD idea to double the CP as an ashtray (it really isn't one, because the ashes simply fall on the floor, but still) but it WORKED great.
Although of course it got as dirty as the average smokers lungs after 31 years, contraty to those lungs, we _can_ clean those CP parts.

By the way, the brilliancy of the CP, is not just that ashtray idea, the "folding in" of the buttons is another extremely smart idea, and after having played it quite a few times now, I can safely say that it TOTALLY beats the original Atari CP. +2 for the Euro machine !

OF course, there is even a THIRD big PRO about this CP set-up, it saves LOADS of useless space like needed on the DEEEEEEEP original CP. +3 for the Bootleg !!

Sooo, I hear you say, is it true, can this be Asteroids heaven ? Well....of course, just as our famous football GOD always says: with every advantage, there is a disadvantage.
Being the Hyperspace button.

OK, let's face it, which moron thought that it was a wise idea to make a completely different and WAY too small button the Hyperspace ? OK, I'm the first to admit that I am ALWAYS too late with Hyperspace anyway, but this sure isn't helping.

The worst thing about it though, is it's position. I mean, it's there. On top. All the other buttons are below....so how on earth are you supposed to operate the damn thing, with your......uhm......NOSE ???  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OK, so enough talk, you want pics. Through the coin-door I have to unscrew two wingnuts (maybe not as comfortable as latches, but still better then regular nuts as on the Puckman bootleg) and the CP opens:


Thank God, leaf buttons for all the important stuff, and I really like the flashy Atari vulcano buttons in the front (not pictured here).


Removed the CP and here we see the "fall-through" for the ashes.


Remove that plate and.......eeeuuuwww...:


There should be this text on every cigarette package:
WARNING: SMOKING CAUSES SERIOUS DAMAGE TO YOUR ARCADE GAMES

I'm very sure everybody will quite when they read that :)

Anyway, here's 31 years of smoking by an Asterock, the inside of the "cover plate".


« Last Edit: April 25, 2011, 11:20:06 PM by Level42 »

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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 12:21:08 AM »
So, I got out the bootleg Magic Eraser sponges, and did my very best:


Without power tools, this is good as it gets. I'm happy.


Of course I had removed the coin door. The coin-door looks very nice, I like the kind of vinyl look that it has. I'm also not annoyed by the sticker at all, I think it's fine there, it's still in nice shape, and the Seeburg and Bally logo just add a bit to the "real deal feel".


The bad thing though, was that the coin door was hanging half-way (well not that bad) out of the cabinet. When I removed it, I had to unscrew only 1 bolt !
The reason was clear when I turned it over:


Take a good look, and you will see that the threaded studs are all broken off, but one. This means that either the door was vandalized (unlikely, there are no dents or damage on the front) OR the studs were welded in buy a guy who had previously been working in the Alfasud factory.....(I think the US guys won't get this one..... ;D)

Here you see one of the spots were a stud used to be. I found two of them in the cab....still including nuts...


I'm no expert, but this looks like poor welding to me.

Anyway, this causes a serious problem: How am I going to fix that ? I'm thinking about using a "cold-welding" method, since real welding is out of the question because that would damage the front side.

Anyway, there are some interesting details about this rather weird and definitely rare coin door:

First: the lamps:

Pretty weird set-up, as if the lamps never would have to be changed.I haven't checked if they're still working (too bright sunlight :P)

« Last Edit: April 26, 2011, 12:22:54 AM by Level42 »

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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 10:41:44 AM »
Looks like you are going to need Locktite for that coindoor bolts:



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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 03:57:52 PM »
I was more thinking about this:

http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2011, 03:20:06 PM »
....and bought it here:

 http://cgi.ebay.nl/JB-WELD-WORLDS-FINEST-COLD-WELD-2-X-28-4G-/250800962235?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3a64e6fabb#ht_1369wt_1141

There were some guys on Marktplaats but they were more expensive even without shipping...

If all customer reviews are true this should be some kind of miracle stuff ;)


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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 03:31:12 PM »
I just had a good look at the CP (can't do much more, home sick). Clearly the left and right buttons are still the original one's. The one's on the right "Jet" & "Fire" are clearly not original, the poor leafs are bent WAAYYY to much....the buttons are longer. But you can already see the difference from the top. The left one's have thicker edges and smaller buttons compared to the right two.




But there's more. The P1 & P2 buttons are different too !  P1 is a really big switch on the inside. The top cover (the lens) is rounded. The one on the P2 looks exactly like a regular Atari cone button, with a "sharp" edge and flat top on the lense, and a different cone.

Now, I actually think the P1 is the original one. I think this because the Hyperspace button is exactly the same, even though that one is not lit.

It'll be interesting to find out what kind of switches the originals are exactly, but I'll have to dissemble them and I really don't have the energy for that now...

I can still upload some pics from last weekend....
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Re: Asterock your baby !
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 03:39:27 PM »
Yes, this machine definitely was a good earner....



NSFW, naked pics coming up !




More dirty pics, the bottom with the PSU removed.


Very familiar PSU, now outside the cab. The bad thing is they probably had burning edge connectors on that PCB so decided to solder everything. Maybe a factory mod, maybe an operator mod. I think the first, because the edge "fingers" do not have any burn damage at all.

See those 5 big caps ? That's the Sidam solution instead of using a big single cap like the Big Blue. Makes sense IMHO.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 03:50:22 PM »
The board that carries the 2N3055 transistor plus the cooling body.


I checked again the loose staples. There is an impact mark on the wood so I guess they were shot correctly during production and thus the board must have come (made) loose later.


Anyway, let's fix this:


Let's get the bootleg Magical Erasers to work...


Not entirely white yet, but I have to be carefull, the paint is really coming off a bit if I work too hard....


Before:


After:


Notice the screening misalignment...

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 03:54:39 PM »
Funny, this metal strip is between the coin door and the "kick" area" and it still has some of it's protective foil on there ! :)


Very nice after the Magic Eraser work, IMHO:


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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 04:10:58 PM »
Looking good andre !

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 04:18:27 PM »
Yes I agree !! The machine is still in nice condition, very lucky about that. We're going to have to scan everything of course !! :)

The bezel is glass too. Very simple design, piece of cake for you ;) ;)

Of course the CPO still has some dirty parts/and some minor damage. The red/blue/white "blocks" on the front are worn on the top (from hands).  Not sure if I would replace it when scanned/ repro-ed....maybe, maybe not....


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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 05:03:16 PM »
Found this CPO pic on Speleo's site:


Looks like originally all buttons were white, so I'll go for that too. They also look to be positioned really "flat" (what I like)....

My cab doesn't have this regretfully:



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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 05:06:23 PM »
Mmmm, this one DOES have an edge connector....



But this machine only had about 7000 games compared to over 40000 on mine :P

All those pics are from www.andysarcade.de by the way !!!!

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2011, 10:16:09 PM »
One aspect I hadn't mentione before. The connectors.



I'm not really sure what kind of connectors these are, but they are GREAT !!!!

Compared to the usual AMP connectors used by f.i. Atari, which you can hardly get from eachother after so many years, these simply open VERY smoothly indeed. You simply press the "hooks" so you can release it and there is no huge force required as on the AMP's.  Another +1 for the bootleg !!!  ;D ;D

Another small, but handy detail: they used "clip-style" wire harness holders. So you don't have to cut any tie-raps to remove the wiring anywhere. Honestly there are some exceptions, but these look like retro-fits. It's great to be able to take out the wiring this way for cleaning of course ! :)

Yes, another +1 for the Asterock :)

Back to work, cleaned and checked out the fluorescent fixture:


I have to say that this looks very sturdy and up to European standards. I often find the way those were set-up in US cabs look rather clumsy, maybe not even electrically safe...

Also, nice to see a 220V balast for a change :P And it's in a nice isolation layer....also typical Euro I guess ?


Ah, now we're talking. The starter is Philips also, but from Holland this time. Look at that lovely late 70's orange color ;)


Both ballast and starter are still fine, already had tested another tube and it worked great.