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General Chat => Galaxian Theater => Topic started by: DarthNuno on November 26, 2008, 06:17:08 PM
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This topic is dedicated to the original Galaxian³ mission : Project Dragoon
(the other topic dedicated to the Attack Of The Zolgear mission is right here (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=457.0))
Regarding the boards, no more suspense ;) :arrow:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/news/pddumped.jpg)
Holy Christ ! This is it !!! P-Man did it faster than light. He dumped the romset & documented the boards.
An important step has been done, but calm down... there is a long way to go before a Galaxian³ emulator...
Anyway, at least the Project Dragoon roms are now safe... forever ;-) Many thanks P-Man !!!
ok, i finally documented the boards and dumped the romset..
you can download it here:
http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/G3PD.RAR (http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/G3PD.RAR)
My pcbs are probably going to be put into storage now for a rainy day, i have way too much on to do anything with them right now, still, the documenting and dumping is done...
enjoy.
In addition of the pictures/documentation included in the Project Dragoon romset provided by P-Man, I'll add additional picture & information regarding that specific romset 8)
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Someone from the MAME team pointed out that i missed including OBJ3.BIN in my archive, and that VOI0 and VOI2 appear to have the same checksum.. i have added the missing rom, and verified that indeed, on my pcb, VOI0 and VOI2 carry identical data..
The archive has now been updated and i am told there is a skeleton MAME driver in place, waiting for the system 23 expert to look at it..
http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/G3PD.RAR (http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/G3PD.RAR)
enjoy..
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You guys rock!
I'm guessing it's going to take a VERY powerful PC with two monitors to run it?
Since I've never played the game (or seen it for that mater), I'm very happy to think that I might be able to one day.
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good news about those dumps...
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In the latest Mame .128u5 Release (source update from the 7 December), you can read in the whatsnew.txt (available right here (http://mamedev.org/updates/whatsnew_0128u5.txt))
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New games marked as GAME_NOT_WORKING
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Treasure Island [Angelo Salese]
Destiny Horoscope [Angelo Salese]
Galaxian 3 [Andy Welburn]
Witch Card (Video Klein) [Roberto Fresca, Guru]
Bra$il [David Haywood, Angelo Salese]
Fashion (Version 2.14) [David Haywood, Angelo Salese]
Il Pagliaccio [David Haywood, Angelo Salese]
It's just a skeleton of a driver, but hey... seeing the name Galaxian3 inside a mame release is an historical moment isn't it ? :-* :-* :-*
:spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
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Very good news 8)
Congratulations for your work :spaceace:
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....and back on this ;)
I got today all the boards used for the dump of 'Project Dragoon' (thanks Andy :-*) :arrow:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/various/galaxian3_dragoon_boards_1.jpg)
Very well packed, and the boards (11!) ...look like new 8) :arrow:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/various/galaxian3_dragoon_boards_2.jpg)
Ok, now the next step - as as suggested by Naibo on that post (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=758.0)- is to provide *ultra high* resolution pictures of all the boards, both side. I'll use these boards for that job. I don't have the right camera for that at home, but I'll do some test with a friend's Nikon D90 in these comings days.
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wouldn't it be an option to simply put them on an a3 scanner?
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wouldn't it be an option to simply put them on an a3 scanner?
Well, I have an A3 scanner, but unfortunately, I'm only able to use it for scanning sheets ...and nothing else :-\ Because if what I'm trying to scan is not EXACTLY against the scanner glass, it's all blur, like out of focus :'( I don't have the problem with my AGFA A4 scanner, but it would be a little bit complicate to assemble A4 parts... but I'll give a try once again :ghost:
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Ok, let's try with my AGFA A4 scanner :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Personal_PCB_scan.jpg)
Settings are : no compression, 600 DPI resolution!
As you can see, the board is bigger than the scanner, so it'll need multiple pass. Thanks to Photoshop CS, there is an automatic function to join multiple pictures into one :P :-*
But note that some items may be missing, on the border. Feel free to ask if you need better view of specific area 8)
More details regarding the disposition of the boards are available in the Galaxian³ [Zolgear] Emulation part #1 : the boards (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=457.0) post.
Let's start with :
1. PERSONAL PCB (3x)
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Personal_PCB_component_side_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Personal_PCB_component_side.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 48MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Personal_PCB_soldering_side_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Personal_PCB_soldering_side.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 48MB)]
2. SLAVE CPU PCB
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_component_side_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_component_side.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 32MB)]
An other view :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_component_kodak_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_component_kodak.jpg)
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_soldering_side_sma.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_soldering_side.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 30MB)]
3. MASTER CPU PCB
*this is exactly the same board than the Slave CPU PCB, only the jumpers/switch are set differently*
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Master_PCB_component_1a_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Master_PCB_component_1a.jpg)
An other view :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Master_PCB_component_1b_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Master_PCB_component_1b.jpg)
[click on the pictures for full size]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_soldering_side_sma.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_soldering_side.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 30MB)]
Now here's the jumper/switch settings for both board (Master CPU and Slave CPU) :arrow:
Localisation SW1 : Master Slave
#1 ON ON
#2 OFF ON
#3 OFF ON
#4 OFF OFF
SW2 : Reset button to press ... same for both
SW3 : Master Slave
#1 OFF OFF
#2 OFF OFF
#3 OFF OFF
#4 OFF OFF
#5 OFF OFF
#6 OFF OFF
#7 OFF OFF
#8 OFF OFF
SW4 : Master Slave
#1 OFF ON
#2 OFF ON
#3 OFF OFF
#4 OFF OFF
#5 OFF OFF
#6 OFF OFF
#7 OFF OFF
#8 OFF OFF
JP1 set to 4M 1M
JP2 CEN CEN
JP3 INT INT
JP4 not VCC not VCC
JP5 IN OUT
JP6 FON FON
JP7 HON HON
JP8 MST SLV
3. OBJ PCB (2x)
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_component_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_component.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_soldering_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_soldering.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
Additional views :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_component_1a_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_component_1a.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_component_1b_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_OBJ_component_1b.jpg)
4. DSP PCB (2x)
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_component_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_component.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_soldering_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_soldering.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
Additional views :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_component_1a_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_component_1a.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_component_1b_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_DSP_component_1b.jpg)
5. RSO PCB
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_component_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_component.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_soldering_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_soldering.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
Additional views :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_component_1a_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_component_1a.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_component_1b_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_RSO_component_1b.jpg)
6. THE 'BACKPLANE' PCB (2X)
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_component_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_component.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_soldering_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_soldering.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 15MB)]
Additional views :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_view1_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_view1.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_view2_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_backplane_view2.jpg)
7. V-MIX PCB
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_component_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_component.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_soldering_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_soldering.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 18MB)]
Additional views :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_component_1a_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_component_1a.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_component_1b_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_vmix_component_1b.jpg)
8. C-RAM PCB
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_component_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_component.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 18MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_soldering_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_soldering.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 16MB)]
Additional views :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_component_1a_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_component_1a.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_component_1b_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_ram_component_1b.jpg)
9. PGN PCB (2X)
COMPONENT SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_component_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_component.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 20MB)]
SOLDERING SIDE :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_soldering_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_soldering.jpg)
[click on the pictures for the full 600 DPI size picture (approx 18MB)]
Additional views :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_component_1a_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_component_1a.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_component_1b_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_pgn_component_1b.jpg)
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Amusing the pcb scan, great wallpaper ;)
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Nice idea ;)
Edit post : 'MASTER CPU board' picture available :)
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Well the component side pictures are very difficult to reassemble...
Maybe this kind of picture may be more useful ? :arrow:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_component_kodak_small.jpg) (http://www.arcadelifestyle.net/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Slave_PCB_component_kodak.jpg)
Still not have a good camera (I'm using a poor Kodak M883), too much noise on the full size picture :?
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In order to have more help, I've also post a message on Mame World board (http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=204992&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1) to highlight the huge work to do here , and of course having as much help as possible for all the tasks to do (the list is big :oops:) ...
Ok, regarding the question about taking pictures of the boards, get some advice from TheGuru : ... take the pics outside in sunlight but ensure there are no shadows on the pics. don't use a flash, you must do it outside in sunlight with no flash, perferably with a tripod so pics are in focus and bright...
The bad thing is ... my Kodak EasyShare M883 really suck, even if it's a 8 millions pixels :oops: But, let's see what I can do.
Here's the setup :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/Galaxian3_Kodak.jpg)
You can see the result, the pictures for the Master CPU boards on this topic... not too bad, but not accurate enough (This cheap Kodak sucks, and not enough sunlight in Belgium :evil:) BUT I'm sure with a better camera, like a Nikon D90, it will be perfect ;) Of course, the only judge will be the Mame Dev who'll analyze these pictures ;)
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Just add the 'OBJect' board details 8)
I've read one sentence this morning ... it makes my day :-* :-* :-* :arrow:
"I've also made some progress of CPU emulation from earlier this year. I've figured out the master/slave 68020 configuration, and made them communicate each other.
In my galaxian3 driver, the master 68020 has been able to upload many data to the slave. My code was based on MAME 0129u6. I'll do some cleaning up and submit it later." - Naibo
:-* :-* :-*
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Oh dear... :o :arrow:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/dragoon/galaxian3theater_palette.jpg)
The 2 68020 CPU boards has been able to pass many self test items(indicated by LEDs), and the master CPU uploads a lot of data to the slave, if given some patch/hack.
Among these data, there are:
DSP Code
Mathmatic Tables
2d sprite palette
Some test code
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From the sprite tiles, the 2d palette seems extracted correctly. - Naibo
I'm in love :-* :-* :-*
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DSP board details now available 8)
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RSO board details now available 8)
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Yay, it's on the fast track to emulation!
Does MAME handle most Laserdisc games well? I know 3D games are pretty demanding when it comes to CPU...
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Does MAME handle most Laserdisc games well? I know 3D games are pretty demanding when it comes to CPU...
Yes, most of them are working good, but require powerful CPU.
I've just put the ultra high-def. pictures of a major board : THE BACKPLANE
This one was extremely difficult to scan because it's a bigger board than the other ones PLUS there is a big level difference between the components... so not easy to lay down on the scanner and keep homogeneous pictures :twisted:. I had to scan FOUR areas... and reassemble it... no an easy task... but ... hey ... it's done! :-* Crazy job, let me tell you... :P :twisted:
This board is very interesting because if you look closer, you will see this one is able to manage itself FOUR PGN, DSP and OBJ boards! It can output up to FOUR different display devices (in that case, up to FOUR projectors).
The funny thing is a GT-6 (What we use to call 'Galaxian Theater') has TWO backplane! :arrow:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/G3/emulator/2ndbox1.JPG)
...so this 'piece' of hardware would be able to use up to 8 projectors! It's now clear that this backplane has been also used in the GM-16 model (Galaxian3 for 16 players), and maybe in the famous GH-28 (Galaxian3 for... 28 players!!! see here (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=399.0)).
:spaceace:
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Cool! Is it possible to extract the sound effects from the sound boards?
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Cool! Is it possible to extract the sound effects from the sound boards?
Cannot reply to this question yet, but I don't think there will be a lot of sounds... except fire/explosion sounds, menu sounds, insert coins sound... most (all?) of the backgrounds musics and voices seems to be on the laser disc footage... but who knows... let's wait some progress on this ;)
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The famous V-MIX PCB details, now available :-*
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The C-RAM PCB details are now available 8)
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...and the PGN PCB details are now available 8)
Guess what? ::) Yes! THIS IS IT! Details for all boards are now available :-*I hope this will help the dev. 8) Feel free to ask more details I you need it of course :-*
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What are the Lables/Models of these 2 ICs, on the C-RAM Board?
(The red circle on the right indicate some photoshop mis-aligns).
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What are the Lables/Models of these 2 ICs, on the C-RAM Board?
(The red circle on the right indicate some photoshop mis-aligns).
On the first picture, here's the ref for the IC located at 2J,2F, 7J, 7F on C-RAM PCB :
232782JAS
SN74S1057SC
What is the board on the second picture?
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What are the Lables/Models of these 2 ICs, on the C-RAM Board?
(The red circle on the right indicate some photoshop mis-aligns).
On the first picture, here's the ref for the IC located at 2J,2F, 7J, 7F on C-RAM PCB :
232782JAS
SN74S1057SC
What is the board on the second picture?
On the 2nd picture it's the CPU board. However, some other boards also have similar mis-align, on their slope-border.
Some tips I summerized for joining scaned pictures:
1. Make the join-border vertical or horizontal, instead of slope;
2. Noticed that most circuit on the CPU board's component-side are vertical, so scan it upper-and-lower, instead of left-and-right may avoid most mis-alignment.
I've downloaded your newly scaned CPU pitctures. They're pretty good. So you needn't re-scan them.
Have a nice trip!
8)
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OK Naibo :-* Let me know if you need more details ... now I'll set up a computer in order to digitalize the LD footage in a 'mame accurate' way 8)
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Tell me HOW to do it!!!!
I ask to some people and NEVER get a decent reply if any...
Great work Darth!!!
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Tell me HOW to do it!!!!
I ask to some people and NEVER get a decent reply if any...
Great work Darth!!!
Darth is darth ;D
Any, Any
Mav ;)
Ps= when you plan to send to bruno the Sega Japan Trip did last september? :o