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Title: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on November 17, 2007, 09:21:28 AM
It's sunday... just a perfect day for a new roadtrip  8)

For this new game, my car needs to be in the '3 guys' set up  ;D :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc1.jpg)

Usual & official drinks ...

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc2.jpg)

THis time, it'll be a small trip... only 150km to drive... and I'm staying in my country :P  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc3.jpg)

9° C ... ok for today ... two days ago, it was snowing in Belgium  :'(

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc4.jpg)

For my archives : 45506 km before departure  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc5.jpg)

First, I've to pick up the team members  :arrow:

- Burt (my wingman in the epic Galaxian3 Theater story)
- Sam "Galaxian3 Theater & Pole Position parts keeper"

 ;D :-* ;D

Yes, this time I need help because the new toy weighs 310 kg  :ghost:

I'm aslo need a trailer bigger than usual... Thanks Pat  :P ;)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc6.jpg)

Here we go... rain... rain ... rain  :ghost:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc7.jpg)

On location ... G-Loc Deluxe  :P :P :P ... miam  :pac: :ghost:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc8.jpg)

Let's load that monster on the trailer just here, in the garage... hopefully, we are five of us for doing it  8)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc9.jpg)

Ok, the 'simulator' is on the trailer now... but... the game on the trailer is ... maybe to high for passing the garage's door...  :roll:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc10.jpg)

Let's try to get out of here... slowly ...

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc11.jpg)

...mmmmhhh...  :-\

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc12.jpg)

No, it won't get out  :evil: We have to remove the top of the cockpit  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc13.jpg)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc14.jpg)

Great ! It's ok now...  ;D

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc15.jpg)

Without the cockpit, that G-Loc looks like ... a Thunder Blade  :lol:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc16.jpg)

Let's quickly put back the cockpit before the rain.  :pac: :ghost:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc17.jpg)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc18.jpg)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc19.jpg)

Really beautiful cockpit isn't it ?  :-*

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc20.jpg)


Reving up your engine
Listen to her howling roar
Metal under tension
Begging you to touch and go

Highway to the Danger Zone
Ride into the Danger Zone
...


Here's Tom Cruise ???

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc21.jpg)

Ok, he's here  ;D  :arrow:

(http://a69.g.akamai.net/n/69/10688/v1/img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/36/26/94/18467238.jpg)

It really look like a true cockpit  8)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc22.jpg)

Ok, now let's protect all the game against the upcoming & inevitable rain  :-\  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc23.jpg)

Like this, it should be enough  :lol: :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc24.jpg)

It looks fine until now  :)  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc25.jpg)

In the middle of the way to go home, we stop to do a quick check :

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc26.jpg)

The cockpit moves... because of the right hydrolic piston who doesn't lock the cockpit/seat ?!  But it's not a problem ... just a little bit scary to see ::) ;D

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc27.jpg)

Because I've no more room to keep the new games at home, I'll put this new toy in the Pat's house  :roll: :roll: :roll:  :P

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc28.jpg)

He discovers the 'monster'  ::) :P

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc29.jpg)

Let's unload the game...

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc30.jpg)

...with a great tool  :lol: :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc31.jpg)

...very easy ...

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc32.jpg)

And here's the beast 'on location'  ;D

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc33.jpg)

A last thing to do : removing the coins box  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc34.jpg)

The game is now in a safe place... I won't be able to work on it these coming month... I must finish the new gameroom first...

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/gloc35.jpg)

Thanks again to : Burt, Sam & Pat for their precious help  :)


For my statistics :

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/glocend1.jpg)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gloc/glocend2.jpg)


See you after the winter G-Loc  ;D ;D :wink:





Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: vib_ribbon on November 17, 2007, 03:34:46 PM
Ah... now that you have access to Pat's facilities, I am sure you will stick many many more arcade games in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :P


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on November 17, 2007, 07:55:04 PM
Ah... now that you have access to Pat's facilities, I am sure you will stick many many more arcade games in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :P


Oppps, I hope Pat' won't read that   :roll:

 :lol:


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: JimmyU on November 19, 2007, 05:43:16 PM
You definitely need to put your name on the side of that thing rather than Capt. Fujichan.


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on November 19, 2007, 05:56:54 PM
You definitely need to put your name on the side of that thing rather than Capt. Fujichan.

Nice Idea  :roll: :wink:


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 01, 2008, 09:27:01 AM
ONE YEAR LATER

...Back on this !  ::) :P

First of all, check out this video  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc-tube.jpg) (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=uYVLqep5NSI)

I'll comment soon  ;)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: arcadefever on December 02, 2008, 03:12:48 AM
Cool video  :)

is the game 100% working ?


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 02, 2008, 09:29:57 AM
is the game 100% working ?

Hi Fred  :-*

Nope... unfortunately  :-\ Here's the full story :

The Nuno's Lair v2 is ready for games. The location I've choose for that HUGE G-LOC will be the back of the room, so it's the first game to put before the others ones.

With the help of few colleagues (also called 'The Golimar (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=6MdpaoBbK8c) Team'  :D), it's the D-Day, get ready  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames4.jpg)

The games is in storage since one years on the Pat's garage  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames5.jpg)

(Hey... it reminds me... I also have that APB to bring back, but not today.)

Here's the monster to load  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames6.jpg)

Easy with that tool  8)  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames7.jpg)

Interesting view  ;D :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames8.jpg)

Before going back, let's have some fun in the Pat's Lair  :)

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/gameroom/Patgameroom.jpg) (http://www.dragonslairfans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=277)

Scud Race  :-* :-* :-*

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames9.jpg)

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames10.jpg)

Back @ home :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames11.jpg)

Unloading the cockpit... not easy because it's VERY heavy  :shock:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames12.jpg)

Now the big thing. As you can see , the cockpit tilts on the left side  :-\

The width of its base is 100 cm BUT because the cockpit in not in its middle position, it's more than 102  :o
And the width of my door is 102 cm... so impossible to enter the cockpit like that  :ghost:
According the seller of the game, the cockpit goes in the middle position time to time. So I'll plug the game here, outside, and cross the fingers ... you can see the result of several power off/on in the previous youtube video.

No luck this time. The game starts but not the hydraulic part. The cockpit is still in that 'bad' position... on the left  :ghost:
So we tried to push manually the cockpit in order to bring it back on its middle position, but it doesn't move at all !!!
Ok, no more choice ... we have to disassemble it here  :evil: Let's go  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames13.jpg)

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames14.jpg)

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames15.jpg)

The main cockpit part is now removed...

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames17.jpg)

..but it still too large...because of the monitor bezel/HP :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames16.jpg)

Let's remove it :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames18.jpg)

ArgHHH... still to large, because of the seat now  :evil: :evil: :evil:  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames19.jpg)

It should be fine now  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames20.jpg)

Yes...it's ok now. Maximum protection for the new carpet of course  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/letsbringgames21.jpg)

The G-Loc is now inside the V2  :)

 :spaceace:


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: subzero1970 on December 03, 2008, 09:31:50 PM
Convert it to play afterburner II, G-Loc was a rubbish game!


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 03, 2008, 09:37:38 PM
Convert it to play afterburner II, G-Loc was a rubbish game!

(http://www.anaitgames.com/wp-content/darth_vader_nooo1.jpg)

...nooooo...I'm a huge fan of G-Loc, and..in addition, I already have an After Burner II (http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=275.0). I wanna play G-Loc in that G-Loc  :)

 ;D ;)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: logan on December 04, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
as always bruno. Awsome job!  ;) :o :o :o


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: subzero1970 on December 04, 2008, 02:52:35 PM
hehe i noticed on the trailer 'Coming soon R360'

SERIOUSLY???!!!???


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 04, 2008, 06:01:41 PM
hehe i noticed on the trailer 'Coming soon R360'

SERIOUSLY???!!!???

Sneak PrEvIeW  ::) 8)  :arrow:

(http://www.gamoover.net/Forums/gallery/668_28_03_07_10_05_52.jpg)

 ::) ;D ;D ;D


Seriously, I would like to have one, but didn't find one for sale yet.  :P


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 21, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
Remember, I had to remove many parts in order to make entering the game into the new game room ?
OK, so it's now the perfect time for a little clean up of the dismantled plastic parts  :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc-cockpit1.jpg)

(yes... inside the house  ;D )

In order to clean the cockpit, let's use this 'Cockpit Cleaner'  ;D Logical isn't it ?  :P :)

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc-cockpit2.jpg)

Let's clean also ...the 'marquee' ?  ::)  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc-cockpit3.jpg)

...and finally the 'masterpiece'  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc-cockpit4.jpg)

Ready to fly now !  :spaceace:
 


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 23, 2008, 08:46:47 PM
Sometime, I'm doing things to fast...

Remember :

"The game starts but not the hydraulic part. The cockpit is still in that 'bad' position... on the left  :ghost:
So we tried to push manually the cockpit in order to bring it back on its middle position, but it doesn't move at all !!!
Ok, no more choice ... we have to disassemble it here  :evil:"


So we spent hours to disassemble it in order to enter it into the V2.

I've just check inside the hydraulic mechanism  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/verin1.jpg)

... and I turn MANUALLY that pulley (the wheel)...

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/verin2.jpg)

...and guess what ? it moves the entire cockpit to the left or to the right...why I didn't check that *first*  :oops:

OK, so now... it on the normal/middle position  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/verin3.jpg)




Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Sonic 1992 on December 23, 2008, 11:28:36 PM
I know restoring your games is alot of fun, but are you doing the work in the lair?  I know that cleaning, sanding is very dust making and messy!   :oops:   

I take it you don't have anywhere else to do it?  Garage maybe?  (hate to see your other games & the lair covered with dust & dirt!)  double duty, restore & clean up....


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 25, 2008, 06:07:45 PM
I take it you don't have anywhere else to do it?  Garage maybe?  (hate to see your other games & the lair covered with dust & dirt!)  double duty, restore & clean up....

Well, that is my biggest problem : I do not have a workshop for that  :oops:
I'm using a room at the first floor in my house to repair the games, and it's a HUGE job to bring them at the first floor (because of the stairs, corridors, I need people to help me...  :oops:), but for the case of G-Loc... it's just impossible, unfortunately  :-[
Generally I do not make 'dangerous' things inside my game room, such painting, wood cutting. Maybe in the V3 I would be able to have small workshop area  ? ::)

Ok, now... the G-Loc is now complete/in one piece  ;)  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc-complete.jpg)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on January 02, 2009, 06:17:04 PM
Unfortunately, the problem with this game is worst now  :arrow:

I know the hydraulic parts are not working, but now even the game doesn't start anymore  :ghost:

I hope it's just a power supply problem :
When I power on the game, I hear the fans, but nothing come on screen. I also tried to play or insert coin (without having a picture), but I don't hear something... So I presume even the board doesn't start  :-X

I have to check what happens on this one  :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

But hey, even switch off, it really looks cool under the neons  :-* :-* :-*  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/nunov2/gameroomneontest3.jpg)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on September 02, 2009, 08:39:01 PM
Back ok this... got TWO set of PCB... but untested ( :oops: ) ...

Yes, I don't like to buy 'untested' boards, but I'm so sad to see a such beast 'non-working' inside the game room ... so let' see if I'm lucky on this  :?

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/boards_untested.jpg)

Well, even if these boards are working, it won't fix the hydraulic system... I just expect to have the game working first (without motion).

In order to fix the motion, I must find drive boards and/or motor driver boards...


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Samurajer on September 04, 2009, 05:14:25 PM
I have a G-loc DLX too,

maybe we can exchange ideas... My actuators are working, although one is a bit slower.

do you have the schematics?

cheers, Samurajer


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on September 05, 2009, 08:24:01 PM
I have a G-loc DLX too,

maybe we can exchange ideas... My actuators are working, although one is a bit slower.

do you have the schematics?

cheers, Samurajer

Hello Samurajer and welcome here  :-*

Hey, an other G-Loc deluxe owner  ;) Where are you located?

Well, I have the owner's manual but it doesn't include the schematics for the drive boards and/or motor driver boards. It seems that SEGA Japan didn't publish these specific schematics  :-[



Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Samurajer on November 12, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
My G-loc is now in almost perfect working order; just need to get some painting done and stickering.

is your game running? Since you wrote that at first movement was all that failed, I reckon it's most probably the safety that's on... so one of the perimeter breach units is either missaligned, dirty or not well connected.

I made a little sketch explaining all the units in the base of G-loc for those that want to repair one...

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Rpns6h3wB8o/Svx6ioQ57-I/AAAAAAAAALE/h0KmNvzcJWc/s800/G-locelectricalparts.jpg)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on November 14, 2009, 05:47:58 PM
Many thanks for that picture Samurajer  :-* It will help me to localize what could be wrong on my cockpit.
I've done some work on it... but still do not understand what are the problems yet  :? (I'll post my work on this soon...)

Lucky man... having a fully working G-Loc deluxe is awesome  :-* Congratulation  :-*

But hey... I still have hope  8) See... I got my Top Gun suit... and I'm ready to fly now   ;D  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/nuno_top_gun.jpg)

...friends name me 'Darth Maverik' now  :D

 :spaceace:


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Samurajer on November 15, 2009, 01:47:15 PM
Cool picture,

looks even better off course if there'd be something on the screen.

I found that if you disconnect a perimeter breach sensors, the safety is off; so actuators will be allowed to move.

but that doesn't fix your main problem now. The y-board runs on 5 volt only: that will be easy to check on the power supply itself: there is nothing between that supply and the power cord accept the relay and automatic fuse. Since your fans are spinning, the supply should be powered.
Keep me posted!

samurajer


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on November 25, 2009, 12:48:44 AM
Yes, during the test, some perimeter breach sensors weren't connected. But even with all of them connected, I'm not able to have something on screen or any move  :oops:

Ok, it's time to test the 'untested' boards I got : 2 set of two boards... so here all the stuff I have now : 3 set of two boards.

Before removing the cage with the initial board, let's take a picture for the connectors location :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_1.jpg)

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_2.jpg)

So I try the 'untested' set of two boards #1, and the 'untested' set of two boards #2 ...

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_3.jpg)

...nothing happens... no move, black screen  :?

Ok, let's check the voltage...

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_4.jpg)

...just before arriving on the boards... seems ok  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_5.jpg)

Because he didn't have the 'motor drive boards' schematics, the previous owner tried a lot of experience on one of the two 'motor drive board'. Something go wrong because of that now... let's unplug the connector coming from them...

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_10.jpg)

Power on and ... The game is back on screen  :-*  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_6.jpg)

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_7.jpg)

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_8.jpg)

...but as you can see, all the GFX are not there  :oops:

let's plug the motor drive boards again... and ...

... the game is doing one of the two motor check  :-* ... see that video  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_tube.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I6mzVWBRTo)

I'm now *almost* at the same point than the time I got it : game is working, and half motion only during the 'power on' test.

Ok, let's try to get back all the GFX on screen, let's swap boards from the three different set of boards I got... maybe two of them are working fine...

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/gloc_spare_9.jpg)

Argh... black screen and no motion on all the boards combination  :evil: Let's put back the previously working combination : nothing! Let's unplug the motor drive boards : nothing!

A real nightmare!

It's like the motor drive boards infects game boards!?... very strange! Any Sega specialist around?  :'( I'm sure I have to change at least one of the two motor board/driver (motor digital powersupply on the Samurajer schema) , because it has been badly modified previously  :-[




Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Samurajer on November 26, 2009, 11:49:13 AM
Pretty interesting and not at all hopeless results though! I notice three things, which lead to a fourth:

1) on the working sega screen: your background is missing. This means that one of the 68000 is not acting, I believe. I don't know if that is actually one of the two boards.
2) disconnecting the DA/AD-board connector might help if there is a short circuit on one of the lines. But it might also be a switch of because of a failing selftest. But I can't tell...
3) but I did notice: you have the schematics and owners manual! excellent! Could you mail me a copy?
4) if you do, we could isolate the problem more easily!

good luck, and oh: beware of static electricity: 1988 boads are still very sensitive to that. Putting one on your nylon carpet would be unadvicable...

 


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Samurajer on December 13, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
By the way, I have a supply of light bulbs used in sega machines: 110-140V 6-10W These are used for instance in the chase lights of the G-loc.

I'd Be happy to send them to anyone in The Benelux... I have about 18 bulbs in stock.. It would be perfect to trade them against, say, the schematics of G-loc ;)



Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: sega-sim-fan on January 11, 2010, 08:18:42 PM
how are you getting on with this? these simulators need a lot of help!


cheers matt
www.mandccars.com/spaceharrier.htm


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on January 11, 2010, 08:26:22 PM
Hi sega-sim-fan, and welcome here  :-*

Well, I hope to have very soon a couple of motor drive boards.

I've already seen the incredible work you've done on your Space Harrier *deluxe*. Congratulation! :P :) Your pictures will be very helpful when I'll start to clean this G_Loc.  ;)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Samurajer on January 12, 2010, 03:31:43 PM
Hi there DarthNuno,

hope your new driver boards work out. If that doesn't solve it, I think the board before that: the A/D D/A board is to blame. I analyzed the motor supplies to be driven by a simple four bit (four wire) control. 1 bit for the motor direction (thus supply polarity) and three bits for motor speed (supply voltage). You can simply test this with the actuators in the center position and making all four bits 'high' (+5 volt), for a very, very short time; the motors should run at maximum speed: so stop in time! Better of course to just measure the supply voltage with the motors disconnected. I do not know if the end switches are connected directly to the power supply or to the A/D/ D/A board... I guess they are not connected to the power supply as the motor test in the service screen can ignore them....

I don't know if you measured on the supplies yet... If they are dead, then that's that, but they are heavily protected by electronic overcurrent and thermal cut outs so I doubt wheather they died. Both of them! The only fragile part in the supplies is the H-bridge for the motor direction; these are easily repaired though (just four parts there).


please let me know; this shit is some damn fine Japanese electronic art!
 


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: sega-sim-fan on July 06, 2010, 09:16:45 PM
all this simulator stuff is frightening!, your missing 2 motor controllers and possibly 1 motor drive board, very hard to find....good luck with this......i suposse some one technicaly minded could get this working without motor drive boards.....but until somebody does we are all shafted  :-[


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on July 13, 2010, 11:06:55 PM
Well, I'm waiting since more than two years a pair of *working* motor drive board from 'someone'...he promised me to send/bring them to me. Every few months (yes, since more than two years), I gently reminds him by mail/phone... but it never happened yet, in spite of its promises  :-X Now, he didn't even reply to my mails ... :-X


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Segafan on April 11, 2012, 09:40:26 PM
So i know this is a dead topic but i am also working on restoring a SEGA G-LOC in America right now. I have managed to get the game working but the hydraulics and sound still aren't working yet. I think the audio amplifier is broken...any ideas on how i can test this? I cant find any specs on it either or i would just try getting a new one. The issue is that when i turn the game on i hear crackling in the speakers but no actual game sound...is it likely that speakers have just blown?
As for the hydraulics, i haven't tested them and the IR sensors have been unplugged so i don't expect them to work yet. I have seen them moving but only slightly and in an irregular way for a second on start-up...how can i test if the board is blown?
Thanks
Simon


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on April 11, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
Hi Simon,

No update so far ( :oops: ) BUT I managed to go back on this these last days...coincidence yeah!  :P
Yes, I know an other French member on the gamoover board who has the same problem than me, and we like to join forces to repair our games  :)
With you, we may be three to 'cross-test' and 'cross-investigate' what's wrong! Here's the 'Geek Vintage' topic right here (http://www.gamoover.net/Forums/index.php?topic=24902.0) (in french).

OK, the first I've done is to scan one of the main schema for the DX manual I own, here it is :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/manual/GLOC-DX-main_schema.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/manual/GLOC-DX-main_schema.png)
[click on the picture for the FULL size version]


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on April 11, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
...first for you sound problem, here's a quick view for the cage pin-out, that will help you to test the sounds coming from the boards and try to localize where the problem is.
I'll scan the entire sheet this Friday (my A3 scanner is not setup now).


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Segafan on April 13, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
Oh wow! That helps so much! So now i should just test the pin-outs from the board to the amplifier and then test the pin-outs from the amplifier? That seems much easier! Let me know if i can help in any way...


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on April 13, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
As promised, the full size version  :)  :arrow:

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/manual/GLOC-DX-main_schema2.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/manual/GLOC-DX-main_schema2.png)
[click on the picture for the FULL size version]


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Segafan on April 15, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
Thank you very much for the pictures!!! As for what i have maneaged to do so far. When i started working on this game nothing was working, not even a piture on the screen except for grey. I decided it was because the screen had power but no signal from the board. So i tried tracing the RGB cord back but i couldn't find anything wrong with it. What i found was that there was an auxiliary RGB cord that outputted to three plugs next to the power cable(i think this was so you could plug another screen in so other people could watch you play). So i took this chord and plugged it into the screen instead and it jumped to life and the game was working fine. It turns out that there had been a family of rats living in the machine and had started to snack on the wires! Now all i have to do is get the actuators working and pray that the amplifier and motor control board aren't broken! Wish me luck!


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Segafan on April 16, 2012, 09:35:33 AM
Hi there DarthNuno,

hope your new driver boards work out. If that doesn't solve it, I think the board before that: the A/D D/A board is to blame. I analyzed the motor supplies to be driven by a simple four bit (four wire) control. 1 bit for the motor direction (thus supply polarity) and three bits for motor speed (supply voltage). You can simply test this with the actuators in the center position and making all four bits 'high' (+5 volt), for a very, very short time; the motors should run at maximum speed: so stop in time! Better of course to just measure the supply voltage with the motors disconnected. I do not know if the end switches are connected directly to the power supply or to the A/D/ D/A board... I guess they are not connected to the power supply as the motor test in the service screen can ignore them....



I am also having motor trouble...i am assuming the A/D D/A board is the one next to the motor driver boards with the Encoder plugged in on top. Just spent a long night toying with it and it bounces between saying "Encoder Trouble" for Left and right Motors or saying that they are both fine. My left Motor Driver Lights up but the Right one does not light up and has a painful short that makes my hand numb if i am stupid enough to touch its metal enclosure. Underneathe the encoder there are four dip switches. They were all set to the off position but i cant find any record of what they do. Also, directly next to them is a 4 pin plug that has nothing attached to them(suspicious...). Could you be more specific about the four control wires with one controlling polarity and the three others powering the motor?. I measured various voltages out of the three but if they power the motor then why is there are there two seperate power wires running to them from the motor driver? The motor Driver boards are getting the full AC power from the power supply and some of the 7 pins going in seem to be live with a low current from what i assume is the A/D D/A board...however neither of them will put out any measurable voltage to the motors. That is with the safety lasers connected and/or disconnected. I have tried every combination and all the motor tests say that the motor are good. I can make them move slowly if i take one of the 5v leads coming out of the amplifier and connect it directly to a motor so i know they are ok. Every conclusion i have come to say that it has to be either a safety cut-out issue or that both of the Motor driver boards are blown. I think it is more likely that there is an incorrect signal going from the board to the motor drivers. How can i "set" the three of the four leads going to the motors to 5v? Is that what the dip switches are for?

As for the Audio...I found the audio pin-outs from the main board in the cage at the rear and tried connecting them to one of the speakers directly, but no luck. I checked the power supply to the board that all the speakers connect to(its only label says "SJ25-0091-02") There is a tiny amount of current leaving the board and there is the full AC current going in from the transofrmer. The light comes on when i power it up. I think it must be a signal issue because the speakers are making an annoying humming sound for which i can adjust the volume from inside the coin box.

Another strange thing is that there are two plugs on the side right next to the power supply area(a large green ground wire, and a 2p red and black power connecter) that are not connected to anything. I cannot find anything that they should plug into.

Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again for the wiring diagrams. They were a great help and if there are any more pages that you could scan i would be very grateful.

Thanks Guys!


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Segafan on April 23, 2012, 03:11:47 AM
Any suggestions? I would love to get in contact via email or something so we can collaborate on getting our games working...


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on April 24, 2012, 07:27:32 PM
Nothing so far. The reason is I cannot easily access to my G-LOC, stuck between many cabinets in my game room, and that beast is really difficult to move.  :oops:
In addition, I lack time for the hobby these last weeks (month?)   :oops: I hope to progress on this as soon as I can, so stay tuned  8)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on May 01, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
NOS parts for G-Loc are available right here (http://www.videogameparts.com/category.sc?categoryId=169), but unfortunately no electronic parts available so far.

Anyway, I've just got few parts, missing on mine (joystick related) :

(http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/gloc/509-5319.jpg)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Segafan on May 31, 2012, 02:15:04 AM
Just wanted to show you guys what i have found. www.irepairsega.com this guy lives in California and he worked for sega in the repairs department. He knows a LOT about the SEGA G-LOC and gave me some great tips for working on mine. Good Luck!


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on May 31, 2012, 10:20:51 PM
Just wanted to show you guys what i have found. www.irepairsega.com this guy lives in California and he worked for sega in the repairs department. He knows a LOT about the SEGA G-LOC and gave me some great tips for working on mine. Good Luck!

Thanks for the info, I'll contact him asap!  :)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: tye3333 on December 29, 2013, 07:39:42 AM
hi guys,

i know this is a old post but i just got a G-loc DX and just seeing how everyone else is going with theirs?


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on December 29, 2013, 12:03:53 PM
hi guys,

i know this is a old post but i just got a G-loc DX and just seeing how everyone else is going with theirs?

Have a look right here (http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=5011.0)  8)


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Thargor on February 08, 2019, 06:26:25 AM
Hi

this is my first post here and I have directly a request:

we have here in Germany an Arcade Museum (look at Facecbook https://de-de.facebook.com/Retro-Nerds-M%C3%BCnsterland-1710193545940225/) and now we are a proud owner of a Sega G-Loc, too.

But there is a big problem, we donīt have these two leveling  DC motors. So I need some information what kind of motors are these, wich voltage, I need perhabs a ID Number an do you have information where we can buy (used) two of these motors? And you can send maybe an *.pdf of the manual and electric wiring.



Sorry for so much questions, but it seems you are the only one who can have all this information for us.

thanks for you help!

Kind regards, Thargor



Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: DarthNuno on February 09, 2019, 01:46:50 PM
HI Thargor,

As far as I know schematics for GLOC motor drivers boards are not unavailable.
But 'gc339' from the french board gamoover has done a massive 'reverse engineering' work to figure out how it works... and so how to repair it.
Here's the topic (https://www.gamoover.net/Forums/index.php?topic=28660.0) in french.
He successfully repaired few of them.
It's really hard to find motor drivers boards nowadays, and especially working one, and no one didn't reproduced them new so far.
A great project have been done recently -> reproduction of Outrun/Space Harrier DLX Compatible Motor PCBs (see here (http://www.ukvac.com/forum/outrun-space-harrier-dlx-compatible-motor-pcbs_topic365882_page1.html?KW=space+harrier)). These are very close to the ones from those in GLOC, but unfortunately not the same...


Title: Re: :: Belgium Roadtrip :: Quest for SEGA G-Loc Deluxe ::
Post by: Thargor on February 09, 2019, 04:15:21 PM
Hi
  thanks for the reply.

we have the motor driver board for both motors, but still no motors.

So what I need is info about the motor themselves. Wich Voltage is used an idea we can get someone or if we can use other motors.