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Title: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Digimon on February 01, 2014, 04:49:18 PM
Hi Folks,

I have tried to reassemble one of my cabs.

Everything works fine now, it is a 22Pin harness, so I had to rework the pinout.

The only thing left is the coin signal. like usual it's only one Signal from the PCB.

To my mind it should be on PIN 6, but there is no Signal;-(

It's my only cab with that Coin PCB;-(


Anyone around to confirm the Signal is on Pin 6 and/or 7?


CU
Digi

(http://www.proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Coin_pcb_new/PCB.JPG)
(http://www.proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Coin_pcb_new/PCB_connect.JPG)
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Digimon on February 01, 2014, 05:34:37 PM
found it an a different Manual;-)


It's pin 8;-)

seems to be a Problem in the PCB;-(

(http://www.proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Coin_pcb_new/PCB_plan.JPG)
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Belike on February 01, 2014, 07:26:12 PM
Let me know if you can't repair it, I'm not sure, but I might have a spare one somewhere.
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: level42 on February 01, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
Can't you just bypass that thing ?
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Digimon on February 02, 2014, 05:05:49 PM
Thanks guys,

I solved it. The Eprom was weak;-(

I just burned a new one and everything is fine now ;D
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Belike on February 02, 2014, 06:13:34 PM
Good, I didn't know that there is an eprom in a coin mechanism. :D
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Digimon on February 05, 2014, 07:31:11 PM
Yeah, it's a 2764 (labeled coin 1)
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Frame on September 29, 2014, 11:26:43 PM


The only thing left is the coin signal. like usual it's only one Signal from the PCB.

To my mind it should be on PIN 6, but there is no Signal;-(


Hi Digi!
Can you explain me the meaning of this card? I relize it's like a "coin counter" manager...but I need more details.

..I have 2 of this PCB... one  have a "Red Button" like yours, the other it's in the photo bleow (without any button).
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on September 30, 2014, 09:50:36 AM
Its simple, many of the zaccaria's have 3 coinslots, so an operator can decide to accept different coins.

example, 0,50 euro 1 play , 1 Euro 2 plays, etc etc etc

Most of the boards one credit is one credit, you can sometimes adjust the coinage on the pcb, but then its for all coin trigger the same.

so they incorporated this board which allows for different pulses to the coin input of the board per coinshute.

makes sence ?  ;)
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Frame on September 30, 2014, 10:46:55 AM
so they incorporated this board which allows for different pulses to the coin input of the board per coinshute.

makes sence ?  ;)

Thanks Etienne for explain me.

What's the maening of the button in same of this card? (like Digi's one and one of mine).
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: ajhippel on September 30, 2014, 11:06:02 AM
Good, I didn't know that there is an eprom in a coin mechanism. :D

wow... i have never seen a coin mechanism with a CPU 8035 (the same processor for sound on a donkey kong /jr boards) and a EPROM.

What the heck are they "processing" ?  :)
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on September 30, 2014, 11:17:32 AM
coin pulses i guess  :D

button i dont know, mine are different than this picture, and has no button

do you have a pic of the board with button ?

Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Frame on October 01, 2014, 09:15:01 AM
do you have a pic of the board with button ?

Soon the photo of my board...but it's look like Digimon's one (button red on the left side near Red & Withe cable).

Thank for explain about this board...finally! I have ask about it in Italian forum but no one was able to explain me the meaning...

In Italy (since I have memory for it) the "universal token", for arcade in bar was the "200 Lire" coin.... I don't remember one arcade machine that accapt a mix of Italian coin...at least multiples of it (for ex.: Dragon's Lair was a pain: usually 2 or more token..)

Only when I passed one summer holydays in south of Italy (Calabria.. about 1986..don't remember exactly the year) I remember a Frogger (not Zaccaria probably) that run with 100 Lire only: half price Arcade play!!
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on October 01, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
whoops, i did not scroll to the top  ;D

anyway, mine does not have a button, digi, what happens when you push the button ?

Maybe its some kind of service button ?  i have 3 coin switches, and when i flip switch 1, it gives alot of credits without the use of the actual counter.
the other two registers the pulses to the counter.

maybe its for service personel that need to test the game without upping the counter so that the counter matches the real coins inserted ?

anyway, Its in every zacc manual how to adjust individual coinmechs, and also there are sheets of coininsert labels in every manual i have seen.
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: vernimark on October 01, 2014, 01:54:20 PM
coin pulses i guess  :D

button i dont know, mine are different than this picture, and has no button

do you have a pic of the board with button ?



Hi Etienne, is your coin board like this?
http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Dsc_0829.jpg
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on October 01, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
no, its this:

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase1/6.jpg)
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: vernimark on October 01, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
yep. this one probably.
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Frame on October 01, 2014, 05:36:09 PM

digi, what happens when you push the button ?

NO Digi! Don't do it!

It's should be the should be the ZASS (Zaccaria Anti-booleg Splash System!): the utlimate Italian solution to fight the PCB piracy!
..once you press the button have 5 minute left to leave the city!
..check for a TNT charge under the marquee  

Etienne: here the my "ZASS" card!

Digimon: .ops...too late? ...Stars Splash!


Vernimark: ciao!




Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: PaulSwan on October 03, 2014, 05:27:53 AM
Yes, there are two types if credit boards, the earlier one 1B1145 that's all CMOS with simple adjustments and the later 1B1185 that has complicated adjustments and can deal with every known weird coinage across three coin slots as it was back then in Europe pre Euro :)

The button is a service credit button.

The schematics for both are in various manuals.

Paul.
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: Frame on October 03, 2014, 06:45:49 AM

The schematics for both are in various manuals.


Thanks Paul.... I have same generic Zaccaria, anc of course no one manual.
There is a way to have one for refer to?
I have never seen one... if there is someone on the net...the manual can explain me many thing I have ask for in another forum..
Title: Re: Zaccaria Coin PCB 1B1185 - Coin Signal
Post by: PaulSwan on October 03, 2014, 04:43:18 PM

1B1145:
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/SolarFoxRestoration/FR/Schematic%201B1145.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/SolarFoxRestoration/FR/Schematic%201B1145.JPG)

1B1185:
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/HyperSportsRestoration/FR/Schematic%20GETT.jpg

Paul.