Author Topic: Q*bert. A man and his grail... FINISHED !!!  (Read 315960 times)

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #465 on: May 28, 2015, 08:12:41 PM »
OK....well....I figured I might be able to actually trim this with a pair of scissors....and it works great !

I had to get off the top and bottom parts right under and over the raised edge. That way I could get it to be resting on the CRT AND fixed between the wood.

Popped the bezel over it and......IT"S PERFECT !!!!!!!!


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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #466 on: May 28, 2015, 08:15:48 PM »
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Robin, this saved me a LOT of money for shipping !!!!

Damn I love the people on this forum and the arcade community....helping each other where we can.....love it !!!!

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Now all I need is the coin door back from the sandblaster...no news on that yet.

Oh, and Muddymusic on UKvac is taking care of a new CPO. Inkjet yes, I don't give a @!#?@! as long as it looks good and will NOT CRACK !  ;D

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #467 on: May 28, 2015, 08:18:59 PM »
Very nice Andre

I have a paperboy cpo from olly that looks very nice. So keep kalm and play qbert


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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #468 on: May 28, 2015, 08:33:53 PM »
Great to hear !

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #469 on: June 08, 2015, 12:37:48 PM »
OK.....so my Q*bert works but there is this "super-cap" installed to replace the back-up batteries on my PCB.

However, a "super-cap" doesn't keep the power for as long as I want (without powering up the machine every day).

The most common used solution is to use some Dallas battery backed SRAM modules like this:
http://www.jrok.com/sohs/qb-upg.html

However, these modules have some disadvantages:
- They're insanely expensive at about 16 dollars....that makes 32 just for the units, without shipping...
- relatively hard to find
- when you're going to have to replace them.......your hi-scores are gone....OK it won't be until (over) 10 years....but it's the idea ;)

These modules are not much more than an SRAM (those are already on the board) and a lithium cell in one case.

My preferred method is to install a CR2032 holder and battery. Done that successfully on my Berzerk f.i.

The one thing you need to take care of is that there is no charging going on anymore.

Here's the battery circuit of Q*bert:

It works like this: When the power is off the battery supplies 3.6V through diode D3, bypassing R40.
When power is on, the +5V is parallel to the battery voltage and charges it through R40.
D2 stops the battery voltage from being fed-back towards the other +5V powered chips (about the entire board ;))
C27 is there to straighten any fluctuations I suppose.

Now...if I replace B1 with a non-chargeable battery I have to make sure it won't be charged anymore. In this cas, I can simple remove R40.

This way the +5V will be still going through D2 but will be stopped by D3 when power is on.
When power is off, the battery will still provide it's voltage through D3 and D2 stops it being fed-back to the rest of the +5V power chips.

Normally I'd have to use Schottky diodes to minimize the energy loss across the diode when the battery is supplying power. However, I checked the datasheet of the 1N4454 diode ( https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/1N/1N4454.pdf ) and it specs it as a "high conductance" diode but doesn't say "Schottky" anywhere.
I guess I'll just replace D3 with a 1N5817 anyway...that way I'm sure of things (works on Berzerk board nicely too :)). It's not like that diode will break the bank (not even mine ;))

Costs:
- CR2032 battery: €0,45
- holder: €0,56
- 1N5817 €0,061

Total: about 1 Euro  ;D ;D ;D

So this solution has the following advantages:
- a LOT cheaper
- possible to replace battery without loosing hi-scores (cab must be powered on during replacement!)

Disadvantage: a little bit harder to install the socket, may require drilling a hole, haven't looked into it yet.
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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #470 on: June 10, 2015, 05:45:20 PM »
Technical question, why is there a resistor on top of the big blue, connecting the two poles?

On my big blue the resistor is only connected to one pole (it probably broke off the other pole) and the game is still behaving normal.

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #471 on: June 10, 2015, 06:25:09 PM »
Try to reconnect it or install a new one. I think it's there to "carefully" get rid of the energy still in the "Big Blue" after you turn it off.

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #472 on: June 11, 2015, 07:24:05 PM »
Good....in return, can you check your coin counter for me please ?

I need to know its specced voltage and type number would be nice. Also, if possible, have a look which wire goes to the plus and which to the minus, both wires from the counter itself will probably be black, but there are two holes in the bracket so one is on top and the other on the bottom. I have no idea if polarity is important with coin counters though.

I tried to unscrew my coin counter to check the specs, unfortunately one screw is 'dol'  and won't get loose. Anyway, i hope this picture will help, the red wire goes to the top hole, the black wire through the bottom hole. I measured only 0.18 VDC on the pins of the connector though, can't be right.




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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #473 on: June 11, 2015, 08:17:37 PM »
Thanks, that answers half my question  ;D

Ha, I guessed right to connect the red one to the top wire. It may very well not matter though.

It's perfectly normal that there is no voltage on the wires. There will only be a (short) voltage peak on it when the counter needs to do a "tic", in other words, if you credit the machine (throw in a quarter, or manually move the micro-switch) the PCB will send a short voltage to the counter to move it one position.

So....can you answer the other half of my question ? Have a look at the counter itself....should be some yellow text and logo on it. Picture would be great :)

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #474 on: June 11, 2015, 11:58:53 PM »
Here you go:


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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #475 on: June 12, 2015, 12:29:45 AM »
Thanks !!!!

Well that confirms that I have the wrong kind....it's 6V or so....

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #476 on: June 12, 2015, 05:15:08 AM »
Then you better get two of them, if you need 12V!  :D

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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #477 on: June 13, 2015, 11:57:42 PM »
In wire them in series....LOL ! :) Might even work. Or I could put a voltage regulator in front of it to lower it....

Anyway, I have my machine on free-play, it's not going to add came to the counter, but I'd still like to make it possible....

Anyway.....back on the battery mod !

Let's see what's on my PCB right now ?

1) Hah, that's not the original battery (thankfully) but a Super-cap of 1F. That's right, not 1uF (or micro F) but F....that's a lot....really a lot.
So it's a "regular" cap like any else, only with a crazy capacity. So much that it is almost like a rechargeable battery.

However, it doesn't keep energy for as long as I'd like...well .....I think it doesn't because I've had my hi-score table reset a couple of times.

2) Let's have a look at D2, D3 and R40 situation. Mmmm, D3 is gone, but R40 still there. Kinda weird cause this causes the cap to always discharge through the resistor which only wastes energy....D3 is (IMHO) meant to bypass the (charging) resistor R40 when the battery is delivering energy (cab powered off).


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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #478 on: June 14, 2015, 12:00:43 AM »
1) I also notice something I really do not like: Battery-leak damage ! (Not acid....batteries have a base material inside...the effect is the same...stuff get's eaten.......)

I measured from the + connection to the left side of the resistor and amazingly the contact seems still fine....

2) General look after removing the super-cap.....meeeeehhhhh....it's funny how the PCB was really Greeen once, but now is more brownish....gonna need Retro-bright ;)





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Re: Q*bert. A man and his grail...
« Reply #479 on: June 14, 2015, 12:06:23 AM »
1) So let's give it some nice acid (white vinegar) bath....I see very little (if anything) going on, previous battery-leak damgage usually generates some nice reaction in the form of bubbles but not this time...



2) So cleaned that off and soldered in the new battery holder. It's a 20 mm. holder for CR-2032 batteries. Gottlieb designers were kind enough to provide some extra holes for the battery and between two it almost fits perfectly, with a tiny but of bending the legs.

While I'm at it, I also remove R40 and install a fresh D3, namely a Schottky diode 1N5817.