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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2011, 09:24:57 PM »
am i the only other one who understands the 'drive talkin' thread title?  :!:

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2011, 09:44:31 PM »
am i the only other one who understands the 'drive talkin' thread title?  :!:

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2011, 10:12:29 PM »
am i the only other one who understands the 'drive talkin' thread title?  :!:
Euhh no, i have the song in my head since Andre posted this  ;D

I cant get it out of my head  ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVjITlgqlHo&feature=related

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2011, 10:42:21 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2011, 10:55:12 PM »
This is a video...

http://youtu.be/XBw25CrUS-o

Listen to that build up in the beginning. A song with a real intro !!

It's funny, my mum was a fan of them in their "Massachusetts" and "lonely  days" era and used to play an (then already) old record often.
I thought they sounded old-fashioned. And then they came up with this......followed by all the other brilliant songs....and then I and my brother were fans :)

Now I love all the old stuff too...

Whenever I'm in Massachusetts (where my relatives live) I keep having that song in my head :) !

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2011, 08:29:05 PM »
Rumor has it there is a Hard Drivin' saturday coming up !  ;D

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2011, 11:08:23 PM »
goodluck guys !

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2011, 01:34:25 PM »
Look what the mail man got for me today

 

Got the feeling it can be useful Saturday

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2011, 01:35:31 PM »
talk about Right on time delivery  ;D

Do you have a vga momitor for testing or will we use the extreme testing device ;)

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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2011, 01:48:22 PM »
Have a nice spare lcd computer screen
The easiest way I think  ;D

Also got a nice lcd television yesterday For testing only missing the power supply :? I noticed when I came home

So yes this one is right on time

The signs are good for tomorrow

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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 03:42:45 PM »
They were ! :)

We had a great day and I'd like to thank Polder and Robin very very much for their help !!!

We first hooked up the Gonbes CGA/EGA to VGA converter and a VGA LCD. The thing is a brilliant little device for an amazingly low price !
However, when you buy it, the menu's are all in Chinese. Through a nice Youtube video we found out we had to select option 4 to switch it to English. (The manual doesn't tell you this ....)



We started working on the machine with the closest to working hardware. One of the nice things of (a bit) more recent hardware is that the testing options are more extensive and reliable. The test indicated three bad RAMs on the main board.


(This is an older picture done by the seller, monitor looked much better then !)

So we piggy-backed the indicated RAMs with new ones (had bought 5 from e-bay) and to our slight surprise 2 of the 3 turned to green, which meant they passed the test.
Our conclusion was that the third bad one probably had a short preventing the piggy-backed RAM to work properly. Then Robin had an idea I had never thought about before and he cut out the bad RAM as close to the body as possible and THEN piggy-backed the new RAM to the "left over" pins !  (Of course this was all just for testing)



And it worked !! It passed the tests and we successfully went into attract mode. We could start a game, but clearly there was a problem with the gas-pedal as couldn't get the car to move. But all of the problems with the controls will be investigated later, first we need reliable board-sets.

SO we went to the other HD. This one had showed some nice lightning storms around the HVT of the monitor and I couldn't resist powering it up again. Now there was a nice flame coming out of the top of the HVT. I tried to film it but....I kinda messed up with the camera...
Didn't want to burn it down completely so we disconnected that monitor.

This board also had 4 bad RAMs on the main-board. We used the same tricks again and got all of them working.
However, on this set there were also bad RAMs reported on the ADSP board.



These are rather rare 4kx4 Static CMOS RAMs. The schematics indicate them as 8168D45 but on the board there are hm3-65768m-5



I found a source for hm3-65768BK-5 RAMs in Europe for a reasonable price but will these work ? I found a data sheet for the hm3-65768m-5 and it lists the hm3-75768k-5 but not the BK. The K is faster than the M so I figure it will be OK.

Further, we removed the monitor chassis, the "hood" can be shifted backwards to work on the monitor:


This looks pretty impressive IMHO, it looks more like a car-workshop ;)

So gonna examine the monitor chassis, bad solderings, caps, pots etc. ALso need to order a new HVT  I guess :)

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2011, 04:03:49 PM »
Pic I forgot to post:

Robin swapping some boards to see what happens...

Oh by the way, we discovered that metric stuff is used all over the Hard Drivin's (except for the monitors of course), yippie !

Yesterday evening I did a lot of reading on Jed Margolin's site. Not only the stuff he wrote up about Hard Drivin' but also the VAXMAILS that he has published (the internal e-mail system of Atari) which has lots of interesting stuff about the development of Hard Drivin'.

F.I. he mentions that there is a newer ROM set version than 8.1 but AFAIR both these HD's have 8.1 installed. The gameplay is supposed to be the same, but there are some changes in the testing menu's etc. Didn't find the version number though.

Also, we found out we had to "read-in" all all the controls every time we started up the 2nd PCB set. So I read this on Jed's site:
http://www.jmargolin.com/rdy2k/hdzram.htm

and it's clear that this is caused by these "Zeropower" static RAMs having dead batteries.

Amazingly these are still being made and RSonline sells them at a reasonable price:
http://nl.rs-online.com/web/p/allied-extended-range/2508332311/?

Each board-set has two of these though...

I also read that Race Drivin' actually has a link feature....man what a shame we don't have two Race Drivin' PCB sets ....would be cool to try to hook both machines up and race each other !

However, we're still pretty far from working machines, as mentioned, plenty of controls problems to figure out.


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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2011, 04:22:56 PM »
Reading this topic makes me wish to start soon my Race Drivin' resto!
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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2011, 04:27:07 PM »
every time i see a picture of the cabinet from the side like that :arrow:



i get the feeling that something has been cropped off!!!
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2011, 05:19:26 PM »
Reading this topic makes me wish to start soon my Race Drivin' resto!
You have the upright right ?