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Wikileaks
« on: December 09, 2010, 12:11:58 AM »
What do you guys think about Wikileaks and what is happening around it ?

I think it is a total outrage that the US government is trying to shut them down and I love the responses where the sites of mastercard.com and visa.com are under attack.

The US government clearly makes abuse of their power to restrict freedom of speech, something they SAY they are all for.

The essential thing is that the power is flowing back to the people, and those in charge (governments, banks etc.) are scared to death !

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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 11:46:21 AM »
I think that Wikileaks isn't an organisation which goal is freedom of speech, but more searching for the freedom of information. And although on the surface that sounds like a nice goal, in reality it isn't.

- there is information which can be spread freely to the public because there is no negative impact (for instance for human or global safety)
- there is information which shouldn't be spread to the public because it can only do harm, and
- there is information which should be spread to the public because governments or other organisations are trying to cover their bad behaviour.

A good example of the 3rd one is the 'shopper kill accident in Irak', which was shown to the public rightfully.
A good example of the second is for instance when you think that your boss is a dick, and you tell it to your colleague, then you wouldn't like him to tell your boss how you think of him.

But wikileaks doesn't seem to make a difference between types of information, and that is totally wrong. They just publish information because they have it and because they can. So, although they could do a lot of good, at the moment it seems that they are more after feeding their need for sensation and causing governments to argue with each other.

Of course this is no surprise knowing that Assange was/is just an 'ordinary' activist and computer hacker.

And I feel that disturbing sites like Mastercard is only an act from 'hooligans', not people who really believe in Assange. Just like football hooligans, they don't 'believe' in their football club, they just want to fight. Or gangas on a beach party, they don't come to party, they just want to make a mess of it.

Why should power need to flow back to the people. The people have already the power, at least in democratic countries. We elect the ones who are 'in charge'. If they do wrong, we are to blame and next time we should vote different.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 11:48:38 AM by ckong »

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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 12:22:53 PM »

Why should power need to flow back to the people. The people have already the power, at least in democratic countries. We elect the ones who are 'in charge'. If they do wrong, we are to blame and next time we should vote different.

I respect and admire you Erik, but do you honestly still believe that ?

Democracy to me is the "least worst" system. I do not actually believe that anything the people want in majority is important to politicians. Politicians are professional liars who are only searching for power. They promise A before they get elected, and do B the next 4 years.


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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 12:28:50 PM »
to be honest: i don't care! i stopped caring / getting steamed up about something like that quite a while ago and found my safe haven with this approach. i'm not going to elections anymore, i don't care what the politicians decide / do and i'm trying to stay out of everything as much as possible. some might call this stupid, ignorant or even naive, but i feel totally fine with it and my life is so much better ever since. i appreciate every single day, life is about having fun and enjoying it as much as possible! the world will keep on turning no matter what! enought said, i'm going to grab some nice lunch now :)
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 12:46:31 PM »

Why should power need to flow back to the people. The people have already the power, at least in democratic countries. We elect the ones who are 'in charge'. If they do wrong, we are to blame and next time we should vote different.

I respect and admire you Erik, but do you honestly still believe that ?

Yes, I do, to a certain point. Democracy may be the less worst system as you call it, but that is exactly the same as 'the best' system. And it is very verifiable, you only have to look to all the things that happen in those ape countries in Africa for instance, where people have the power. It leads to anarchy, disorganisation and chaos. In the end people need some sort of control because they can't control themself. And other people seem to like that very much. No hassle, everything is arranged for you, just breath, eat and sleep. Nice.
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2010, 01:02:43 PM »
to be honest: i don't care! i stopped caring / getting steamed up about something like that quite a while ago and found my safe haven with this approach. i'm not going to elections anymore, i don't care what the politicians decide / do and i'm trying to stay out of everything as much as possible. some might call this stupid, ignorant or even naive, but i feel totally fine with it and my life is so much better ever since. i appreciate every single day, life is about having fun and enjoying it as much as possible! the world will keep on turning no matter what! enought said, i'm going to grab some nice lunch now :)

+1!
I cannot put it better  8)

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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2010, 01:53:32 PM »
to be honest: i don't care! i stopped caring / getting steamed up about something like that quite a while ago and found my safe haven with this approach. i'm not going to elections anymore, i don't care what the politicians decide / do and i'm trying to stay out of everything as much as possible. some might call this stupid, ignorant or even naive, but i feel totally fine with it and my life is so much better ever since. i appreciate every single day, life is about having fun and enjoying it as much as possible! the world will keep on turning no matter what! enought said, i'm going to grab some nice lunch now :)

+1!
I cannot put it better  8)

Blessed are the ignorance.  ;) :D

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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 12:48:05 PM »
I agree with everyone here in this topic. Quite funny.
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