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Title: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Sphere on December 09, 2013, 12:26:10 AM
Well, as you might see in my profile I am mainly a reader of this forum not so much a participater. Seeing that I would like to change that I decided to do a roadtrip & restoration on this forum. Recently I had a chat with Vnera about a couple of cocktail cabs he has for sale on this forum (go check it out, he is a good guy and sells good stuff :D). After a couple of chats we came to an agreement and I decided to buy a Taito Cocktail cabinet and see whether I will be able to get it restored. So in the tradition of roadtrips here we go!

The trip was going from Zoetermeer (NL) to Sambeek (NL):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/Screenshot2013-12-08235930.png)

So of course the basics were needed ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08133739.jpg)

And we need a vehicle!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08135122.jpg)

So far so good, a cockpit screen for the time and milage:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08135216.jpg)

Yes yes, quite the milage but a reliable little bugger is it... more about this subject later. Off to Sambeek! The roads were not very busy so I actually had quite a swift ride.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08142902.jpg)

And at around 15:45 I arrived in Sambeek. Picked up the cab and started my journey home at 16:15 and ... ohoh...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08163304.jpg)

Not good, on the way to Sambeek I already noticed my engine had some troubles. I didn't really gave it too much thought as the car kept driving. Heading back home I just didn't trust it and called the ANWB (Triple A in The Netherlands). The advised me to stay put and do not drive another km with that car. They showed up within half an hour and said:"You are going to be here a while, it is quite possible that one of your pistons is damaged and to prevent more damage your car needs to be towed :o

So, at 19:45 I arrived home with my car :-\

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08194134.jpg)

Thing of it, actually 19:45 is not such a bad time but without the problems it would have been 18:45. A well, shyt happen and then you... go mess around with the cocktail you just bought! ;D

To give you an impression of the current state:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210114.jpg)

I believe the monitor is original and in very good shape, I have not noticed any burn (yet) and its nice and bright.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210120.jpg)

The control panels are in very good shape:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210133.jpg)

Coin mechanisme is missing unfortunately. Hopefully I will be able to find a new one and replace it with this coin button (?).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210158.jpg)

The legs look like they have some oxidation but no rust. I think with some aluminum polishing I will be able to restore this chrome.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210220.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210229.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210237.jpg)

Here is that cab tag with serial:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210302.jpg)

And what I love most is the Taito stamp or whatever it is called ;D:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210311.jpg)

Another pic of the CP:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210336.jpg)

And some inspection label on the inside:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210704.jpg)

The inside with a hanglyman pcb:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210739.jpg)

The original power supply (?):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210802.jpg)

A peak under the monitor:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210817.jpg)

The chrome corners, they look pretty beatup but they are not so bad actually. The picture showes more than the naked eye, nevertheless they do need a nice polish. The corners do need some work and the black metal under part needs to be spray painted.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210852.jpg)

It looks pretty beatup but actually I am quite impressed with the state it is in. It's old, it has scratches and the top needs to be fully restored but I think it is quite do-able and so I intend to do so the coming weeks, months, years :o

So much for the start of this topic, I am off to bed now. Hope you guys will enjoy this topic, I know I will :D. Will keep you posted on the progress.

Regards,

Pieter






Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on December 09, 2013, 07:09:38 AM
Nice pickup ! , too bad for the car trouble..


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Vond on December 09, 2013, 10:18:14 AM
Thanx for sharing!
Sucks as for the car trouble :(

Looks like a fun project! Will be following this!


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Sphere on December 09, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
Thanks for the support guys ;D . With 240.000km this is the first time she let me down so I'll give her a break. I brought her to the shop today so hopefully it is not a big problem.

Anyway this topic is about the the cab. This week I think I will be starting with the restoration of the chrome. I read that aluminum and cola helps reduce rust and get the shine back on the chrome. Anyone any experience with that?


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: anunaki on December 09, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
Nice catch  :spaceace:


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Belike on December 09, 2013, 12:04:49 PM
This pic reminds me to the Millenium Falcon. :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210336.jpg)

Nice catch!


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Vond on December 09, 2013, 04:53:25 PM
Thanks for the support guys ;D . With 240.000km this is the first time she let me down so I'll give her a break. I brought her to the shop today so hopefully it is not a big problem.

Anyway this topic is about the the cab. This week I think I will be starting with the restoration of the chrome. I read that aluminum and cola helps reduce rust and get the shine back on the chrome. Anyone any experience with that?

I dont know about chrome but to de-rust metal parts I usually use apple vinegar.
You can get it at the Albert Heijn store and probably at other places as well, its called Ciderazijn and worked miracles on
my rusted parts (bolts etc)

Again, not sure about chrome though.


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on December 09, 2013, 06:03:47 PM
chrome polish is available at every automotive store


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: DarthNuno on December 09, 2013, 07:39:36 PM
Thanks for sharing this story with us.
SI Part II... nice catch!  :)

 :spaceace:


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Laszo on December 09, 2013, 07:55:50 PM
This pic reminds me to the Millenium Falcon. :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Spheradelic/2013-12-08210336.jpg)

Nice catch!

Yeah but on the left side the had their stereo amp and video deck including tapes.... Very handy for those boring patrol trips in hyperspace  ;D


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Sphere on December 13, 2013, 05:36:05 PM
Alright, I have a question about this screen. Can I actually discharge the monitor by putting a screwdriver in between the suction cup and screen attached to a wired connected to the frame (aka the usual crude way of discharging a monitor) or are these older monitors more sensitive and require a different approach?


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Level42 on December 13, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
Are you planning on separating the tube from the chassis ?


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Sphere on December 13, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
Yes I think I have to as I unable to reach the bottom of the cab to work on the control panels and the wires. I don't feel comfortable lifting out the monitor without discharging. Or am I just being to cautious?


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on December 13, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
yes.

If you are not planning on separating the chassis from the tube, you dont have to discharge

just dont touch the chassis, and lift it out by its frame


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Level42 on December 13, 2013, 07:05:11 PM
What the man above says :)

Too many (beginning) hobbyists are in fact placing themselves in more risk of getting a shock by trying to discharge the tube then simply lifting out the monitor by it's frame. Just don't put your hands anywhere near the HV cup.

It's really only necessary when you're going to remove the HV cup.


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Sphere on December 13, 2013, 07:47:59 PM
Hehe well I do understand that discharging only needs to be done as a necessity I just didn't realise that the cocktail monitor has a frame that holds the chassis as well. I didn't realise nor see a frame but on the other hand I was not looking for one as I wasn't expecting one. This is truly inexperience from my side. I will check whether it has a frame or not. ;D


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Sphere on December 13, 2013, 08:12:11 PM
Hm, it doesn't seem to have a frame. Not sure whether this is original or not, the assembly guide from taito does not show me anything about the chassis (or I'm not seeing it). What I have seen so far is that the chassis is mounted on the bottom of the cab. I'll see if I can make some room to further investigate.


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Level42 on December 13, 2013, 08:23:17 PM
Looking at the pics again I think you're right. The tube seems to be installed on jus the two supports and the PCB is probably not fixed to it.

So no frame and then indeed....you should discharge it. You described a way that most guys use, the biggest risk is touching the metal of the screwdriver....


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on December 13, 2013, 09:50:13 PM
Indeed, it looks like there is no frame..  Weird

I would expect a frame, like in my old dk table:

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/dktable/fase1/8.jpg)

Anyway, just discharge like any other monitor


Title: Re: Roadtrip & resto: Space Invaders Part II Cocktail
Post by: Sphere on December 14, 2013, 09:47:27 AM
Hm.. okay well I removed some metal sheet under the PCB in order to see what is under the screen and indeed there is no frame that holds the chassis. I suppose that that could be done nevertheless. There is a different problem now because after I have closed everyting up and connected the PCB it seems that the monitor was working properly but the games was not connect properly. After turning off the cocktail, re-adjusting the pcb to the loom and turning the cocktail back on the screen doesn't turn on anymore. :-\

Not sure what it is. It seems that cocktail is receiving power as the fan (a quite old and loud fan :D) is turning but the monitor is not powering up. I have checked the visible fuses and these seem to be in check but I have not checked any of the fuses on the chassis. I suppose this is going to be a bigger restoration than I thought ;D