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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2015, 12:22:26 AM »
The 5101 is a CMOS RAM often used for battery backup. 2101 is a fast TTL RAM.
The 5101 has weaker drive and much slower timing than 2101. 2101 likely has more bus loading.
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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2015, 12:33:19 AM »
Ah. I ve to verify if i have both.
Could they be the cause of the reset?

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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2015, 12:34:18 AM »
Possibly, yes - I'd replace with the right type and see.
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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2015, 01:46:58 AM »
10 rams replaced and continues to reset

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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2015, 03:55:22 AM »
I can see removing EPROM in position 46 nothing changes

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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2015, 05:29:49 AM »
A bad ROM or bad ROM decoder. There is not much to this hardware, really. It's very simple.
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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2015, 11:31:01 AM »
EPROM inolved is #5 (position 46). Its CRC is correct (bdae09fe), anyway I burned another one and nothing changed.

So I replaced the LS155 in position 41 (on my PCB is labaled 41/LS156) but nothing changed again.

Actually even if I proceeded quite well during the night now I've no idea what to check. probably the EPROM socked but I don't know what else. TTLs I tested seem to work.


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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2015, 06:51:54 PM »
What type of EPROM is it?
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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2015, 07:08:26 PM »
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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2015, 07:56:09 PM »
There are some editions of The Invaders that use PROMS and do not have all the three supplies implemented on the power board to be able to drive a board populated with 2708. The effect of that is that the game doesn't run properly. Therefore, check you have +12, -5 & +5V on your power supply.
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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2015, 08:08:34 PM »
Of course i have. In fact my invaders has proms

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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2015, 10:22:55 PM »
Grounding pin 6 of chip 7400 in position 12 cars run on the screen but collision are not detected.
I suspect 2101 i replaced is not working. That signal drives 5101_2101 RW

I have several 5101but only one 2101. I used a 5101 instead of the 2101 but nothing changed.

I replaced chips 11 12 13 24

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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2015, 10:09:19 AM »
OK I make a break now.
Looking at the TV "Law & Order - Special Victims Unit" all night long I replaced almost everything on the board  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: but nothing changed

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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2015, 05:31:07 PM »
Possible ideas are that you have a bad ROM, missing video interrupt or stuck input. Could also be a bad power supply. ROM are RAM is the most statistically likely, however if you're sure they are good... ;)
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Re: DODGEM PCB troubleshooting
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2015, 05:45:16 PM »
I verified ROM crc multiple times.
I'll update you once I'll receive new 2101