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Title: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 15, 2013, 06:56:43 PM


A friend and me (both arcade-freak) are just about to start a business with replicas of original dedicated arcade cabinets (the homepage is not online yet but within the next weeks).

We going to send all over the world but shipping will be the cheapest in Europe as we are from Austria.

Since my partner got a big company for the construction of prototypes we are able to perform any task.
His company works for all sorts of industries...for BMW for instance (currently for the upcomming I8).

Cabinets like Star Wars in the Cockpit-Version are on top of our to do list.

Feel free to make suggestions and orders of any cabinet you can think of and if we have enough orders or you pay the price we will take it into our database.

I start off with one of the first projects, a friend wanted to have a Karate Champ, here are the first impressions.

- Note, all of our cabinets will have improvements were the original sucks. The Karate Champ for example was a cab that stood on its sidepanels whats the reason that every Karate Champ I saw had terrible damaged sidepanels.
We not only avoid that, we also lay the T-Molding all around the sidepanel.

The front door and the 2 rear doors are requirements of the customer, the frames around the doors gives the cabinet awesome strenght, but we can do it without the front door and one big rear door on the backside.

No furniture is supposed to stay on the sidepanel as you will damage it if you transport it and if you have water on the floor.

Our wood-bar undercostructions is superior to that and gives the room to add casters to roll the cabinet for reassembling or cleaning.
Due to the added space under the cab nobody can see that the cab is on wheels as it only hoovers some millimeters above the ground.

Since the upload is a problem as always I used Photobucket to upload high-quality images (but the quality is not as it should be but contact me for better quality images and I will email you):

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Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: glstar on December 17, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
I like this idea....
I like to have an hypersport / track'n'field cabinet too....(a cocktail too)....
Do you have a price in mind for a full cabinet?


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on December 17, 2013, 01:32:45 PM
I like this idea....
I like to have an hypersport / track'n'field cabinet too....(a cocktail too)....
Do you have a price in mind for a full cabinet?

actually i would join in for hyper sports and hyper olympics, too.
i would prefer the uprights though.



Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: neocps1 on December 17, 2013, 02:42:31 PM
looks cool, any idea of the prices and the delays ?


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 17, 2013, 02:47:26 PM

Tyrem and glstar:

At the moment we are just about to calculate the price. We do not offer something and say we ask for this and that, we calculate from our costs away as we want to have a reasonable pricing politics.

We need to find a good laminat source as this is just a much higher quality at the end.
Even if you paint MDF you would have to primer it first to keep the wood from sucking the paint in and show its texture.

Also, on laminate you are able use water to apply the artwork-foil, that avoids air bubbles and helps to move the foil in position.

We want to offer a perfect product.

glstar:

What exactly do you mean by "a full cabinet", a ready to run with PCB or PC installed?

I am very very busy with the Tempest CAD-file, but if you can get measurements and detail pictures of the cabinets you want I will start it contemporaneous and can show you first results in some days.

As for the renderings of the Karate Champ:

A member sent me an email if that are real pictures as it only looks like renderings.
They ARE renderings indeed, but this is not that usual google sketch up- stuff.

We construct the cabinets in CATIA, this is parametric CAD-software starting at 30 000
The 3D-model is assembled by the individual parts and that CATIA-files rights interact with the CNC-Devices we use.

So if the 3D-model works, it works in reality, the CNC-device gives the parts out like a puzzle that fits together with 100% accuracy.
This is not what one could produce at home with jig saw, the cuts of our products are laser straight, the curves perfect and the joints are so exact that it looks like its a cast part.

I hope that gave some insight, but feel free to go for further questions, we try to answer as soon as possible.

 :)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: glstar on December 17, 2013, 02:55:55 PM

Tyrem and glstar:

At the moment we are just about to calculate the price. We do not offer something and say we ask for this and that, we calculate from our costs away as we want to have a reasonable pricing politics.

We need to find a good laminat source as this is just a much higher quality at the end.
Even if you paint MDF you would have to primer it first to keep the wood from sucking the paint in and show its texture.

Also, on laminate you are able use water to apply the artwork-foil, that avoids air bubbles and helps to move the foil in position.

We want to offer a perfect product.

glstar:

What exactly do you mean by "a full cabinet", a ready to run with PCB or PC installed?

I am very very busy with the Tempest CAD-file, but if you can get measurements and detail pictures of the cabinets you want I will start it contemporaneous and can show you first results in some days.

As for the renderings of the Karate Champ:

A member sent me an email if that are real pictures as it only looks like renderings.
They ARE renderings indeed, but this is not that usual google sketch up- stuff.

We construct the cabinets in CATIA, this is parametric CAD-software starting at 30 000
The 3D-model is assembled by the individual parts and that CATIA-files rights interact with the CNC-Devices we use.

So if the 3D-model works, it works in reality, the CNC-device gives the parts out like a puzzle that fits together with 100% accuracy.
This is not what one could produce at home with jig saw, the cuts of our products are laser straight, the curves perfect and the joints are so exact that it looks like its a cast part.

I hope that gave some insight, but feel free to go for further questions, we try to answer as soon as possible.

 :)
For full cab i mean a complete cab minus the pcb/pc, monitor and cables....
I don't know the measurments of the track and field cab, but the upright could be perfectly fine to me just like this one:
http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=885.0


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on December 17, 2013, 03:01:45 PM

For full cab i mean a complete cab minus the pcb/pc, monitor and cables....
I don't know the measurments of the track and field cab, but the upright could be perfectly fine to me just like this one:
http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=885.0


this is exactely what i am also looking for. :)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 17, 2013, 03:32:01 PM


I read some of Scr33ns threads, he is a very good man.
What I always wonder, he asks for measurements, but I never saw replies to that questions, do the members send him the measurements per PM???

We will look if one of the collectors we know got a Track nField. But getting Scr33ns measurements would accelerate the project.

I am also looking for a Joust cocktail, that is one awesome cabinet I have to build and to own.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 17, 2013, 04:02:46 PM
looks cool, any idea of the prices and the delays ?

Not yet, you guys are the first persons that hear about that project.
So dont consieder us being already sovereign when it comes to calculation and prices, but we are in the constructing and wood-working.

I have a long meeting on the 23of december, I think after that I will know much more, but we try to be fair on prices.

As soon as I know prices you can order a Karate Champ.
Tempest will also be finished in the next week and ready to order soon than.

Next project seems to be the Track and Field as (of course) we prefer the suggested cabinets.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: nilfisk on December 17, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Being from Austria, I consider myself a future customer, if things work out. Also, count me in on Hyper Sports ;).

As a sidenote, I've got a basement full of cabs for measurements (no Joust or Hypersports, but still ...)

Martin


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on December 17, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
correct me if i am wrong but a hell of a lot of the cab data is on the net anyway. jakobut for example. this shoud do the job for most of the cabs.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 18, 2013, 02:25:12 AM
Being from Austria, I consider myself a future customer, if things work out. Also, count me in on Hyper Sports ;).

As a sidenote, I've got a basement full of cabs for measurements (no Joust or Hypersports, but still ...)

Martin


Martin, for guys that let us measure there cabinets we offer HUUUUUUUUUUUGE discounts and other supports like getting CNCed repair woodparts as well as mechanic work for free.

I am, for instance work on a bearing-play and steering-travel free mechanism for my SEGA Hang-On as I want my cabinets perfectly in both....conditons and functionallity. The handlebars had dead steering-travel like 2cm on both sides...the entire mechanics is in bad condition anyways. If you have similar problems with one of your cabinets we offer to help you in exchange :)

We have 2 collectors that support us at the moment.

Please, send me a list of what you have, I am sure we can work something out together.

And anybody can join my group on FB named the M.A.M.E.-Project, thats the place where I post everything first.
Its a small group but with very knowledgeable guys.

The Tempest makes very slow progress....to be reeeeeally accurate takes time.

Tyrem: I found something, also Jakobut...but the plans are not complete, they miss many small measurements. Finding them out takes me 12 hours a day at the moment.

But I am grateful for any help or links to measurements.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: caincan on December 18, 2013, 09:37:49 PM
a good idea, you could sell a "kit" . all cut wooden parts  in a package to remount.   just missing the bigger heavier ones (screen !!).


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 18, 2013, 11:20:25 PM
a good idea, you could sell a "kit" . all cut wooden parts  in a package to remount.   just missing the bigger heavier ones (screen !!).

Sir, we have that in mind too.
I hate when sellers have their own way without to care the customers wishes.

So people that are on budget or live far away so that shipping would be too much we will offer kits.

Since everything is saved in CAD-Files we are able to sell repair-panels as well.

If your cabinet got a water-damage (that's usually on the bottom side) he can order just to sidepanels as a repair-kit....same for every other part of the cabinet.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: nilfisk on December 19, 2013, 08:25:05 AM
What I still don't get: how are you going to apply art, if at all? Silksreen, overlay, ..? Or are you just providing raw wooden cabs? Also, in some cases I assume getting the parts needed on top of the cab itself (control panels, coindoors, ...) will be hard. Are you thinking about sourcing repros here as well?

Cheers,
Martin


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 19, 2013, 02:37:19 PM


This a very interessting question, my partner would like to sell complete ready to run only but I told him that we have to sell whatever the customers look for, and that will be empty enclosures at the most.

As for the artwork, I have to admit that I am not a pro, but would be grateful if you enlight me. Are you talking about different print-technics?

Anyways, the material is laminat, so its no need for you guys to paint them and artwork is planned to be applied.
In order to do that we have to setup an artwork-library.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: neocps1 on December 19, 2013, 03:11:20 PM
waiting for real world pictures of the cab to see if it is really worth  :)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 20, 2013, 02:01:00 AM


You are one of the guys that dont want to understand that putting the woodparts together is not big deal, creating CAD-File is it.

I sit more than a week on the Tempest now, 10-14 hours a day.
When it is finished all we have to do is to feed the CNC-device and wait to get the cab in puzzle-form that is assambled in less than 2 hours.

So what sense would it make to work hundreds of hours to create a CAD-File if we dont use it after.

Industrial grade production works differently than what guys do at home with a jig swaw.

Its like you would say:

" I see the results of the dyno-testing of a big block chevrolet-V8 but I wait until its in the car to see if the engine runs".

Thats nonsense, the dyno-pull tells you everything, horsepower, torque, idle, oil-pressure...just everything.

The task is to create the CAD-File that feeds the CNC-Device....and not to screw the parts together because if they match and fit together in the CAD-Simulation they do in real life.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Q*ris on December 20, 2013, 09:45:05 AM
I think he's more "one of the guys that want to see the final product before they buy it blindly".
Which is a legit request from a customer, regardless of the product he's buying.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on December 20, 2013, 09:50:43 AM


You are one of the guys that dont want to understand that putting the woodparts together is not big deal, creating CAD-File is it.


hm... and you are "one of the guys" who should not neccessarily do the public relations stuff for your future company.
you sound a bit too harsh and this could "piss off" people easily. just my two cents.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Belike on December 20, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
The other question is, if you buy an empty shell, you will need the following additional parts:

-complete wiring with connectors
-monitor
-power supply
-pcb
-marquee
-bezel
-control panel overlay
-joysticks, buttons
-coin door
-fluorescent tube with electronics
-skills to put everything together

Collect these original parts with shipping cost from different places would be 500-700 eur, you can bring an original cab from the US for that price.
My 2 cents of course.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: neocps1 on December 20, 2013, 10:11:35 AM
You are one of the guys that dont want to understand that putting the woodparts together is not big deal, creating CAD-File is it.

You seems to be the guy how doesn't know how easy it can be to loose potential clients with a bad sentence.

There is a huge difference between a CAD file and the real cab. This is the difference between vaporware and reality.

So, my expectings are legit don't you think ?


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: atarikid on December 20, 2013, 12:43:48 PM
You are one of the guys that dont want to understand that putting the woodparts together is not big deal, creating CAD-File is it.

If you are applying the same attitude selling stuff as you replying to a very valid question you lost me as customer.  :roll:


Just my two cents though..


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: atarikid on December 20, 2013, 12:46:12 PM
Collect these original parts with shipping cost from different places would be 500-700 eur, you can bring an original cab from the US for that price.
My 2 cents of course.

+1


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: nilfisk on December 20, 2013, 01:22:43 PM

Collect these original parts with shipping cost from different places would be 500-700 eur, you can bring an original cab from the US for that price.
My 2 cents of course.

Well said; Bela. I was referring to this when I previously asked
Quote
Also, in some cases I assume getting the parts needed on top of the cab itself (control panels, coindoors, ...) will be hard. Are you thinking about sourcing repros here as well?

But as I see it: In dubio pro reo - let's see what the guys come up with once their Tempest is completed. Could prove to be a cool product as well.

Martin


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: anunaki on December 20, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
That's what I was thinking while reading about a repro SW cockpit: where do you get the yoke, PCB, monitor, etc.

but I still think this is a pretty cool project


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 20, 2013, 03:12:37 PM
The other question is, if you buy an empty shell, you will need the following additional parts:

-complete wiring with connectors
-monitor
-power supply
-pcb
-marquee
-bezel
-control panel overlay
-joysticks, buttons
-coin door
-fluorescent tube with electronics
-skills to put everything together

Collect these original parts with shipping cost from different places would be 500-700 eur, you can bring an original cab from the US for that price.
My 2 cents of course.

Monitor (old TV with SCART) free to 15 in the classifieds
PCB starting from 15 (depending on game of course)
Marquee included
Bezel included
Controlpanel Overlay included
Happ Joysticks and buttons (two complete set with 6 buttons per player, player 1 player 2 and so on) 30
fluorescent tube with electronics 5 new or 0-1 in the classifieds

Bringing an used cabinet is possible of course, but it is still 30 years old. You got no warranty, the monitor will be burnend in......the cab just wont be in perfect conditions.....and its power supply is not going to work right away with your grid starting with a plug that wont match in your socket. USA got 110V, we in Austria and and the countries around got 220V.

I have old cabinets, and restoring them to perfect shape is so much work and costs that I rather will build them new in future if possible.
As for the the parts you listet, most of them like joysticks and buttons, artwork and other stuff is to replace on a used cabinet as well.

On my sega Hang-On I have already 300 ONLY IN PARTS, not counting the purchase of the cab itself and I did not even really start the restoration.

I still need a new monitor, artwork, tinted glass, grips, brake-lever, accelerator, button, bearings and and and....

http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/synonym999/library/Hang-On%20restoration

Of course I dont know what conditons you are after, I want them perfectly without any signs of use.

Another point is that you wont find easily people that will ship outside USA or even within the USA.

I have 2 american cars and found tons of parts for them but shipping outside the USA is always a problem, dont know why, seems like americans hate it to fill custom forms....and we talk about stuff that is 10 times smaller than an arcade cabinet.

Next point is a safe transport. I had a problem with one item, it was smashed, I emailed the seller to contact the isurance and they was funniest guys ever. They said the article was not harmed within the borders of the USA, so another insurance would be to charge but I have to find out which one it is.

If you crate the entire cabinet than you will come over the 500-700 you calculated (especially for expensive cabinets like Star Wars or Tron) and stil its not sure that the cab wont be damaged inside by careless handling. Especially tubes dont like shocks and private people wont have the possibility and the motivation to crate and ship an arcade cabinet and companies like TNT amusement start with 1000USD up for there cabinets....rather 1200.

Often the customs open bigger boxes to see if there is something inside thats not on the custom form or illegal and dont pack the crate then in the proper way for the rest of the shipping. I experienced so many problems with shipping from the USA with much smaller items than that.....

You have to pay tax (and dont consieder sellers to write a cheaper bill for you) and and and, so importing a cabinet is not as easy as buying, paying and waiting for it to arrive.

Especially for people that are intended to add more than one cabinet to there collection and dont have all the time on earth to search and import, our service is interesting.  ;)

There are even companies IN the US that offer cabinet replicas, so there seems to a market for that :)

As for my answers, sorry guys, I work up to 15 hours a day and sleep very less. My partner is busy with his company at the moment and cannot support me at the moment.

My answer was not meant to be impolite, if it appeared so it may be a problem of the language barrier.
I just wanted to point out that industrial production is not to compare with home construction.

If I build a cabinet at home the hardest part is to cut the wood and to assemble the parts. Not so in our case, we invest 100 of hours in designing the CAD-Files as the certain cabinets need to be build in 2-3hours even if we did not build that type for a year. We dont have the time to start researching for every single build. Once one cabinet is CADd it is ready for the production every time.

Thats what I tried to point out, but sorry if it sounded rude, that was not my intention  :)



Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on December 20, 2013, 04:03:49 PM

Another point is that you wont find easily people that will ship outside USA or even within the USA.

I have 2 american cars and found tons of parts for them but shipping outside the USA is always a problem, dont know why, seems like americans hate it to fill custom forms....and we talk about stuff that is 10 times smaller than an arcade cabinet.

Next point is a safe transport. I had a problem with one item, it was smashed, I emailed the seller to contact the isurance and they was funniest guys ever. They said the article was not harmed within the borders of the USA, so another insurance would be to charge but I have to find out which one it is.

If you crate the entire cabinet than you will come over the 500-700 you calculated (especially for expensive cabinets like Star Wars or Tron) and stil its not sure that the cab wont be damaged inside by careless handling. Especially tubes dont like shocks and private people wont have the possibility and the motivation to crate and ship an arcade cabinet and companies like TNT amusement start with 1000USD up for there cabinets....rather 1200.


Actually I do find it a little bit odd that you did not do any background research on this board. This comminity has a certain history in importing games from the us. We have done 4 containers in the past and the 5th is just a question of time. We know the costs for us and a very respected member of the DLF is taking care of everything.

I must admit: I would prefer an original cab over a repro under nearly ANY circumstances. No matter what the condition is. Restoring the cab is part of the fun for a lot of us here. I would jump in for one or two exceptions (Track & Field) for example... but for me as a collector... I want the real deal.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Level42 on December 20, 2013, 05:23:38 PM
Old original cab has history, repro has none. I'll take an imperfect original over a perfect repro any day.

However I can see the potential. The deepest worry I have is that original parts are going to go in a repro machine, if that is going to happen on a large scale iI wouldn't like that much, I'd rather see them go into original restored cabinets.

I can see there are situations where (parts of) the wooden cab are beyond repair and this would be a good alternative, although even in such cases I would prefer to get an original empty shell from somewhere.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 20, 2013, 06:42:31 PM


You guys are correct, original is original...with all its pros and contras.

The Hang-On in my Livingroom (a project I currently work on) smells so terrible, is so dirty and messy and is full of bugs and spiders that I dont see his "history" as a pro though!

If we see it as strikt as some guys do than even a restored one is not original.

If you change the sticks or the buttons against others or repros it is the same as changing the housing, artwork etc etc.

A friend of my personal Facebook-Arcade group found a Nintendo-Cab in NOS-conditons, it got 3 games on the coin-counter and that seems to be the test-games.
That is the real original stuff, all original sticks, buttons, decals...just everything. As soon as I start changeing parts I can say its not original anymore but I dont care that, I want to increase my collection.

I understand others are after real and old cabinets though  :)

I also have original cabinets and I am proud of them, but since I want the entire Nintendo-line like DK, DK 2, DK 3, DK Jr, Popeye and so on I am going to reproduce them as it would take me decades to collect them, if I get them at all.

I also like the restauration and I make them to the perfectionism, thats why I make a cabinet new before I start changeing literally everything.

As for the unique controls like handlebars and yokes, its our plus that we can produce such things to. But there are also companies out there that already produce some of the things.

As for the container-shipping. How would I (for example) benefit from a container I can participate in if it is going to Italy, Norway or Spain if I am from Austria?

Generally, everybody that is in forums often knows that you get descouraged more often than not.
No matter what your intention is, the members always will say "forget it, you it cant be done".

We have to come over that  ;)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: anunaki on December 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
It's pretty doable getting these Nintendo cabs if you contact love ;)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 20, 2013, 07:25:31 PM
I think he's more "one of the guys that want to see the final product before they buy it blindly".
Which is a legit request from a customer, regardless of the product he's buying.


Nobody should buy a unseen product...thats my opinion as well.

But its a little to early to order, I just wanted to announce the project.

We are going to build the first prototyp over christmas.....we wanted to do a Karate Champ, but since we have the tempest almost finished you guys can choose with cabinet you want to see, the Karate Champ or the Tempest, but I am almost sure it will be the Tempest  ;D

As for the statement a CAD-File is not the same as building the cabinet, it IS the same. You create different parts and build them together. Trust me, we do it long enough to know what we do.

I told, my partner produces prototypes for all sorts of industries, even for BMW. If you still think a wooden cabinet will challange such a company I wont argue, just wait for the pictures  ;D


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 20, 2013, 07:26:46 PM
It's pretty doable getting these Nintendo cabs if you contact love ;)

Love?

I guess its a board member?  ???


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: anunaki on December 20, 2013, 07:33:05 PM
Yes he is


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Sjaak on December 22, 2013, 11:54:59 AM
I told, my partner produces prototypes for all sorts of industries, even for BMW. If you still think a wooden cabinet will challange such a company I wont argue, just wait for the pictures  ;D

Can you maybe post a picture when you start (panel of wood on cnc) and then when you finish (complete wooden cabinet). That way you can show everyone it only takes a couple of hours to create the cabinet.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on December 22, 2013, 07:15:55 PM
I told, my partner produces prototypes for all sorts of industries, even for BMW. If you still think a wooden cabinet will challange such a company I wont argue, just wait for the pictures  ;D

Can you maybe post a picture when you start (panel of wood on cnc) and then when you finish (complete wooden cabinet). That way you can show everyone it only takes a couple of hours to create the cabinet.

Sir, no problem. We are going to show everything. It would'nt be possible to work much longer on the sodden cabinet itself for commercial production, they have many other projects that bring a lot more money so there is no chance to spend some days only for the empty shell. :)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Sjaak on January 02, 2014, 10:33:52 AM
We are going to build the first prototyp over christmas.....

And then you started playing games on it and forgot to post the pictures  ;)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Sjaak on January 13, 2014, 02:52:27 PM
Any news yet about the cabinets?


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: nilfisk on January 15, 2014, 06:36:04 AM
I got word via their FB page that the project got cancelled, both to one of the two partners being scared away by initial feedback, and the fact that the other guy didn't want to cope with the whole workload himself. So no new repro cabs, it seems.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on January 15, 2014, 09:00:30 AM
I got word via their FB page that the project got cancelled, both to one of the two partners being scared away by initial feedback, and the fact that the other guy didn't want to cope with the whole workload himself. So no new repro cabs, it seems.

somehow i was afraid that exactely this would happen.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Belike on January 15, 2014, 09:27:33 AM
The whole project was a total mess without any sense from the first word. :P


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Nic-fryer on January 15, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
This tread needs to have some clear marking in the beginning saying it's cancelled. I was starting to get excited. :(


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Superully on January 15, 2014, 12:22:09 PM
the way this was handled and the way they interacted with people, this was destined to fail!!!


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on January 15, 2014, 02:18:51 PM
the way this was handled and the way they interacted with people, this was destined to fail!!!

very true. i had no fate at all in the project.
even the cab was not what I would have chosen to start with.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on January 15, 2014, 04:32:28 PM
the way this was handled and the way they interacted with people, this was destined to fail!!!

Nope, it was not.

I told my partner that I am not going to advertize it in the forums as the members cost me the last nerv.

All that useless postings now....it was a mess from the beginning and all that.....

Who have so much insight to say that and who knows about such a business??? To have some cabs and to restore them got nothing to do with mass production...and I repeat saying that from the beginning, so please, leave me alone with your opinion.

It was planned from the beginning from the start that I draw the cabinets and my partner advertize them, since he did not do anything I told him I am out but I still have and make drawings. I still can offer small quantities of cabinets like for Nilfisk or other guys that was polite from the start.

I make enough money not to depend on that project, it was a hobby project for him and me...but not so much fun that I make everything alone.

The Karate Champ is ready and the first cabinet for my friend will be done soon, and in the next time I am going to finish the Tempest.
Others will follow and I will make some for the polite people in the forum.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Sjaak on January 15, 2014, 04:41:21 PM
The Karate Champ is ready and the first cabinet for my friend will be done soon, and in the next time I am going to finish the Tempest.
Others will follow and I will make some for the polite people in the forum.

Can't wait to see the pictures of the Karate Champ.

I actually run a business that creates new cabinets, so I'm very curious about your cabinets. Do you have any information about the pricing? And are you going to mass produce them?



Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on January 15, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
the way this was handled and the way they interacted with people, this was destined to fail!!!

Nope, it was not.

I told my partner that I am not going to advertize it in the forums as the members cost me the last nerv.

All that useless postings now....it was a mess from the beginning and all that.....

Who have so much insight to say that and who knows about such a business??? To have some cabs and to restore them got nothing to do with mass production...and I repeat saying that from the beginning, so please, leave me alone with your opinion.

It was planned from the beginning from the start that I draw the cabinets and my partner advertize them, since he did not do anything I told him I am out but I still have and make drawings. I still can offer small quantities of cabinets like for Nilfisk or other guys that was polite from the start.

I make enough money not to depend on that project, it was a hobby project for him and me...but not so much fun that I make everything alone.

The Karate Champ is ready and the first cabinet for my friend will be done soon, and in the next time I am going to finish the Tempest.
Others will follow and I will make some for the polite people in the forum.

those "members" are called customers in real life. if you are dealing with them... you have to have a certain understanding of their nature. somehow that was missing right from the start when I look through your statements in the thread.

this is a forum. it is all about opinions and people talking with each other. you can not tell me or anybody else here what to write or think just because you dont like my/our point of view. if you are going public with a project and if you want the arcade community to be your target market you should deal with us in a respectful way. start thinking about the fact that some people here think that you could have done a better job. this has nothing to do with beeing polite. it is a simple fact and you should deal with it if you want to sell something to somebody.



Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Superully on January 15, 2014, 05:02:12 PM
I still can offer small quantities of cabinets like for Nilfisk or other guys that was polite from the start.

man, you're really good at handling criticism!!! :P

I make enough money not to depend on that project

congratulations 8)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on January 15, 2014, 05:09:55 PM

I make enough money not to depend on that project

congratulations 8)

hell yeah. that was a good one. :)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on January 15, 2014, 05:38:06 PM
I still can offer small quantities of cabinets like for Nilfisk or other guys that was polite from the start.

man, you're really good at handling criticism!!! :P

I make enough money not to depend on that project

congratulations 8)


No....I am not, critics only can come from people that have insight, nobody can come saying that project was a mess because everything I showed about it some renderings....critizise or judge about things you know just ANYTHING from....otherwise its stupid.

As for the congratulations, thanks.....I am Industrial Designer.... si I am quite OK :P


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: neocps1 on January 15, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: synonym9
No....I am not, critics only can come from people that have insight, nobody can come saying that project was a mess because everything I showed about it some renderings....critizise or judge about things you know just ANYTHING from....otherwise its stupid.

As for the congratulations, thanks.....I am Industrial Designer.... si I am quite OK :P


wow so what I said was stupid when I said I prefered to expect pictures of the final product before buying ?


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on January 15, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
I still can offer small quantities of cabinets like for Nilfisk or other guys that was polite from the start.

man, you're really good at handling criticism!!! :P

I make enough money not to depend on that project

congratulations 8)


No....I am not, critics only can come from people that have insight, nobody can come saying that project was a mess because everything I showed about it some renderings....critizise or judge about things you know just ANYTHING from....otherwise its stupid.

As for the congratulations, thanks.....I am Industrial Designer.... si I am quite OK :P

nobody said that the project was a mess. they way you presented and represented it was. you did yourself and your project a favour. i guess this is what people are trying to tell you.

i am not in our project for the money either.. not because I do not need it or because I claim I have enough of it. I don't. :D I love to be part of the community and it would be amazing if our save kits and the online highscores become a part of arcade gaming today.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Belike on January 15, 2014, 08:30:20 PM
Can we close this topic?
It is a waste of time to reply, better spend that time with our cabs. :D


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Tyrem on January 15, 2014, 09:20:29 PM
Can we close this topic?
It is a waste of time to reply, better spend that time with our cabs. :D

true!


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Sjaak on January 15, 2014, 09:29:57 PM
Can we close this topic?
It is a waste of time to reply, better spend that time with our cabs. :D

I was hoping for at least one picture.

This guy is an industrial designer using CAD-software starting at 30,000 and computer aided manufacturing equipment that is used to build prototypes for BMW. I'm positive he can build an amazing cabinet.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on January 15, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
No you know why I dont wanted to make the advertisement .... because of retarded people like you....is this your problem  


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on January 15, 2014, 09:51:04 PM
Can we close this topic?
It is a waste of time to reply, better spend that time with our cabs. :D

I was hoping for at least one picture.

This guy is an industrial designer using CAD-software starting at 30,000 and computer aided manufacturing equipment that is used to build prototypes for BMW. I'm positive he can build an amazing cabinet.

Thanks Sir, join my FB group "the M.A.M.E.-Project" , there will be pictures soon....you also can get a cabinet if you are not in a hurry.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Sjaak on January 15, 2014, 09:55:10 PM
I've seen what industrial designers can do with the right equipment and I was hoping you would prove everyone wrong by showing the end result.

You should take a look at this thread (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,132881.msg1405788.html#msg1405788), by a designer with some very special equipment. I was hoping you could do something similar.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on January 15, 2014, 10:25:28 PM

Very very nice :)

I also design MAME-cabs....one is already finished for a friend.
It features a retractable controlpanel to interchange with other panels.

You can watch a Video of my work on YouTube called

"Hannes Slanec Portfolio"

I am sure it will be interesting for you.

Again, the project still exists...but only for certain people....not for mass production.


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: Luigi on January 16, 2014, 08:39:15 AM
to be honest....I understand synonym9's reaction!

Why not simply be quiet and wait what will be the result of his/their effort? Just sit back and watch the progress and finally pictures from the first cab that comes out of the machine.

Then there would have been enough time to ask questions or make suggestions for improvements.


my2cts :)


Title: Re: DATA EAST KARATE CHAMP SCRATCH BUILD, YOU CAN ORDER IT AS WELL AS OTHER CABINETS
Post by: synonym9 on January 16, 2014, 09:27:26 AM
to be honest....I understand synonym9's reaction!

Why not simply be quiet and wait what will be the result of his/their effort? Just sit back and watch the progress and finally pictures from the first cab that comes out of the machine.

Then there would have been enough time to ask questions or make suggestions for improvements.


my2cts :)

Thanks Luigi, thats what I thought too. I felt hated and under pressure from the first second.

I cannot state often enough that this project still exists....but not in mass production. Now the first images will take some time as I have to work on other things again.....,but they will come :)