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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #225 on: June 10, 2015, 10:46:08 AM »
we got a midway-galaxian board the last week (the seller said it works, but i did't check it yet)...i do not know how big the differences are but it nearly looks the same afair....

i will test it this week...
there is too much butter on those trays

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #226 on: June 10, 2015, 10:56:41 AM »
Also: having a working (loaned) board to compare things would be a great help.............anyone ?

Like this one?



It's a 100% working Namco board that came with my Galaxian cab. Of course you can loan it, I can bring it with me the 28th and then you have some time to use it, until Eurocade for instance. I will play Galaga during that period!  :)

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #227 on: June 10, 2015, 01:22:08 PM »
I love you !

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #228 on: June 10, 2015, 02:15:08 PM »
You change your mood fast! LOL

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #229 on: June 10, 2015, 02:20:38 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #230 on: June 11, 2015, 08:48:54 PM »
I'm going to have a hard time to return that board my friend.....


Have you noticed anything.......special about it ?

No ?

Have a second look.....

Well....apart from the ROMs and CPU........NONE of the chips are socketed !!! This means that it has never had a repair !!!!!!
I see some small mods, but those look factory.

The fact that all the ROMs are on the board directly also says it's a very early board. Later boards (like mine) have only 3 ROM sockets for the program ROM and the daughterboard installed.

I like.

I can offer you a nice modern reliable 60in1 in return ! Just hack a 4 way joystick and some extra buttons in your CP and you can play 60 awesome classics in 1 cab !!
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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #231 on: June 11, 2015, 09:27:13 PM »
So I guess it's priceless?   :D

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #232 on: June 22, 2015, 01:25:29 AM »
Nothing is priceless :)


Progress !!!!

Picked up my Fluke 9100 from storage to see if it could be of any help.

Thankfully, and despite some old notes on my iPad, the Z80 pod tested OK !

So I first tried to run the "unit under test" or in other words, let the Fluke emulate the Z80 processor. I got an error message about the reset line and I remembered you had to force something through set-up menu to prevent his message. Found out how and sure enough the board was running as before with the test rom patterns, but all garbled....
But I was already happy as this was a pretty good indication the pod was OK.

Next I dug up some memory map info (where is the RAM located) and ran some tests.

The video RAM tested OK, but when I tested RAM from address 4000 I got an error that address line A10 was stuck or open. So I probed pin 40 of the Z80 socket and sure enough no activity when running the test. This A10 line goes to a buffer IC and no activity on the inputs and output of that line, while the other three buffers in that chip showed activity for sure. Double checked it with the scope and indeed nothing.

I actually remembered I had already noticed this but thought the Test ROM might not be addressing that high so I kinda ignored it. Looking at it now I could have find this issue with just a logic probe or the scope, but anyway, the Fluke was helpful here.....

So now I need to get some 74LS367's....
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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #233 on: June 22, 2015, 08:22:11 AM »
Forgot some pics....

1) Z80 Fluke pod, as. You can see the board shows exactly the same when the Fluke is emulating a Z80 as when it was with a real processor.

2) the error message indicating Adress line 10 has a problem....

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #234 on: June 22, 2015, 08:24:58 AM »
I wonder what it would cost to order every single type (well almost) of 74LS chip in one go.
I hate having to wait to get yet another 74LS every time......local electronics store is closed on Mondays and ordering one or two of these takes some days and relatively too high shipping costs....

Mmmm, let's see what I've already got and what I would still need....

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #235 on: June 22, 2015, 08:58:05 AM »
Mmm, Reichelt has about 110 types of 74LS, Im guesstimatimg an average price of 50 cents each, that would be about 55 Euro's but.....
I think I already have about 20% of those types and maybe I can leave out any higher numbers say from above 400, no idea If higher than 400 were ever used in early 80s games ?

Also, are any common types missing in this list ?
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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #236 on: June 22, 2015, 11:52:38 AM »
Arrgghh...looks like I've been mislead. Adress line 10 only goes to the ROMs at 7F and 7J and not any RAM....weird.

I checked again and the buffer works OK, sigh.

Back to square 1

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #237 on: June 22, 2015, 02:14:35 PM »
BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP GO(*&^$)&@^@#)^& !


 ;D ;D

OK, I remembered there was a lot of good info about using the Fluke here:

http://www.arcades.plus.com/galaxianfix.htm

So...I went by this guid step by step. Turns out that I used a wrong end-adress for checking the program RAM.
It has to be 4000-43FF, not 47FF as I was using. When I entered these numbers, the Fluke stayed silent, which means it was OK !

Great, so next let's do the video RAM (5000-53FF) , yup this passes without any problems too !

OK let's do Object RAM then and o-o...we found something:

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #238 on: June 22, 2015, 02:53:01 PM »
Now Macro's site says this about Object RAM:

This is the sprite and colour ram. To write to this the CPU has to go through the first of the buffer chips (8F and 8H or 9B *). To read the contents back, it also uses additional buffer chips at  4L, 4M and 5M. This occupies memory from 5800 to 58FF. A failure in this will normally be down to the ram chips (4F and 5F) or the afore mentioned buffer chips.


Mmm, the Fluke says it can't WRITE to the RAM. I am actually NOT suspecting the RAM itself, it came from the working Bootleg board so I'm pretty sure they are good.
Now 4L,4M and 5M buffer ICs are only used when reading, OK let's do some reads only from some memory addresses in this range, get same data for all adresses (AF, sometimes other values) but no error message.
When I write a single address there's no error but when I read the same address still AF so it's not working clearly.

So I put the RAM test in LOOP (keeps repeating) and start probing around. Soon enough I find that the Write line of the RAMs stays high all the time. That can't be right, it should co low before and during a write operation. So I backtrack the signal to chip 8M pin 12 and sure enough a constant high there.
I suspected that chip 74LS138 but.....I've jumpered a trace before between the pin 20 of both RAMs and pin 12 of 8M, which is where the schematics say the signal comes from. There was no conductance between these pins so I suspect there was a cut made (remember, those two RAMs were not on the board when it was still a Tazz-Mania.

I wondered if there might be something else going on, so I desoldered the jumper wire and sure enough the output of 8M, pin 12 was happily toggling when running the RAM test.....mmmmm.

Could it be the RAMs after all then ? Well I simply removed them and tested again.....NOPE, still the Write signal staying high on the sockets....

I wonder if they somehow made some new connection anywhere for the conversion...gotta dig some more....yippie !  ::)

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Re: Hail to Galaxian... by Namco!
« Reply #239 on: June 22, 2015, 03:07:32 PM »
RESPECT!