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« on: May 17, 2008, 09:51:35 PM »


A question that has bugged me for a long time  - who found the lost prototype footage? And where is it now?

Maybe Digital Leisure own it? But will they ever re-master it?

I wrote them an email asking that question....... but don't think i'll get an answer!

If anybody here can shed some light on the prototype footage that was on Dragon's Lair reproduction laser disc that was pressed in 2002 Let me know, but I can't find any more info from D.L.P



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Giddygoon

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 10:32:51 AM »

Well, Digital leisure did get back to me with this answer:

Hi John,

Thanks for your email.

Currently there are no plans to re-master the proto-type footage as most
felt it was to degraded for a capable restore. However, I will certainly
pass along your request to those that make the final decisions.

So they have the footage but who gave it to them?Huh???


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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2008, 10:46:52 PM »

Digital Liesure are Partners of Dragon's lair LCC, Company owners are... Don Bluth, Gary Goldman, Rick Dyer, and David Foster Owner of Digital Liesure, I am sure your reply did not come from David.

Gary and Don had the prototype footage at the Bluth Studios, Man that place was awesome, Don and Gary Invited me to thier Studio in Arizona, which I accepted of course, I was like a kid in a candy store, I went through every background that was made for Dragons lair, there were boxes upon boxes, I even found a few collectibles that I have never seen, There was rows of storage racks, each row maybe 50 feet long and 15 feet high full of Cels and BG's for each film, even the Original Film reels, truly awesome, I literally had a pick of any Cel and BG (Background) I wanted!!
Unfortunatly some time after all the stuff went to the "Savanah Art college" I was shown the story boards for the Planned Dragons Lair Movie, I just wish I had taken more pictures!!
I dont know if Don and Gary had the Prototype footage back? My guess is that Digital Liesure have them in their hands, I am certain the Footage will be used again.

Gary Goldman told me today that Don Bluth wanted to Animate the Deleted Pirate scene from Dragons lair 2, now this would be great, especially if the DL2 annivesary comes off that I have planned, The Partnership has already gave me a Licence agreement. so fingers crossed.
-jas

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2008, 12:48:54 AM »

Hi Finny!

You are a very lucky man to have seen all of that original material! There is also that gargoyles scene in Dragons Lair proto-type that could be finally animated too! All the sketches exist for the scene but it was never colored of filmed!

The question came up because I have Dragons lair HD......and it looks so good that I started to wonder weather Digital leisure were going to re-master the Proto-type footage, which I love!

I see you actually own a cell of Dirk getting speared in the Giddygoons scene from the Proto-type footage

Come on Digital Leisure re-master the Proto-type footage!

It is the Genesis of a huge legacy that is Dragons lair

It must be saved!!!


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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 12:19:28 AM »

This is for you Giddygoon, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330236083701&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D330236083701%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1
  it's not just an Original Cel, it also includes the original Background, Backgrounds are where the money is, they normally cost at least $1000, so $450 for the cel set-up and BG it a givaway, I think it works out about 230.

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 12:24:32 PM »

Nice One Finny,

I didn't know that the gargoyles scene was actually painted, I wonder weather it was actually shot??? I still dream that this scene and the Proto-type footage scenes will be put back together and re-masted

maybe a special Edition 2008 laser disc or even blu-ray

As for the Cell way out of price range........Are you gonna go for it Finn?

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 02:09:00 PM »

I am so gonna get me a few cels.... Now just to find one I'm happy with  Undecided
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 02:16:24 PM »

Hmmm is this EBay seller, mycelspace, another alias for Van Eaton Galleries?

They have this cel up for sale
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPACE-ACE-DON-BLUTH-CEL-KEY-MASTER-B-G-ACE-VIDEO-GUARDS_W0QQitemZ330239652062QQihZ014QQcategoryZ1371QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Which is also on VE website
http://vegalleries.com/bluth4.html#spa
http://vegalleries.com/bluthspecial/spaceace/096.jpg

So are they the same person, 'cause the EBay verison is nearly half the price, or did VE Galleries off load lots of their cels?

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 05:59:36 PM »

This is for you Giddygoon, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330236083701&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D330236083701%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1
  it's not just an Original Cel, it also includes the original Background, Backgrounds are where the money is, they normally cost at least $1000, so $450 for the cel set-up and BG it a givaway, I think it works out about 230.

-Jas

Woow... a really beautiful one :







..arg ... too late... : "This item has ended."  Cry

I am so gonna get me a few cels.... Now just to find one I'm happy with  Undecided

Yeps... same for me  Undecided Fortunately, the best ones are available on the Finny's Lair, so we can still show them there  Cool  Kiss
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 11:52:12 PM »

As far as I know, the so called "prototype footage" which is present on the 2002 reprinted 3M laserdisc cannot be remastered in HD or even another format just because the original master is long gone. The footage comes from a VHS tape of the Starcade TV show which hosted the Dragon's lair prototype machine back in 1983. Don Bluth & C only preserved the original master film of the official production disc.
The story is too long to tell here and I don't know all the details. Basically three different laserdisc were created for three prototyping machines and, after some field tests, the final decision was taken and only 1 disc made it to production.

Matteo
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 01:01:38 AM »

Giddygoon,

I have a Cel similar from the gargoyle Scene, so decided not to go for it, however I have purchased 6 pieces of art from them this week, the price is cheap, most of my Cels with Backgrounds were over $1000, some of my Pan Backgrounds cost over $2500!! so to buy the standard size for $450 was cheap as chips!! Bluth/Goldman would have paid their artist double that to paint the backgrounds back in the day.

Dazza,

I dont think "my Cel Space" (Jessica&Alan) is Van Eaten, its like Personalised Number plates...there are half a dozen companies advertising the same plates, I think this is the same case? I tell you what guys, if you are interested in cels and BG's, get them now, there are only a few floating about, because as you know the remaining artwork has been donated to the "savanah art college" so when the surplas has gone...they are gone for good.

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 12:06:41 PM »

Definately not many "good" cels left.

I got my eye on one of those Space Ace cels, I take it they ship to the UK even though it's not listed on EBay. Which ones did you get Finny?
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 11:43:56 PM »

Dazza,

Yeah they will ship to the UK mate, the 6 I got are all from DL, here are the EBay item Numbers, just paste them in the Item Search.

Item Numbers.......
330236154099
330236155104
330236152969
330236087157
330236086271
330236083911

have a look at the additional pictures on each listing, because the main pictures are close up's, the additional pictures show the "Full" image.
-Jas
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2008, 11:45:42 AM »

Jas, anyone would think you liked Dragon's Lair!

I LOVE 330236083911, his eyes are great in that one!

Well I done it! Got me 1 Space Ace and 1 Dragon's Lair.

DRAGON'S LAIR -DON BLUTH ANIMATION CEL+B/G 1983 -DEATH-
SPACE ACE-DON BLUTH CEL+KEY MASTER B/G-DEXTER IN BUBBLE

I love the background in the Space Ace one, really detailed.

Cheers
-Dazza-
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 09:01:05 PM »

Dazza,

Great cels mate, your have to bring them to the Euromeet.

Normally cel's come up with Laser Copy backgrounds, so it is easy to pick the best cels, however, these cels for sale have the original BG's, now thats where it is more difficult to decide, the BG's are way more expensive than the Cels, so it a matter of buying one with a lot of detail in the BG, like your Space Ace Cel Dazza, not actually going for the best could be the best bet with these ones, personal preference though of course.

-jas
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