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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #135 on: August 24, 2011, 08:23:50 AM »
The pictures speak for them self i think ?, or do i need to give detail explanation on every pic ?

first of all thanks a lot for your input,etienne, and for taking the time to draw those nice pictures :spaceace:

what is the function of an isolation transformer? simply for safety reasons?
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #136 on: August 24, 2011, 08:27:42 AM »
First i tried to analyse the path of the power in your harness,
can you check if this is correct by following the wires ? :



it looks like there are 2 pairs going in the harness and 2 pairs comming out.
green and red are in, and yellow and blue are out.

how do i know whether something is "going in" or "coming out"?

btw, the wires you labeled with blue don't follow the black wires all the way! there are two spliced-in brown wires and they are spliced into a black and a white wire at one of those connectors. see here in detail :arrow:

all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #137 on: August 24, 2011, 09:45:50 AM »
hehehe, i just tried to follow the leads, but the pic is not clear enough to folow, so i assumed the path that i drawed.

in and out did i based on the part where they tapped the brown wires from that go to the switcher (which is out)
i did add some arrows at the end of each dotted line to specify the direction.

lets do it different, you follow the wires on the harness and tell me how its connected.

you can explane it to me as follow, which maybe is easier / more clear than draw :



Its just that i know where the wires go , so i can tell you how to wire it.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2011, 09:51:03 AM by Etienne »

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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #138 on: August 24, 2011, 09:48:44 AM »
what is the function of an isolation transformer? simply for safety reasons?

that is the main reason i think, i don't know it exactly, but i know that there was a label on some monitors that i saw (i think at Andre's) that say "connect only with a isolation transformer"  or something in that way like "do not connect straight to mains"

Maybe there is somebody here that can teach us more ?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2011, 09:52:49 AM by Etienne »

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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #139 on: August 24, 2011, 12:59:17 PM »
lets do it different, you follow the wires on the harness and tell me how its connected.

you were almost right, etienne, here's the updated version. i used different colors and some text to illustrate it a little bit more :arrow:



btw, i've just uploaded a hi-res scan of the wiring diagram to your ftp server, don't know if it helps you!
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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« Reply #140 on: August 24, 2011, 02:16:12 PM »
editting pictures again  ;)

stay tuned  8)

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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #141 on: August 24, 2011, 02:37:47 PM »
okay, its simple;

here the part of the wire-ing diagram that you need:
you see that the mains runs through the interlock switches and then to the powerswitch to end at point 1 & 2 that go to the transformer (which you dont have, so thats where the switcher will come)



i would say wire it like this, because you dont have the brackets:

green lines is the mains comming from your wallsocket (plug)
it goes into the connector to the on/off switch and comes back in the same connector at the other pins (C & D )
connect those to the other plug (red and blue line) (G & H )
they go through the interlock switches and come back as the other pair (which is tapped to go to the switcher)



you can just cut the connectors off and solder them together and isolate them with shrink tube or electrical tape or something like that.

the only difference in your cable that i can see is that they changed the sequence of the interuptors, (the tapped part that goes to the switcher comes from the interlock switches, and not like in the schematics from the powerswitch..)

is everything clear now ?

EDIT:

I almost forgot the stepdown converter...
so cut also the tapped wires off and go to the stepdown converter from there..
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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #142 on: August 24, 2011, 03:25:38 PM »
and after checking the monitor part in the diagram, i see that it does uses a isolation transformer originally:

(which is integrated in the original transformer)



i dont know how it was connected before you took it apart ?

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« Reply #143 on: August 24, 2011, 04:43:47 PM »
i dont know how it was connected before you took it apart ?

i'll show it to you on the following pictures (note that not all of the wires are attached anymore, they must have come loose)! it also had a switcher installed, but also two transformers (why two?). the setup looks ugly and handmade, but perhaps i could use that with slight modifications ... have a look :arrow:









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« Reply #144 on: August 24, 2011, 05:28:36 PM »
........it also had a switcher installed, but also two transformers (why two?). the setup looks ugly and handmade, but perhaps i could use that with slight modifications ... have a look :arrow:

hmm, the old one looks like its connected at the 220 volt, and the 6.3 connector connected to the 115 volts output (you can see in the first pic that the loose 6.3 connector is used to lead the wires to the 110 volt switcher
the second looks like its doing the same, i can only see the 220 side, not the other side ( the blue wires ), but il looks like they go to the black wire, and then to the monitor.

If that is correct, and both are still working, you dont need to buy a stepdown transformer (they both are as far as i can judge, only the newer one is used in a "isolation transformer way" so the two cirquits are separated by that)

damn, i need to create another / new picture schema for you  ;D
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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #145 on: August 25, 2011, 10:42:37 AM »
Am i the only person thinking about this / replying here, or is everything that i say correct  ???  :lol:

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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #146 on: August 25, 2011, 10:47:53 AM »
do you need more pics of those transformers, etienne?
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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« Reply #147 on: August 25, 2011, 10:56:57 AM »
just one of the "new" transformer, and then the side that is not shown on the earlier pictures (the blue wire side)

What you can do already, is connect them and measure the output to check if they are both giving 110 ± V output.

the new picture schema i will create when i got that info

then i can also make the schema like in the schematics (so first the interlock switches and then the on - off switch)
then you are at least folowing the original schematics

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Re: [Restoration] The King of the Jungle: Aaayihiah-Yihi-Ahauauooooo
« Reply #148 on: August 25, 2011, 11:44:20 AM »
Am i the only person thinking about this / replying here, or is everything that i say correct  ???  :lol:
No time...sorry...

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« Reply #149 on: August 25, 2011, 11:56:32 AM »
No time...sorry...

you have a legitime reason andre  ;)