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EPISODE 0 - TEASING ZONE : ...Nothing is impossible... ...Believe In Your Dreams... ...Fan 4 Ever...EPISODE 1 - INSPECTION & NEGOCIATION : Galaxian 3 theater... I remember it as if it were yesterday. I played it for the first time ... in 1993 or 1994 if I remember well  It was love at firs sight My god... the CGI was amazing (and still are amazing nowadays)... Impressive surrond sound... and this huuuuge theater... a true gaming experience back in The Days Remember the others video games from that erea ... 1990... no a lot of good 3D games ...only Hard Drivin from Atari (it wasn't really impressive in my opinion) We are two years BEFORE real good 3D games like Virtua Racing (1992) and 3 years BEFORE Virtua Fighter by exemple...

I always saw this Galaxian Theater in that Arcade room. Each time I went to the Belgium coast, I had to play that *AMAZING* game As you probably know,I'm a die hard NAMCO fan because they made the best arcade games in history (except Dragon's Lair of course ) : Pac Man, Galaxian, Galaga, Xevious, Starblade, ... In my quest to own my favorite games, I can't imagine that one day, I'll be able to get ... a Galaxian Theater @ home !
Until now, the only way I had to play the game was the Playstation adapation of the game, which is very good by the way. It was better than nothing, but the true G3 experience has to be seen on giant screen, so I've done THIS 
Of course, as a die hard fan of that game, I have all I can get about it : Playstation version of the game (US & JAP), arcade flyers, OST of the game, Laser Disc demonstration (very rare), ... expect the 'cab' of course...until now
So 6 weeks ago, I called the boss of that arcade room and I asked him if he would be ok to sell it... We fixed an appointment for the coming week end 
THE NEXT WEEK END

Ok, this time is not so far : 300km to drive But as you know I have a deal with my official sponsors, so I have to publish this picture 

[ Dr Pepper & Bi-Fi Roll inside ] 
I don't forget to bring some tools : meters, a box of screwdriver heads, ... I have to check overthere If I have all the necessary tools to dismount the Theater
Rock'n'Roll baby
So we arrive at location one hour before the appointment with the manager, so we decide to go for a walk on the beach... A lot of wind 

... and sudden, something draws our attention...close to the rocks :

Let us examine that more closely :

Jesus Christ !!! I 'm sure that's a sign of the Gods !
Ok it is time ... time to see the Namco 'mothership' Theater :

Impressive  The theater is in front of me... It's the one I played many years ago... It represents many memories to me, because I played it at various times of my life. This theater is a kind of Time Machine for me

Well... it's big... it's huge .... very huge

let us measure it... just to be sure

Holy Jesus

Opssss... very huge At this point, I still don't know where to put it Anyway, C A R P E D I E M
OK, let's quickly check how to disassemble it... ok, the theater seems to have the same kind of skrew everywhere on it... like this :

I'm also take a lot of pictures, in order to help me when I'll assemble the game in the futur.
I meet the manager. The deal is done
It won't be possible to get the game before one month Jesus Christ... more than 4 weeks to wait OK, so I've now 1 month to organize the 'Galaxian Theater' rescue... find enough space ... I'm gonna be crazy 
    
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2007, 11:17:28 PM » |
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EPISODE 2 - THE ROADTRIP part 1: ONE MONTH LATER...
...and here we are... the 23rd of april 2007... one day to go ...
I hope two 'days off' will be enough for this trip For this Adventure, my wife of course, and also my faithful wingman : Burt The Daring
The last check before the D day. Because of my Sponsors, I have to show you that traditional picture... sorry folks

some new stuff, only for this *special* roadtrip : a video camera, lent by a colleague (thanks Chris ) ... in order to film all the 'event', and to be used as reference during the reassembly which will take place in .... hum hum 200x I get a lot of labels to annotate the various part of this Huge 3D Puzzle ...and of course tools like skrewdrivers...
The truck is ready... volume is 20 m3 .... Does it will be enough to carry that monster ?

Paperboards, small boxes to store the various screws, straps, protections...

OK... now I can say everthing is ready for tomorrow morning. 
It's very late now ... and tomorrow, we have to get up at 05:00 am... so let's sleep
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz..... WAKE UP DUDE
It's 5:53am ... tuesday the 24rd of april ... an historical day

Let's charge the CD of circumstance, and let's pick up my official roadtrip wingman 'Burt'...by hoping he's already awaked now :

OK... rock'n'roll... It's a little bit early for Burt ... 300 km to drive

300 km is not a long distance... but this truck is so slow (impossible to go further than 110 km/h), and it uses so much gasoline ... we have to refuel it quickly

My wife is conscious that this roadtrip will be historical. She agrees to wear the T-shirt of circumstance

Well, the appointment was at 9h30am with the seller... Slow speed, and lot of trafic jam... we finally arrive at 10h45am on location
The arcade room is locatet on the sea coast... so it's impossible to park our giant truck close to the main entry
Good new : there is a backdoor, just behind the Arcade
Bad new : there is 'road work' in this one way lane, and a big truck blocks us... opssss ! The only solution will be to drive in reverse gear... not easy ... in order to bring our truck just in front of the backdoor. But this is not the worst
The lane is so narrow, it seems almost impossible to operate with the truck in order to enter, via the backdoor, to the basement
Finally after 10 minutes of 'delicate' operations... cm per cm... our truck is in the Arcade's basement.
Ok, the manager is not there, but they are few employes ... aware about a crazy guy who'll get the Galaxian Theatre today
Let's place a camera... the tools are well aligned... and the labels are prepared :

The Luna Park is closed for public the morning ... until 2 : oo pm. The employes told me there is very quiet, because it's the low season now...
OK, so let's wear the homemade T-shirt done especially for that Day (theses T-shirts will be highly collectable... very soon on ebay ) !

Let's start to put the labels :

I feel odd... I'm starting to think about what we are doing now

...all of this seems unreal ... my mind is away now :
Do we are some kind of modern adventurers ? Do we are some kind of archaeologists ? ... Or do we are simply crazy ?
OK... it's not time to think... we have a lot of work now !

... an employe is removing all the coin mechs

While Burt is removing one of the 'marquee', I'm applying labels...

A general view of the 'monster' At this time, we still have no idea about the amount of work we'll have to do

Here's a real piece of art, the conversion kit marquee "Attack Of The ZolgeaR" is in a perfect state ... and so HUUUGGE

...and .... what a nice surprise... under the ZolgeaR marquee... the original GALAXIAN 3 - Project Dragoon marquee

We remain very careful during disassembling…

Holy Jesus... what do we are doing here : We are really crazy !

Let's continue to dismount that blue moutain
I was a little bit affraid 'bout what kind of wires insde the thing... but it's quite easy to remove in fact :

Now, here's the master piece... the MAIN Galaxian3 marquee :

We are a little bit slow... and confused ? ...'coz at this point, we still don't know what we are doing ...

Well... let's try to understand how to dismount the front ...

...while Burt is doing some kind of 'reverse engineering" in order to understand how to dismount the game, I arrange the small parts on the floor. The game room is not open yet to public, so I use as space as possible...

Hey... we start to see what's inside that 'toy'
One of the two Sony tri-tube video projectors HHHUUUGEE !!!!

It's really time to start the serious stuff : Let's remove... the roof

First big information about the Galaxian Theater : the 'game' has no roof
...so what ?

...the owner used 5 meters long boards, through which he placed panels of wood/foam... a pain to remove that  Foam disaggregates, it's like to handle rockwool… a true filth for eyes and lungs

The owner used the roof of the THEATER to store things : old broken neons, old boards, fabrics and a lot things, not indentified
Here I am catching one of the dead neons slopes which was on the roof of the theater. Note that I am on another NAMCO's monster : PROP CYCLE

...no more 'roof'...

There's no more little & easy thing to do now We MUST go further!!!
After having removed the partitions from the middle of the 'entrance', we finally discover one of the three main bars (which are main parts of the structure in fact) :
 view inside of the right interior part of the theater side... same picture than then previous one, but without the metal mask :

...same view, but this is the opposite part (still from the entrance of the theater/ left side). The only difference is a control panel, which controls something but I don't know what ?! I'll discover it when I'll rebuild the theater...

...for the moment, It is still possible to arrange carefully al the items...

Here an employee tries to find the key which gives access to the projectors ...

Because we still don't know what is the perfect order for dissasembling, we try to work on the sides.... Bingo... it's easy here

Holy Jesus... as a die hard Namco fan, I can tell you it really does something to be in a such picture like this one :
Cool… for the first time since many years, the light penetrates inside the G3 theater. Have a look of the height of it 2m40 !!!

In the middle inside the theater, just behind the 'screen', there is 3 HUGE boxes ... something like 150cm lenght ...each of them ...but what's inside of them 
THE FIRST ONE :
a ton of boards ... power supplies ... wires ... connectors ...


THE SECOND ONE :
...more boards


THE THIRD ONE :
Two Yamaha audio professional amps, Two Pioneer laserDisc players


...on each of the three lids, fans :

ok, now the worst part : removing the projectors ...

Because we still have not the key to access the projector, we'll have to found an other method for pull them out. It should be possible to remove them by the rear :

After examination, the three big bars maintain all the front of the theater, and the projectors too, of course...

Before removing them, we'll remove the two adjacent parts, named : GUNNER'S GATE 2 & GUNNER'S GATE 1

I was a little bit afraid about the wires to disconnect between the different parts... but Namco did it well
Here's by exemple the wires between the righ projector and the GUNNER'S GATE 1 part


This is it : the GUNNER'S GATE 1 part is removed !

Let's do the same thing for the other part GUNNER'S GATE 2.

Here's a scary part of the story The two projectors are so LOUD... and both of them stay in place only because the three bars. Each time we touch one of the bars, the two projectors start to move... very very unstable...

...and remember, we have not the keys to remove the projetctors in the normal way, by a door under them. THe only way to remove them is to pull them out by the back... but ALL the stuff is so unstable ....
... finally, after something like 30 minutes, the first projector is out... and safe

Very heavy to carry as you can seen... even for two men like us

Oh my god... we have to do the same thing for the second one.... argggg... we are tired now... and hungry too... we're working since so many hours non-stop... but before to tale a short pause, let's finish 'the projectors' removing ...

...courage... 30% done yet

Ok, the 2nd projector is out... at least
Time to eat now...
Our table An air hockey ;-)
Regarding the food, guess which country it is

Burt is asking me "what time is it by the way ?"
I don't know... daytime I guess ... I don't have a watch... But they are customers in the gaming room now, so we are in the afternoon...
HOLY JESUS... in the afternoon 
Oppsss... so very short in time Because we have to load in the truck, come back to my home, unload the parts (I still don't know where ) ... and as you can see on the pictures, we are far from the end... Gloups
OK, we have to pull off all the front base before going further :

...of course, the big base doesn't move because of that big blue part attached on it :

...arghhh... All the skrews seems to be removed.... but that blue box is encased somewhere...

Well... impossible to remove it So the only solution seems to remove all the front base, including the two HUGE blue boxes (left & right) Everything is on small wheels... let's pull them out on the two following picture :


YYeeesss... it works We can move all the front base We have now access to the 'seats' :

Remember the 'big blue boxes' ? We got them now

The seats are easy to remove. No skrew at all. They were wedged between the front base and the 3 pcb boxes.
We are very tired now... Please let me have a short break after removing the first seat

Here's a view of the back of the seats... and more than 15 years of dust :

All the seats are removed.
Here the main tube of cables, which comes from the pcb boxes, and which passes between the seat 3 and 4 (just in the middle), and who conveys the cables for the projectors, and power for some lamps & main marquee :

...two men at work

The next step is to separate the three HUGE (everything is HUGE on that cab' ) boxes, which include pcb, amps, power supply, laserdisc players... all the electronic stuff...
But there's is a problem : all the three boxes are interconnected...
Have a look :


..of couse, I put labels ... I hope it will help me when I'll assemble the theater in ...2054



DONE no more wires between them :


It's late now... NOTHING is loaded on the truck... It's really time to load... but ... we decide to remove the 6 parts from the roof before to stop. It should not be to long i hope...

...except that it is necessary to climb ... on the screen I'm the stuntman for that I'm a little bit affraid I hope the bottom of the screen is strong enough for my weight… bah… It must because we have no other choice then that… the theater was assembled against the wall, so no other access... except like that :

Something incredible up there
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My name was written ... since so many years ... on the top of that mountain :
Here's a 'behind the scene' view... or how to climb on that mountain from the ouest side

...it was on the only way to do it... because the wall on the back of the room is to close from the theater
Ok so now I praying... I hope the 'screen' structure is strong enough to support my weight

Now, Burt is anger... ... It did not imagine that it would be so hard ...he's usually on the light side of the Force... but not now

Concerning me, I've fallen into the dark side of the Force since so many years Impossible to get me out of it ... and of course I'll meet my destiny :

...well, it's maybe not the time for a battle finally Still so many things to do...
Ok, the six black elements from the 'roof' are removed. We should be able to remove the screen, I mean the six white elements :

The manager comes... He'll have a lot of free space soon

It's amazing... It's late in the afternoon... and there's still NOTHING loaded in the truck yet We still need to do one more step ... Let's check how to remove the screen structure

OK, well... it's something like 7:00pm ... we have to stop now :x because
- Before loading the pieces, all must go to the basement, where the truck is - All the pieces from the theater must be loaded in the truck - It will not be possible to load all the parts - Something like four hours to drive to go home - Unload all that stuff... I still don't know where at this point - We are hungry - We are tired ...
OK, so let's start to bring the parts to the basement. Hopefully an employe is helping us for that

The elevator... It will be our best friend soon


My god... have a look at something like 15 years of dust

Quick snapshoot... or 'The Nuno Team was here...'

Ok, most of the parts are now in the basement , after something like one hour of 'elevator action' ...up...down...up...down...
Here's most of the parts we were not able to load in the truck. These parts have to stay here, with the rest of the theater of course... until tomorrow :

... maybe not this one :

Here's the truck... full of Galaxian stuff... ready to go

AT THIS POINT, THIS IS AN EVIDENCE... ANOTHER TRAVEL WILL BE NECESSARY TOMORROW TO BRING BACK ALL THE THEATER !
...before to leave... let's go for ten minutes of hard drivin' ... just to get out the truck out of the basement

OK, now the big question : : : Where to put all that Galaxian3 Theater stuff... There's no free space available in my lair... and I don't want to put that monster inside my house ... well, i would like to put it in my house... but hey... with an area of 25 m2... not possible SO once again, I'll call SAM
The bad thing regarding big roadtrip is stopping over & over agin for...fuel ... fuel ... fuel ... :x :x but this time, something nice to watch

...after something like FOUR hours on the road, and crossing all the country for north to south, here we are ... at the Sam's place :

We unload all the stuff... on his garden



... and we put as much as we can the parts in his garage... what a mess

Oppsss... his garage is now full ...but there're still stuff to store... so what ?! ... We are forced to load -of course- all the remaing parts inside the truck... What a crazy work :x

OK... so... regarding these last parts, we store them like that for the moment :
- inside the Burt's garage : One of the three huge pcb boxes - inside the Nuno's Lair : Two huge parts of the theater - inside our living room : one of the six seats, pcb, laser disc players, and other various parts
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhh JJJJJJJeeeeeeeessssssssssusssssssssssssss We are now DEAD !!! :

It's now 1:24am We are on the work since more than TWENTY hours non-stop ... We are SOOOOOOOOO tired :x
... and the story is far to be finished In less than FOUR hours, we have to do the same work
Let's go to sleep for ..only 4 hours then ....
End of day 1
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 11:18:49 PM » |
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EPISODE 3 - THE ROADTRIP part 2 DAY TWO :
...4h30 later... still so tired It's 6:00 am

Let's get the motivation... what d'ya think Burt My wife is talking to him -non stop-, just to be sure that he won't sleep and stay awake .

Same place... here we go again ...300km later...

As you can see, the end is near... here we are removing the screen supports

Have a look at this 'small' box... guest what it is

What a mess... hopefully it's too early for customers

At this point, I'm not able to tell you how many pieces we got in hand, coming of course from that HHUUUUGGGGEEEEE 3D puzzle

Namco is the best Removing cables between the elements is as easy as your ABC

See it Namco ruleZ

...in deep...

Have a look at this huge Bose amp Do I will try it in my car

And here's the boss... he has to leave... so it's time to pay him... Totally amazing I was playing that game 13 years ago at the same place... and now I buy that game

Now remember the black box on a previous picture ? It's a HUGE power stepdown converter (220V -> 110V). My god... how a so little box can be so heavy

...conitnuing to bring back parts from floor 0 to the basement...

For that second loading day, we have to otpimize everything. All the parts MUST fit... don't wanna come back a third time

...as I told you previously... that red elevator is our best friend... We are very lucky to do the job on a such place, I mean a place with a private basement with the ability of truck loading, private elevator, ... I can"t imagine doing a such work in a place with staircases by exemple, or the truck parked in a street, outside, ...

Have a look at the car We had to be very careful

...still loading as best as we can...

Isn't it beautifull ? ... having such historicals parts Namco is my God

OK... still 4 seats to load... but there is enough place for only 3 of them Brainstorming

Let's load them... and see what we can do...

Mhhh... there's no other way than to dissasemble it... We already try during the day 1, but it's not easy... But now, we don't have choice We must do it or we won't load it
...the 4 mains skrews are under that grey cage... not easy to remove...

OK... we do it Have a look at my feet on the 'beast', in a "Steve Haris from Iron Maiden" style

We can load it now... we also loading all the last parts : projectors, Power converter, and other things...


OK... THIS IS IT... ALL IS LOADING...

Now, a last picture... at this spot, there WAS a Galaxian 3 Theater

Note that 'Burt' doesn't wear the official roadtrip T-shirt "Saving Galaxian 3 Theater" on that day 2, because it was in a very bad state at the end of day1... shame on him
Before to go back, let's eat something

BELGIUM POOOOOWWWWWWEERRRR
Note that we were these two days on the Belgium coast, and we even didn't see the sea... we can see it now ...

OK... it's late... we sill have 300km to bring back that stuff...and at this time, I still don't know where I'll unload all that stuff

Well, so I'm calling Freddy & my mother... and tell them that I've to unload 'something maybe a little big ' quickly ! They say yes because they don't imagine how big is the stuff I'm bringing back
And here we are after something like 4 hours of driving

At this point, my mother & Freddy start to be a little be affraid... they are thinking 'what the hell inside of this truck''

I remember tbat tbey hopefully have free space in their basement

Well, we are opening the truck's doors... and ... Freddy is seeing the Galaxian stuff ... Oppps .... .... he starts to be crazy : "What the hell is that Totally crap !!! You didn't tell us about this ... so big ... so many items ... If I knew that before, I would say NO, I DON'T WANT TO STORE THAT " After promise him that I won't let the stuff too long, he's finally ok

As you can see, it's still daytime My mother is watching me... what the hell his soon is doing ...

... and finally, they help us to unload the Namco Monster... It's a family story :

Unloading the biggest parts

We are so tired... at this point we have something like 40 hours of work since the begining of this trip... with only few hours of sleep :cry:

...still unloading... under a moon light now

We are lucky regarding the width of the passage

...playing Tetris in 3D


It's the black night... and no outside light... Hopefully it's close to be finished ...

Have a look at the size of these Sony TriTubes projectors ...and so heavy

Have a look at the room... full of history items now

...but this room wasn't big enough... ... so we had to put remaining parts here and there, in other basement's room

Can you believe it ... all in now unloaded.... UNLOADED !!!
I can now bring back the truck... and start to think how to bring back the Galaxian3 parts at home... and where to place such MONSTER
This *amazing & historical* ROADTRIP is finally done.. but ...
... that story is not over of course ...
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2007, 11:19:27 PM » |
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EPISODE 3 (extended scenes) - What to do with a such monster ? Well... the answer is quite easy for me... PLAYING !!!! of course
...but wait At this time... there no more theater ... but a ton of single items, in different locations...
Well, I made a promise to all the 'Galaxian3Theater' parts keepers that I'll get as soon as possible all the items that take so many place (according them of course) . So the idea now is to bring back all the parts at my place... and asap !
But first, I've to take care about my gaming room
Two big parts are in the middle of my Lair... Impossible to acces it... So I'm calling Sam : " I know, all you garage is full of my G3 stuff, but pleaaaasse help me to clean my gameroom first... "
He says 'mwellll... fine "

...ok, the part is now more in my gameroom... but what to do now 
I'll be the first man to have a Galaxian Theater... INSIDE MY HOUSE
...but it's still too easy, so I decide to put the G3 at the first floor
Well... as you can see Sam & I are not 'Macho Man' of something... so the stairs are a real problem with an item like that... It would be nice to have a third guy to help us... but he did it

Few days later...great... here's Pierre (aka Funkycochise here°) and his friend They come for a nice meeting... and a gaming session of course
Of course... there's anoter 'big blue' (not the Atari one ) to move... or the gameroom won't be accessible
"Hey friends, please help me ?!"
So here we go again...

This time, it's more easy... Three guys... perfect

At the first floor... we have to be care... let's enter into... the bathroom
Jesus... It must be a world premiere ... A Galaxian Theater inside a bathroom

...but these two big blue parts are now safe... inside my house Thanks to all for the help...once again
Now let's start to bring back stuff located... at the Freddy/Mom house
On this travel... I bring back this :

Namco... my god

...My wife is not happy... because of this ... inside the corridor ...

... and it's worse now :

Ok OK ... I'll put all of that... at the first floor... don't worry ...but before, few pictures... focus on the instruction stickers :

I remember when I was younger... I tried to remove that sticker at the arcade... ... I'm glad not to have succeded

...StAy TuNeD...
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2007, 08:53:39 PM » |
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small update... 
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2007, 01:36:47 PM » |
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GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I thought I had space troubles...........
If this isn't a (late) april's fool it is F-U-C-K-I-N-G fantastic Bruno !!!
Man, I KNEW there had to be a reason that I was sick TWICE when we had arranged to visit the lair....(I'll drop you a mail, we gotta fix a new date).
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2007, 02:24:43 PM » |
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Bruno, you are a real tease!! Trickling out these pictures is killing us! I can't wait to see more, more ,more..... I still can't imagine where you are putting this beast. Good luck! Alex
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2007, 05:16:57 PM » |
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The title for this reply is probably too bold for someone new on this site, hence the wink smiley. But, being married myself, I cannot help but wondering... And the size of your latest cab is completely ludicrous if it weren't so totally, most absurdly and convincingly SUPERB! I am patiently waiting for an opportunity to lay my hands on a shed, garage, or anything to accommodate my collection to be. But first, I'll have to convince my wife that spending money on this is paramount...  Until then, I'll check in on your website to keep the dream alive! Bonne chance! Reb
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2007, 09:13:55 PM » |
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...small update of this story... Thanks to bo so patientt I agree this is a crazy thing ... Stay Tuned... a lot of pictures very soon (Welcome on this forum Reb  )
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2007, 09:55:47 PM » |
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Wow! That marquee is bigger than you guys!! Truly unreal my friend...
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2007, 10:22:33 PM » |
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Bruno,
You are mad my friend, Myself and XY-Man went to wales to collect a Galaxian 3 thearter for his collection about 4 years ago, It had taken us from 8am to 9pm just to dismantle the thing, we had a 7.5 ton lorry and just about got it in with no room spare, you must have done a couple of trips, your gonna have to move or build a bigger gameroom, I think XY-Man still has the game in a room in his warehouse still in pieces, so dont lose momentum, get a home for the beast....well there is no chance of you losing momentum, anyhow congratulations you mad man.
another thing ,has yours got two Pioneer players and loads of boards, good luck putting her together again.
regards -Finny
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"Aim for the Moon! if you fall short your be with the Stars"
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totos
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2007, 02:53:53 PM » |
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