Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: rogerxy on January 15, 2017, 10:24:13 AM
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People were requesting more posts in the forum so here's a contribution from me. If ppl find it interesting I will gladly keep the thread updated :D
My friend Pinge found a poker cabinet that looked like an original Atari cabaret cabinet. He bought it & found out that it was an old Centipede, which they had totally destroyed by painting everything black, made holes in both the CP, side & top. Centipede pcb was gone as well as the original monitor
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/IMG-20160415-WA0066.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/IMG-20160415-WA0078.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/IMG-20160415-WA0079.jpg)
When everything was looked at, unfortunately the only thing that could be saved was the cabinet itself & the speaker, as well as the monitor. Since Pinge already has a million projects he sold it to me :o
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/IMG-20160416-WA0014.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/IMG-20160415-WA0081.jpg)
Said & done, my goal is to turn this cabinet back to its old glory. I've never done any restoration work before this so it will probably be a good lesson
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I started with the Control Panel. The CPO was unsaveable because of the black paint & the holes for the poker button. But I wanted to save the CP itself.
So I started removing the CPO & the paint, to make it metal clean. I used citristrip gel to get rid of the paint & CPO
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160520_123953.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160524_172235.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160524_172244.jpg)
Then I spot welded a metal plate on the underside.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160525_141535.jpg)
After that I used chemical metal to cover the newly made hole & made some grind job
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160525_133226.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160527_124826.jpg)
Drilled where the old holes were & now all that's left to do is paint it black & get a new CPO
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/forum_attach.jpg)
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Im so glad I got rid of that project, perfect for someone with:
1. Few other projects
2. No family
3. Patience
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Holy shit :shock: Lots of (unnecessary) holes.
I wonder how much you can feel them once the cpo is applied.
Keep the report going :)
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Yep, they really butchered this one, no finesse whatsoever.
As with most restoration project this will probably be more expensive in the end than buying a new. But well, it's a good learning lesson & I'm not in a hurry.
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Yep, they really butchered this one, no finesse whatsoever.
As with most restoration project this will probably be more expensive in the end than buying a new. But well, it's a good learning lesson & I'm not in a hurry.
great!!! love it how you're saving the original cp. curious to find out your next steps
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I just vectored the cpo so can sort out a new one for you if you don't have one already.
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There is different cpo's for tje cabaret right?
Roger has a Irish one and I think he said the U.S version had different color/lauout
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Please tell me more muddy. The original CPO is light blue, but every single repro CPO I've found is dark blue :-\
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Great job!
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This is the right approach...I like the difficult missions!
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Please tell me more muddy. The original CPO is light blue, but every single repro CPO I've found is dark blue :-\
Yeah there's 2 versions, the US one is very dark and has a slightly different layout.
(http://www.arcadeartshop.com/uploads/centi-us.jpg)
Mine is vectored from an Irish panel. Part no# 037520-01 REV-5 V-SC1800
(http://www.arcadeartshop.com/uploads/Centipede-Cabaret-CPO-irish.jpg)
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looking good that cpo
could you make available on dlf??
as i need one to ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Muddy: That looks awesome! Where can I order it? :)
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You can order them from my website on the link below, I've got stock due next week so you won't have to wait long :)
http://www.arcadeartshop.com/product/atari-centipede-cabaret-control-panel-overlay-cpo-irish-cabinet/ (http://www.arcadeartshop.com/product/atari-centipede-cabaret-control-panel-overlay-cpo-irish-cabinet/)
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That's great, expect an order from me soon :D
Glad I didn't already ordered the dark blue one
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Did some work with the cabinet itself. This is how the side looked. The wood vinyl is under the black paint & with quite some work I might had been able to save it. Unfortunately that was out of the question since they had made a big hole for the bill payment thingy. So fuck them & off with the vinyl :'(
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160518_190702.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160518_190708.jpg)
Used my heat gun, it did the trick
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160518_190718.jpg)
As you can see their paint job is not quite something to have in your resumé. They seem to have thought "If I see anything on the cabinet that is not black, I will shoot at it with my black paint water gun & then let it dry".
The original G07 monitor was gone as well & replaced with a Hantarex MTC9000, which they of course had done some true handyman wood work to make fit in the cabinet.
In the back you can see Kralleman working on his Pacman Pin.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/forum_attach.php.jpg)
On the upper back board, by some miracle, they managed to not totally destroy the Atari metal decal. They had "only" drilled a small hole right through the decal & other places (for screws), drilled one large hole in the board to fit a padlock & ended their fine work by cracking the board in two pieces (because why not?).
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20160518_200945.jpg)
While neither the decal or the board were in the best of shape, I still wanted to save it, so I cut a small board & attached it to then back of it to save the crack.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/IMG-20161018-WA0008.jpg)
Used my best friend chemical metal to cover the holes & cracks (except the small hole right through the decal), some grind work & then some paint job
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/forum_attach2.php.jpg)
For some reason I didn't take a photo of the back board result so here's a photo from one of our "beer and monitor recap evenings" instead
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/IMG_20160805_191255.jpg)
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That was a good night, same night Kralleman recapped my chassis for Tank! :)
Next time we dont have to sit at the dinner table I hope.
One question... did you use chemical metal on wood?
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Yes chemical metal works great most materials
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Great work so far!!
I always use some wood filler - I have some experience with it now ( since I drilled wrong holes into our new kitchendoor years ago :oops: ).
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Yes chemical metal works great most materials
chemical metal? never heard of it! can you give me / us some more information about it?
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I think I spotted this in one of his picture (where he filled the holes in the controlpanel)
(http://hybris.cms.henkel.com/medias/sys_master/8798923489310.jpg)
LINK (http://www.loctite.co.uk/loctite-4087.htm?nodeid=8802657107969)
Never heard of this before.
There seesm to be something similiar in Germany:
LINK (https://www.hein-gericke.de/loctite-chemical-metal.html)
(https://www.hein-gericke.de/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/611x611/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/7/37141120000-loctite-chemical-metal.jpg)
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just search for Chemical Metal on ebay and I bet you get some hits.
There is also Chemical Wood, I would go with wood for wood and metal for metal, but I understand that a greedy charactar like my friend Roger use what he already paid for instead of reopening his wallet :lol:
(https://www.ahlsell.se/external-assets/STEP_IB_BILD/JPEGlarge800_800/std.lang.all/_5/38/109555_2_538.jpg?preset=large)
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Yep it's that Plastic padding brand that Luigi linked. It's awesome to fix both metal & wood, as you've seen in this thread. John has used it in some of his Johns arcade-videos.
The reviews for chemical wood are pretty poor as far as I,ve seen.
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Thanks. I think I just found something to close those unwanted holes in my Dig Dug controlpanel :spaceace:
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Please tell me the result Luigi, I can almost promise you won't be dissapointed :)
I haven't tried the Loctite one but they always make great products so no doubt that will work as well
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thx guys, i will definitely put this on me WANTED LIST!!!
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Well, it's painted black now. Waiting for an incoming CPO :D
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20170123_155723.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/20170123_155730.jpg)
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looks quite alright! :)
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Not so exciting perhaps but I managed to get ahold of the buttons and the trackball (all original).
Filthy as hell so they needed some cleaning, dismantling everything
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170607_132122.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170607_132122.jpg.html) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170607_132253.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170607_132253.jpg.html)
A couple of hours in an ultrasonic bath together with some Simple Green makes wonders! For both filth and rust
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170607_133441.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170607_133441.jpg.html)
The ball wasn't going that smoothly afterwards so had to lubricate the ball-bearings a little. Worked like a charm :spaceace:
The technology in the trackball is quite amazing. Specially for the beginning of the 80s
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170608_154008.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170608_154008.jpg.html)
All screws rust free
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170607_151605.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170607_151605.jpg.html)
All buttons clean and shiny
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170608_154730.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170608_154730.jpg.html)
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Cool thread! I actually have used the same stuff as body filler when rebuilding my cabs - Plastic Padding chemical metal bought at Clas Ohlson. It is toxic as hell though, and it gives off heavy fumes that will shorten your life by a couple of years. In one of the videos by Ully he uses something called Ponal Duo. I think I will order some from Germany and try it out. Apparently it smells like bubble gum. :roll:
By the way, before you lash out 3000,- SEK on woodgrain vinyl from Escapepod. I ordered the following for my Tempest, and it is a very close match to the original: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161235122498?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
And at a tenth of the price. :)
Apart from woodwork, recapping is the most tedious part of this hobby. I wish I could sit in on one of your beer and cap evenings. Looks fun! :spaceace:
Cheers!
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You are welcome to join us, maybe take a weekend later this year?
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I love Chemical Metal, once you've applied it, it stays forever (use rubber gloves & don't get anything on the floor!) & the fumes keep you high enough to not begin to question what you're doing with your life when you spend time & money working on 40 year old video game crap.
Thank you for the woodgrain tip! What method did you use when applying it on the cabinet?
Absolutely, just take a weekend and join us some time! Arcade work, Arcade play and Beer :pac:
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Truth is, I haven't applied it yet! But I will let you know. ;)
I'd like that! Let's talk over summer! :)
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Finally applied my first CPO. It was quite nervous & the result is not perfect but I'm pleased with it nevertheless :)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170616_184840.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170616_184840.jpg.html) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/wargames00/th_20170616_184852.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/wargames00/media/20170616_184852.jpg.html)
The artwork is not the same as the original though. Realized that when I was done :ghost: Oh well, it doesn't bother me that much
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There's a Centi cabaret CP for sale in the Netherlands at the moment:
https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/verzamelen/automaten-overige/m1172628407-atari-centipede-control-panel-1980.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr&pos=1
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Truth is, I haven't applied it yet! But I will let you know. ;)
I'd like that! Let's talk over summer! :)
Better late than never but I did order the woodgrain side art and applied it some weeks ago. All I can say is that the side art is worthless :)
It won't stick on anything (certainly not wood grain) and the quality is really bad, easy to tear.
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Hmm, maybe you can "save" that with 2-sided sticky tape? You can get it in much larger sizes than the small tape´s like for closing packages.
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Doubt it, every roughness will be seen through the vinyl, it will not look good. I think I'm going to go with the Johns Arcade way. 1st apply laminate on the sides to get a flat surface: https://youtu.be/h3jF-61RuoI
Then apply the wood grain vinyl on the laminate.
I also rebuilt the trackball with the kit from AS: http://www.arcadeshop.com/i/16/2-trackball-rebuild-kit-atari-happ.htm
With two new optic PCBs: http://www.arcadeshop.com/i/828/atari-happ-trackball-optic-pcb.htm
Also shoutout to muddymusic for providing a new CPO :D