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Title: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on January 17, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
Hey guys, I wanted to get your thoughts regarding original laserdisc hardware VS. Daphne.

Ideally I want a Dragon's Lair with a working laserdisc player. BUT, if I found a broken game and decided to go Daphne, will I regret it? Should I strive for laserdisc only?


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Muerto on January 17, 2014, 09:41:42 PM
I think Bruno is you man to answer this question.
But, if you can find an original one, its all ways better (IMH!) :spaceace:


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Belike on January 18, 2014, 01:30:51 AM
Daphne s...s, laserdisc rules. ;) ;D


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: DarthNuno on January 19, 2014, 04:14:22 PM
You can't go wrong with Daphne. This emulator has been created by the strongest Dragon's Lair fans on earth!  8) Every single details have been taken in consideration by the coders. For them, it's wasn't just 'an other rom or something to emulate'...no it was 'we know well how the original hardware work, so let's do the think right". I'm using it in my Space Ace cabinet and I couldn't be more happy.
Of course, nothing can't beat the original hardware, but in this case, repairing a LD player could be a true nightmare!  ;)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Level42 on January 19, 2014, 07:50:18 PM
What does it matter on what hardware an interactive movie runs on  ;D


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: DarthNuno on January 19, 2014, 08:02:01 PM
LOL, yes  ;) But what's important here is for example the moves timing, which was wrong in most the commercial releases of the game.
Daphne is 100% arcade accurate. Same for the score schema. You can also use Daphne with a true LD player, and even with a real external score board (for the US Cinematronics  version of the cabinet)  ;)
So Daphne has all the features to efficiently replace the real board and even the LD player...what else?   8)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 20, 2014, 07:46:58 AM
i am not an expert at all, but i hear the lasedisc gives alot of troubles.

the disks can rot, and the players die.

i think Daphne is a good alternative, if configured correct, you will not know the difference i think

plus its easy to install, if you have a iso of the dvd version, Daphne detects that as a valid source and it will download the correct content then.

i am sure there is a way to get one of those dvd's  ;)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on January 20, 2014, 09:18:25 AM
I'm using it in my Space Ace cabinet and I couldn't be more happy.
Of course, nothing can't beat the original hardware, but in this case, repairing a LD player could be a true nightmare!  ;)

i played space ace on your machine and i did not even notice that it was daphne. :)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: gyruss on January 20, 2014, 10:20:38 AM
What does it matter on what hardware an interactive movie runs on  ;D

Interactive?  ;D ;)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Level42 on January 20, 2014, 11:05:54 AM
Yes it's a movie and when you touch the joystick you die.


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: anunaki on January 20, 2014, 11:13:47 AM
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on January 20, 2014, 11:33:23 AM
Yes it's a movie and when you touch the joystick you die.

+1


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Blanol on January 20, 2014, 02:10:58 PM
I agree with all of you, but...

I think I've tested almost every available version of DL (getting better image each time, last one was Blu-Ray,HD enhanced, aso)
including Daphne with downloaded Mpegs or DVD-converted files but never, never did I feel the same as the original LD.

Laserdisc has a picture quality that I never was able to find in any conversion I've played.
May be that's because I Played the LD version on a TV and the other versions on PC Monitors.

But I remember the first time I was able to play DL using Daphne, and a real LD player.
I tought : "That's the real DL I was playing in the arcade" and that i've been looking for all these years each time a new version was out.

So is LD Image great or is it just an output hardware display difference that i noticed ?


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on January 20, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
Yes it's a movie and when you touch the joystick you die.

this made me laugh out loud. HAHA!


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 16, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
What do you guys think of this machine?

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4oKU-rD4RP9UVZ4MndpaHZ3d3M&usp=sharing

It's all original. 100% working (supposedly)

Needs new CPO and side art and I think that's it.


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on July 16, 2014, 03:18:21 PM
What do you guys think of this machine?

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4oKU-rD4RP9UVZ4MndpaHZ3d3M&usp=sharing

It's all original. 100% working (supposedly)

Needs new CPO and side art and I think that's it.

I would kill for it if it was on sale in Europe. :)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Level42 on July 16, 2014, 03:21:56 PM
What do you guys think of this machine?

Believe me, you really don't want to know..... ;D


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 16, 2014, 03:43:28 PM
So, nothing stands out as being incorrect? I am mostly interested to make sure the inside of the game hasn't been molested and is indeed original.

If all goes as planned, this will be in the basement soon.


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on July 16, 2014, 03:48:55 PM
So, nothing stands out as being incorrect? I am mostly interested to make sure the inside of the game hasn't been molested and is indeed original.

If all goes as planned, this will be in the basement soon.

very nice! go for it if the price is not too high.


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 16, 2014, 04:45:03 PM
So, nothing stands out as being incorrect? I am mostly interested to make sure the inside of the game hasn't been molested and is indeed original.

If all goes as planned, this will be in the basement soon.

very nice! go for it if the price is not too high.

The price is ok. It's not cheap but it's not stupid. :) I really want one of these games, they are beyond cool. So, I think I just need to go for it!

I know nothing about how it's supposed to look inside. But it seems this game is indeed original. So, yeah... I am going for it! :)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on July 16, 2014, 05:13:45 PM


I know nothing about how it's supposed to look inside. But it seems this game is indeed original. So, yeah... I am going for it! :)

great. hope to see it on video soon. :)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Sonic 1992 on July 16, 2014, 09:24:31 PM
Looks like it's running on an LDV-1000!  ;D   Mine has been running on that since 1995! 

I have a High Tech Card on standby, just in case!


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 17, 2014, 03:46:51 PM
Looks like it's running on an LDV-1000!  ;D   Mine has been running on that since 1995! 

I have a High Tech Card on standby, just in case!

Is the LDV-1000 ok??


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Vond on July 17, 2014, 04:47:56 PM
What do you guys think of this machine?

Believe me, you really don't want to know..... ;D

I love your reactions to anything Dragons Lair related :D


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 17, 2014, 06:45:26 PM
 ;D you know whats more ironic ?  

Guess who is the top poster on a forum called "dragonslairfans"  ::)

Looks like it's running on an LDV-1000!  ;D   Mine has been running on that since 1995! 

I have a High Tech Card on standby, just in case!

Is the LDV-1000 ok??

I guess it is, barry's one is running for 19 years now..


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Level42 on July 17, 2014, 07:04:06 PM
;D you know whats more ironic ?  

Guess who is the top poster on a forum called "dragonslairfans"  ::)

Uh-uh....it's also called Arcadelifestyle.net !!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 17, 2014, 07:06:51 PM
Yeah, but thats just a alias that redirects to this url  ;) ;)

Point taken though  ;D


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 20, 2014, 01:11:59 AM
DONE AND DONE!!!!!

It needs a new CPO and side art. THAT'S IT!


(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3891/14692245432_33e879d59b_c.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3895/14507600298_5bfa504e51_c.jpg)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on July 20, 2014, 06:39:23 AM
DONE AND DONE!!!!!

It needs a new CPO and side art. THAT'S IT!


(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3891/14692245432_33e879d59b_c.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3895/14507600298_5bfa504e51_c.jpg)

i hate you, sir! ;)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 20, 2014, 02:27:18 PM
Fun to see you in front of the camera,

did you need to move something out, or is it in place of the Starwars ?

ps, Andre, i would like to know your take on the following  ;) :D :D :D

Starwars out - Dragons Lair in


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on July 20, 2014, 02:31:33 PM


Starwars out - Dragons Lair in

harhar. the only way for me would be:

star wars in
dragons lair in


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 20, 2014, 03:25:45 PM
I had an empty space already from when I sold the Black Knight pinball. I was saving that space for Journey. D'oh! Star Wars is still in the basement but it's on death row. It's leaving soon to be replaced by a 720. :)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 20, 2014, 03:58:21 PM
and where is journey going ?  or will that be staying in the garage with the cassette attract ?  ;)

I actually like the cassette attract mode iyam.


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 20, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
and where is journey going ?  or will that be staying in the garage with the cassette attract ?  ;)

I actually like the cassette attract mode iyam.

I think QIX is leaving to make room for the Journey. :) Unless I can figure out a way to get one more game in the basement. However, I need space for two more games. Quantum needs to come down too!!! !@!@#!$


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 24, 2014, 04:51:22 PM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3861/14536548609_2923f96eb2_b.jpg)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Q*ris on July 24, 2014, 06:48:58 PM
 ;D ;D ;D :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: johnsarcade on July 24, 2014, 08:30:22 PM
HA. HA.



Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Tyrem on July 24, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
hrhrhrhr...


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on July 24, 2014, 08:43:38 PM
this passed the chat during the last AO, i thought it was hilarious :-)

i did not make it though


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: synonym9 on September 30, 2014, 01:57:16 AM
I agree with all of you, but...

I think I've tested almost every available version of DL (getting better image each time, last one was Blu-Ray,HD enhanced, aso)
including Daphne with downloaded Mpegs or DVD-converted files but never, never did I feel the same as the original LD.

Laserdisc has a picture quality that I never was able to find in any conversion I've played.
May be that's because I Played the LD version on a TV and the other versions on PC Monitors.

But I remember the first time I was able to play DL using Daphne, and a real LD player.
I tought : "That's the real DL I was playing in the arcade" and that i've been looking for all these years each time a new version was out.

So is LD Image great or is it just an output hardware display difference that i noticed ?

It appears a little like purism and fan-fanatism.

A LD-Player uses a laser to read the disc as well as a DVD- or Bluray-Player, right?

If you go with .mpeg´s (or what ever files), with LD, DVD or BR, its all digital content. For my understanding it should be all the same as well as the testmonitor is the same.

The LD has been replaced by the DVD and the DVD by the BR....and one is the enhancement of the other - from that point of view the LD should be the lowest quality...although, if the LD is the source the other media wont be better than the LD-content, but should at least be as good as the source.

Thats my consideration :)


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: Level42 on September 30, 2014, 12:22:28 PM
No. Laserdisc video is analogue not digital. Audio was digital later though.

Analogue signal allows for infinite colors and will never show artifacting. Maybe that is what can be seen although as difference but esp. Blu-Ray should be able to produce a better picture quality if they were recreated from the original films. If that is desirable for a classic cab.....I don't think so.

But I agree that I personally wouldn't care where the picture is coming from.


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: synonym9 on September 30, 2014, 02:09:26 PM


André, thanks for the enlightment.

I will walk through that alley when I start the restoration of my Space Ace.

Do they produce DVD, Bluray and other materials from the original films?


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: DarthNuno on September 30, 2014, 06:42:20 PM

I will walk through that alley when I start the restoration of my Space Ace.

Do they produce DVD, Bluray and other materials from the original films?

Just buy this : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragons-Lair-20th-Anniversary-Special-Edition-Box-Set-DVD-3-DVD-Games-/111468581119?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item19f40b90ff

Then download daphne right here :http://www.daphne-emu.com/site3/index_hi.php
Daphne will rip for you the footage from that 20th anniversary DVD version, well know to be the best source ever / recognized to be as close as possible than the original LD material.
...and you'll play DL/SA, legally with the true roms! Check the FAQ on Daphne right here (http://www.daphne-emu.com/site3/index_hi.php).


Title: Re: I want to find a Dragon's Lair this year. How important is original hardware?
Post by: synonym9 on October 09, 2014, 12:00:14 AM


Blu-Ray should be able to produce a better picture quality if they were recreated from the original films. If that is desirable for a classic cab.....I don't think so.

But I agree that I personally wouldn't care where the picture is coming from.

If the original hardware does'nt work and I have to choose a system that does not deliver exactly the same image but rather comes extremly close to it I will go with a system that looks rather better than the original.