Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => 'Business' Area : Buy/Sell/Trade => Topic started by: Laschek on September 16, 2014, 09:41:59 AM
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We consider selling our Atari/Kee Tank upright but need a clue on prices working/non-working.
It worked when we got it about 15(?) years ago but didn't anymore when plugged in for the 2nd time about 5 years ago, after it was moved from storage to my house.
Hadn't got the time yet to check, maybe its just some lose connectors or a fuse ;D
Overall condition is not the best, it shows it's age of 40 years.
Any ideas? :)
This is the only picture I happen to have at hand right now, let's play "Spot the Tank" :P :
(http://abload.de/img/img_757638xoe.jpg)
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Even without having solved the pricing riddle, I hereby declare interest ;)
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Sorry, I already have someone interested, that's why I'm looking for a price range, but you are 2nd on the list ;)
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Untested Atari stuff? I'd through in 30 bucks. ;D
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Please keep away from my thread if you have nothing useful to say. Thanks.
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Ok.
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Uhh...so first we may act as your "price guide" while the machine is not for sale to anyone here on the forum and next when somebody makes a joke you act like being stung by a wasp......WTF ??
I call this bullshit behavior x2.
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André, you should really stop caring about stuff that is none of your business, you keep acting like the forum police and it annoys the heck out of me.
1) You don't know the story behind it, WuKo's comment was a lame attempt to tease me because of something between the two of us
2) How do you know that the guy interested is not on this forum? I never mentioned that.
And since when are you obliged to sell everything to forum members?
I keep reading all the time about this super-duper "community", I can't see any of it right now.
I am sorry to think that this would be the place where I could find competent people who could help me finding a price for that cab. Seems I was wrong.
Jesus Christ...
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Calm down, guys.
André doesn't know the story behind it and I wasn't fast enough to post something that could explain the situation.
André wants to keep/make this a working community where people help each other and he wants to avoid trouble. If you ever met him in person you know he's not the guy to make or cause trouble.
I don't think there's something wrong asking a price for a cab / part you want to sell. And I'm sure André thinks the same way. It's just he doesn't know the story behind the scenes.
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Laschek : as far as I remember, your cab is in pretty good condition considering his age.
Great two players game, and I think (250-300)€ is a good price if not working.
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Laschek,
This is called a FORUM, not ebay.
Expect opinions here.
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Laschek,
This is called a FORUM, not ebay.
Expect opinions here.
i have to agree here with andré, laschek.
no need to be rude. we had enough temper here in the past weeks.
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The joke was a just a check to see if the hate (caused by an argument we had in another forum) was still active (which seems to be the case ;D). I'm sorry if I had offended you, Laschek and sorry for the offtopic stuff. Please delete this. :)
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The joke was a just a check to see if the hate (caused by an argument we had in another forum) was still active (which seems to be the case ;D). I'm sorry if I had offended you, Laschek and sorry for the offtopic stuff. Please delete this. :)
this again was a good expample of misunderstanding. just make everything clear in the beginning cause of course such a cab draws attention to it and there is a possibility that a dlf-member would like to buy it.
it is one thing to cause such a misunderstanding... but is it really that hard to face the reactions? just say: sorry, forgot to mention that it is promised to somebody allready... and everything is cool, with everybody. it is not cool to say: "ahh.. everybody keeps mentioning how great this board is.. i don´t feel anything like that.". if you would have been at the eurocade for example, laschek, you would exactely know what i am talking about. this went far beyond collecting cabs.
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Laschek,
This is called a FORUM, not ebay.
Expect opinions here.
i have to agree here with andré, laschek.
no need to be rude. we had enough temper here in the past weeks.
I'm sorry, but read again and then tell me who is rude...
I have been accused of "bullshit behavior" by some guy without any clue what is going on basically because I wanted some help in finding a price, nothing else.
Thank you very much.
And yes, I know that this is a FORUM, not Ebay, that's why I came here and asked for HELP!
Too much optimism on my part, I guess.
Besides, if you are referring to the temper that went on in Synonyms roadtrip thread..., IMO that was to a great deal caused by greedy "me want!" comments by people who are not able to wait until the guy had his deal through, I am sick and tired of behaviour like that and I am sick and tired of some people in this "great" arcade "community".
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just say: sorry, forgot to mention that it is promised to somebody allready... and everything is cool, with everybody. it is not cool to say: "ahh.. everybody keeps mentioning how great this board is.. i don´t feel anything like that.". if you would have been at the eurocade for example, laschek, you would exactely know what i am talking about. this went far beyond collecting cabs.
Seriously now, are you kidding me?
Read my 2nd post:
"Sorry, I already have someone interested, that's why I'm looking for a price range, but you are 2nd on the list Wink"
What is wrong about that sentence?
The community part you mention came AFTER André pissed on me.
I don't care about Eurocade, I don't care about any meetings, I am not interested in that. I have no interest in meeting people, and after all that crap going on here I feel asured about that.
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Besides, if you are referring to the temper that went on in Synonyms roadtrip thread..., IMO that was to a great deal caused by greedy "me want!" comments by people who are not able to wait until the guy had his deal through, I am sick and tired of behaviour like that and I am sick and tired of some people in this "great" arcade "community".
sorry dude... this is a bit heavy on your side.
take me for example: i was out of the deal as soon as soon as i knew i had to make an offer. i did not like how it went from there on and i am not alone with that opinion. if i am not allowed to say that then there is allways the possibility for Bruno to ban me or to pause me. but i have my opinion and i think i am free to express that here to the public. you can deal with it in a grown up way or you can act like a little child. we all know what happened.
i talked to tons of people about how it went and they all will tell you pretty much the same.
you call the people creedy? why? i would have been willing to spend a serious amout for a Space Ace... but of course I need to have more informations. it is ironic that you are starting to defend somebody you made fun of first when you feel the board or certain members are treating you wrong. why not taking a deep breath and think about how to prevent such things from happening?
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if you are referring to the temper that went on in Synonyms roadtrip thread..., IMO that was to a great deal caused by greedy "me want!" comments by people who are not able to wait until the guy had his deal through, I am sick and tired of behaviour like that and I am sick and tired of some people in this "great" arcade "community".
This is really not true. People were literally asked to do inquiries in the actual thread bnefore it got out of control.
But this topic has been derailed enough as it is.
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Seriously now, are you kidding me?
Read my 2nd post:
"Sorry, I already have someone interested, that's why I'm looking for a price range, but you are 2nd on the list Wink"
What is wrong about that sentence?
The community part you mention came AFTER André pissed on me.
I don't care about Eurocade, I don't care about any meetings, I am not interested in that. I have no interest in meeting people, and after all that crap going on here I feel asured about that.
nothing is wrong.. but right after that you made a rude statement to Wurstkopp. Nobody knows the beef between you and him here so it just sounded harsh. Is that so hard to see?
I also don´t get the aggression against me. this is a discussion. i am not going to tell you what to understand and who to understand... but i expect the same from you.
just let me tell you: you do sound harsh sometimes. here and in the german boards. i met you in person and you were the opposite. it is totally okay that you like to stay on your own. maybe it is better for you alltough i found you to be a really nice guy back then. you helped me a lot. but if you really consider the last two weeks "all this crap going on here"... maybe this is not the right place for you? not to tell you that you should leave... not want you to leave either cause i think you are respected european collector. but honestly... let people comment on stuff without freaking out. we had this before... it does not suit you right.
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if you are referring to the temper that went on in Synonyms roadtrip thread..., IMO that was to a great deal caused by greedy "me want!" comments by people who are not able to wait until the guy had his deal through, I am sick and tired of behaviour like that and I am sick and tired of some people in this "great" arcade "community".
This is really not true. People were literally asked to do inquiries in the actual thread bnefore it got out of control.
But this topic has been derailed enough as it is.
:spaceace:
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I don't care about Eurocade, I don't care about any meetings, I am not interested in that. I have no interest in meeting people, and after all that crap going on here I feel asured about that.
Isn't it funny to read this and that comes from the same man who wrote this a couple of hours before:
I keep reading all the time about this super-duper "community", I can't see any of it right now.
Your contributions to this community have been........uhhh......mmmmm....selling and buying stuff.
Otherwise you never leave your house as you claimed yourself.
That's just fine, everybody lives his life as he wants, but don't start complaining about "community" if you do not even want to be part of it......and YET....you expect this same community to help you value your cab !!!
Now, If you'll excuse me...I need to take a piss......
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Ah, so my reaction to WuKos unnecessary comment was harsh, but his doing so was not.
Interesting.
Oh my god, oh my fucking god.
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Please, it's ok now.
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I don't care about Eurocade, I don't care about any meetings, I am not interested in that. I have no interest in meeting people, and after all that crap going on here I feel asured about that.
Isn't it funny to read this and that comes from the same man who wrote this a couple of hours before:
I keep reading all the time about this super-duper "community", I can't see any of it right now.
Your contributions to this community have been........uhhh......mmmmm....selling and buying stuff.
Otherwise you never leave your house as you claimed yourself.
That's just fine, everybody lives his life as he wants, but don't start complaining about "community" if you do not even want to be part of it......and YET....you expect this same community to help you value your cab !!!
Now, I need to take a piss......
Very funny.
I am laughing my ass off.
Ok, just because I am not very active on this forum (for good reason) means I contribute nothing to the arcade community?
This is ridiculous and shows how narrow minded you are and that (again) you have no clue what you are talking about.
There is more than just this forum, this is not the center of the arcadeworld, I like to think in a more wider range.
-Over the years I have saved dozens of cabs and hundreds of PCBs from getting dumbed, I did not get them for free, I had to put good money in that plus it was a lot of work and took a lot of my spare time.
-Many, many of those cabs and boards went to other collectors who were happy about it.
-In the last 4(?) years I scanned a few thousand (!) pages of manuals, schematics, flyers, cleaned them up, made them into searchable pdfs, and uploaded them in various places for EVERYONE to use. I have still lots and lots to do, but I am starting to lose interest, guess why.
-On numerous ocassions I helped people identify PCBs just by photos
-I can't even count how often I went through boxes, cupboards, etc. to find a board, a spare part, whatever, in order to look something up for someone and/or snap a pic and upload it
-I work as an online database editor and manual editor for KLOV which is pretty tedious given the crappy system that it is built on
-I have contributed the ROMs from our ultra rare Loverboy PCB for EVERYONE to "enjoy" in MAME.
Just because I don't play MrKnowItAll on here doesn't give you the right to blame me for not contributing to arcade community, so do me a favor and STOP!
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250 non working, 350 working i think
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Thanks.
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....and to think CKONG and I risked our lives one time to help him because he drove a complete wreck up to Belgium to pick up some cabs and didn't have any ADAC subscription to help him out when the wreck failed on the highway.....ah whatever....I have better things to do.
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Ok, just because I am not very active on this forum (for good reason)
but yet it is good enough to help you out, right?
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Yep...and he also does come out of his house when it's beneficial for _him_ (picking up cheap caps in a Belgian warehouse).....
The difference between you and me is that you apparently think it's OK to insult people when they don't agree with you.
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Yeah, and don't forget to mention that Ully literally had to beg multiple times for you to FINALLY help us out just a short distance before the location where you were.
Thanks very much, that's what I call "community".
And yeah that "complete wreck" looked pretty bad on the outside because of rust on non-important parts, but was in perfectly good technical shape, the german technical inspection you have to go to regularly is pretty strict, you know?
I hope you never get a flat tire while driving on a motorway.
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The difference between you and me is that you apparently think it's OK to insult people when they don't agree with you.
Yeah, right, WHO insulted WHO?
You called out "bullshit behviour", not me.
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The difference between you and me is that you apparently think it's OK to insult people when they don't agree with you.
Yeah, right, WHO insulted WHO?
You called out "bullshit behviour", not me.
even if it was a misunderstanding in first place... it transformed to some kind of it by now. :(
i find it strange to believe that you hold it against Level42 that he was asked to help you out. It is not a natural thing to help anybody any time. Every single one, you included, has the right to help whoever you would like... or to stay silent and choose not to.
as a matter of fact we all have closer connections to certain members for several reasons. if somebody does not like me for whatever that might be... that´s okay with me. i am sure that i will notice this by the way we talk here or when we meet. but i don´t expect help in such a case anyway.
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Laschek, I'm not responsible for what has happened here and surely not for your own behaviour, so please stop those pms. All I did was checking out how you are feeling - and you know that. It was try no. 7845 to apologise for something I don't even feel responsible for but - knowing that you are stubborn bastard (and this is meant friendly) - I thought it's the only way to rescue our, well, let's call it "relationship". I now know that this is not possible and that's okay.
Again sorry for trying, won't happen again.
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Tyrem, I don't get it, again you take the (rude) stuff that Andre said and turn it against me. I only reacted to the nonsense he said concerning my car (that he knew NOTHING about). Imagine yourself with a flat tire (due to horrible road damages) on a busy motorway in a foreign country, just mere MINUTES away from the destination where you are supposed to meet the other guys and they refuse to help. We just needed a better car jack, it took longer to beg for help than it actually took to change the tire.
Yeah, blame me for not having ADAC insurance (which I had/have, just not for abroad, where I almost never travel), blame me for having a crappy car jack, alright, but this is not the behaviour I aexpect from people that always hold the "community" and "friendship" flag up high. Especially as I thought at the time that those people were already friends to Ully (I think I was pretty new at the time).
Anyway, bringing up this stupid story only shows to me that Andre just hasn't anything better to say. Thats just childish.
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Laschek, I'm not responsible for what has happened here and surely not for your own behaviour, so please stop those pms. All I did was checking out how you are feeling - and you know that. It was try no. 7845 to apologise for something I don't even feel responsible for but - knowing that you are stubborn bastard (and this is meant friendly) - I thought it's the only way to rescue our, well, let's call it "relationship". I now know that this is not possible and that's okay.
Again sorry for trying, won't happen again.
I wrote exactly one PM in which I asked you to stop bothering me in any further way, shape, or form.
Which you do now despite.
Why do you use a pricecheck to check "how I am feeling"?
Sounds pretty offtopic to me.
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I wrote exactly one PM in which I asked you to stop bothering me in any further way, shape, or form.
Which you do now despite.
You also insulted me being responsible for your behaviour here. Which I'm not.
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Then who else is?
Not me, thats for sure.
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Tyrem, I don't get it, again you take the (rude) stuff that Andre said and turn it against me. I only reacted to the nonsense he said concerning my car (that he knew NOTHING about). Imagine yourself with a flat tire (due to horrible road damages) on a busy motorway in a foreign country, just mere MINUTES away from the destination where you are supposed to meet the other guys and they refuse to help. We just needed a better car jack, it took longer to beg for help than it actually took to change the tire.
Yeah, blame me for not having ADAC insurance (which I had/have, just not for abroad, where I almost never travel), blame me for having a crappy car jack, alright, but this is not the behaviour I aexpect from people that always hold the "community" and "friendship" flag up high. Especially as I thought at the time that those people were already friends to Ully (I think I was pretty new at the time).
Anyway, bringing up this stupid story only shows to me that Andre just hasn't anything better to say. Thats just childish.
well... i felt like andré when this started and i expressed the feelings that i did so. i did try to stay calm and i did not say anything rude neither i brought up stories about you or other people.
it was just an advice: you sound harsh sometimes. maybe it is because you want to... or try to.. but maybe it is an "accident" that was not meant to be that way.
shooting against DLF for example. not cool if you ask me. 95% of the people here are not involved in anything that made you mad.
calling us creedy... don´t know if that is a good base for the future. i say it again: i would be sad if you go. but just try to understand that things happen for a reason.
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Then who else is?
Not me, thats for sure.
Of course not. And of course only you have the right to bid 30 bucks on untested + rare Atari stuff. My deepest apologies.
Btw: I'm off for a long shit now. Have a nice life.
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Then who else is?
Not me, thats for sure.
ahm... of course you are. the way you deal with situations is completely up to you.
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Yeah, and don't forget to mention that Ully literally had to beg multiple times for you to FINALLY help us out just a short distance before the location where you were.
Thanks very much, that's what I call "community".
And yeah that "complete wreck" looked pretty bad on the outside because of rust on non-important parts, but was in perfectly good technical shape, the german technical inspection you have to go to regularly is pretty strict, you know?
I hope you never get a flat tire while driving on a motorway.
Ohhh hahaahahahahaha, and there we have it.....this has been smothering for years I guess and why you don't like me..... it had to come out one day right ?
Now I am LMAO :)
Let's tell the full story with all the facts for the people who "tuned in" later here...
1) I discover a warehouse with a lot of nice cabs in Belgium
2) I want one machine. One. A Berzerk. But there are two more Berzerks and there are 4 Centipedes and 1 Armor Attack. I ask around who's interested and set-up a deal that everyone is happy about. That is a community thing AND in my own interest as well yes, because I "earned" one free Berzerk.
3) I transport all the cabs to my place with the help of a friend who only charges me the petrol for his van and trailer.
4) There is plenty more stuff in the warehouse that I am not interested in OR that I simply cannot house. SO, I set up a "community" buy so that the cabs will be saved and friends in the community can get a cab they like. That is a community thing. I earned not a single cent on that deal !!! I _SPECIFICALLY_ indicated on the forum here that I would stay COMPLETELY out of any deals and that they had to do their own dealing with the seller. Everyone agreed.
5) I arrange it with the seller and the buyers to be there at a certain date and time.
5) You guys decide to come with a, let's say, "questionable" van that was not equipped with a proper working jack
6) Everyone shows up on time at the right place except you and Ully. You guys were already way too late and we hear nothing about it...THEN, while we are literarily with the hand-trucks with cabs in our hands, loading them up, you guys call for help.
We asked if you guys couldn't call the ADAC (ADAC is the German ANWB for the Dutch guys, in Belgium it's "Touring") because a) we are no car mechanics b) were kinda busy otherwise already c) CKONG had rented a _decent_ van that had to be returned in time to prevent having to pay an extra day of rent.
You guys said you didn't have any ADAC membership (very smart for a 20+ year old van) and couldn't ring them (actually you still can, you just have to pay....)
SO....
7) We said we would come as quickly as we could, but you guys expected us to drop everything we had in our hands and drive right away to you guys. What kind of logic is that ??
8 ) We drove up to you guys, had to search in a foreign country with no possible navigation (we didn't bring maps, I know where the warehouse is by heart), parked on the shoulder of a busy high-way so you could use our jack....
9) all for that we got shitty messages afterwards that we should have helped right away...
Since when are WE responsible for YOUR choice to be cheap-asses and drive a crumbly van that had no jack on board ??
And now you blame us ?!?!
Here is the facts: you are one kind of a weird human being to think in that logic and I am awfully glad to not have you around me at any time.
Have fun playing your machines by yourself in your cave.
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Then who else is?
Not me, thats for sure.
Of course not. And of course only you have the right to bid 30 bucks on untested + rare Atari stuff. My deepest apologies.
Btw: I'm off for a long shit now. Have a nice life.
Now this überlame, you are twisting the facts and you know that.
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please leave me out of that shit, guys!!!
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Oh, Andre, you are a true hero!
And obviously you didn't read properly what I read.
But I don't care, go on with your bitching and whining, go on blaming me for whatever bothers you, blame me for ISIS and the global warming, I don't give a rats ass about you or anybody else here anymore.
Over&Out.
(Sorry, Ully, I apologize, I just wanted to present facts.)
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Oh, Andre, you are a true hero!
Thanks !
And so are you, ID-ing PCB pics and scanning some stuff ! Totally awesome.
And obviously you didn't read properly what I read.
Indeed, I did not read what you read.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Over and out.
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I still think its a 250 - 300 euro cabinet..
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I still think its a 250 - 300 euro cabinet..
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I still think its a 250 - 300 euro cabinet..
:D
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I still think its a 250 - 300 euro cabinet..
You've a look at the first page :spaceace: !
PS : Tyrem is still a follower.
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I know you posted that, but so did i, check page 2! ;D
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=5708.msg83772#msg83772
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I still think its a 250 - 300 euro cabinet..
You've a look at the first page :spaceace: !
PS : Tyrem is still a follower.
what is a follower? :D
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5) I arrange it with the seller and the buyers to be there at a certain date and time.
5) You guys decide to come with a, let's say, "questionable" van that was not equipped with a proper working jack
6) Everyone shows up on time at the right place except you and Ully. You guys were already way too late and we hear nothing about it...THEN, while we are literarily with the hand-trucks with cabs in our hands, loading them up, you guys call for help.
We asked if you guys couldn't call the ADAC (ADAC is the German ANWB for the Dutch guys, in Belgium it's "Touring") because a) we are no car mechanics b) were kinda busy otherwise already c) CKONG had rented a _decent_ van that had to be returned in time to prevent having to pay an extra day of rent.
You guys said you didn't have any ADAC membership (very smart for a 20+ year old van) and couldn't ring them (actually you still can, you just have to pay....)
SO....
7) We said we would come as quickly as we could, but you guys expected us to drop everything we had in our hands and drive right away to you guys. What kind of logic is that ??
8 ) We drove up to you guys, had to search in a foreign country with no possible navigation (we didn't bring maps, I know where the warehouse is by heart), parked on the shoulder of a busy high-way so you could use our jack....
9) all for that we got shitty messages afterwards that we should have helped right away.
Oh yeah, I remember that crazy day, we first picked up the night driver cab with the rented van, remember André? And then, while loading our games at the Belgium warehouse we got a call and we were asked to drop everything and help some guys out (not all forum members are friends, but I respect most of them). Knowing that we had a strict time limit because of the rented van and because there is something like a Belgian Adac we of course didn't. We loaded our games as quickly as possible and drove off to the rescue. The detour, again with the rented van (not unlimited mileage) to the broken van was not just a few kilometers, but about 40 km's in total. Boy, we really had to put the pedal to the metal to return the van in time because don't forget, we also had to unload our games in a storage in Rotterdam. Mostly you can laugh afterwards about these kind oc 'events', but I never could about this one. ???
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Ok, just some facts to consider against some continously nonsensical remarks going on:
-I am a member of ADAC since 2000. Basic membership covers Germany only. For coverage in foreign countries too you need to pay for "Gold" membership (whatever it is called). I usually never make road trips by car to foreign countries. The trip to Belgium had been the first since about 10 years and the last one since.
So why buy Gold membership for a trip lasting not even a day? Nobody would do that. I have bills to pay and can't waste money on things I don't need.
My co-driver had gold membership, but ADAC refused to acknowledge it because he didn't drive. Not because he wasn't the owner of the car, but because he didn't drive. If we only claimed that he drove it would have been ok. Sincerity gets punished. Go figure.
-The car jack I had with me (the one supplied by the car manufacturer) could not be used because due to the way it was built: the flat tire caused the heavy front (motor) to hang down towards the ground that much so that it was impossible to fit the the jack beneath it
-My car looked crappy, yes, but was technically perfectly alright. Don't judge a book by its cover. I would have loved to have a nicer car but I am not rich and simply cannot afford it. At the time this van was my only car and I had to use it to drive to work, shopping, everything.
-The tire blew because of extremely damaged belgian roads, not because my car "was a wreck". I have never seen damaged roads like that.
-When my friends and I started this hobby and did some warehouse raids we took all the stuff by ourselves and did not do generous "community raids" because in the late 90s/early00s there was no community, none of the forums I know today existed. I signed up to the first one in 2005.
-"Scanning some stuff" might not be as heroical as helping people get cabs but it so happens to be one of the small things I am able to provide for everyone. I can't repair other peoples PCBs but I had been willing to sit down and scan and process 5000+ pages of stuff and upload for other people to use for their repairs/building adapters/etc. I don't even put my name in flaming red letters on the front because I don't do it for any acknowledgement. Though it sure is nice to get any. Still have hundreds and hundreds of pages to do. It's a stupid and tiring work, and sometimes I feel stupid and tired because I do it.
-Wurstkopp and I know each other for years from the german forums. Even in times when we where in good terms with each other I probably would have answered to his "joke" the way I did here. I might even be really rude and write "Shut up and piss off, asshole" and no one would be pissed about it because that was the way we were joking at each other. André doesn't know shit about me and just because I don't go to community meetings doesn't mean I don't know anyone in person. It is always a good thing to shut up if you don't know the background of things and moreso even if it is none of your business. It was "my" thread, Wurstkopps posting had nothing to do with my question, don't I have the right to ask him to stop offtopic remarks? I think so. But I may be wrong, but then the only person with that right is Bruno, nobody else.
I am seriously astonished about the BS going on here and I should really be disappointed in some of those people posting here that I considered decent human beings.
Oh well, lesson learned, life goes on, stupidity never ends.
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I am seriously astonished about the BS going on here and I should really be disappointed in some of those people posting here that I considered decent human beings.
Oh well, lesson learned, life goes on, stupidity never ends.
so this is your conclusion after all this? then i am the one who is disappointed.
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Cool down guys, move along, there's nothing to see here...
;D
Could you please come back to "on topic"?
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250 - 350 € game depending on condition
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Cool down guys, move along, there's nothing to see here...
;D
Could you please come back to "on topic"?
i am totally cool yet somehow quite disappointed.
i guess the question was answered a long time ago anyway.
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;D ... ;)