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Title: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on April 22, 2012, 01:53:48 PM
Hi,

Couple of months ago I saw an arcade for sale on "marktplaats". It was located in a greenhouse near my office in The Hague. So I started a 6 mile road trip. The owner was very friendly, he told me that he owned the game for 15 years, it was in the greenhouse catine and they played it until it stopped. I checked out the cab. It was dirty, the artwork was damaged, the sides are plain formica with a green marble print so all the good reasons to let it rot. But on the upside, it was a really cute small cabinet, the artwork used to be stunning, it looked complete, it was a original Japanese cabinet, the price was right and ..... I was there and I just had to save it.

I drove home, promised the wife that it would only be in our garage for a short stay and unloaded it. A quick inspection of the wiring showed a broken of wire at one of the connectors. I reconnected it and decided to start it up.... I mean hell it was not working to start with so what could go wrong....... I plugged it in and flipped the switch.

.......... I was looking in the back, saw the neck of the tube glow and..... heard a familiar space invader sound. I quickly moved to the front. Only sound no picture, but what I had not seen in the dark was revealed now by the burning TL tube, a see through mirror with behind it a lovely landscape. ........ Not the normal space invaders moon but a desserted valley on a astroid with stars and two unknow planets in the sky.... What a desolated place to defent mankind against those nasty alien horde. A sharp pop, sound fading, smoke and a nasty smell.... a rude wake-up call. I pulled the plug, looked in the back decide that the still smoking Elco was a warning to not push my luck. This baby needs some love and some ordely checking out before we fire her up again.









Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on April 22, 2012, 02:13:03 PM
So I started with some close up inspection..... Mice have been living in the cabinet. Lots of droppings and rust on top of all the metal parts. "Funny" to see how this mice pee only corroded the top side of al the metal parts. Furthermore they seem to like only certain collor wiring while other wires where not touched.

some pictures:



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on April 22, 2012, 02:17:41 PM
Does any hardware look familiar??? I do not have any schematics and I will probably need to do some repairs  :-[


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on April 22, 2012, 02:23:49 PM
So I decided to start reparing and cleaning bottum up, starting with the cracked power plug. Totaly dirty line filter including the rusted cver that I found at the bottum of the cabinet.

Some pictures again:



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on April 22, 2012, 02:29:36 PM
Next the transformer plant:



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Superully on April 22, 2012, 02:40:53 PM
looks like a lot of work ahead of you, but so far you're doing great! good luck!!!


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on April 22, 2012, 02:51:59 PM
Tested the net filter and the transformer plant and it all tested good. I did however move the high tap from 220V to 240V, otherwise all values on the output side where to high. Since 1978 the Dutch power grid moved from 220v to 230V. So up next is the power supply  board.

It needed some serious cleaning and re-capping. I clean the boards and wiring as follows, first I put it under the hot water tap, then I apply Dasty degreaser and a soft brush the remove all dirt, than cleansing it under the hot tap again to remove all the Dasty, finally I put the whole board under in cleansing alcohol (spiritus). The spiritus removes all the water. Next is the hot air blower to quickly remove the alcohol.... best to do this outside.... saves the brain  :P (less typo's)



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: DarthNuno on April 22, 2012, 02:54:09 PM
When I saw the first picture of this post...

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3541.0;attach=1898;image)

...I though it was a 70s mechanical with a white flying saucer!  :P ... it was just the background (and the planet Saturn).

Good work on this project!


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on April 22, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Looks like alot of work, but that big difference between before and after makes it all so worth.

I love to see the before and after pics.
Just to see what a little effort can make so much difference!

anyway, goodluck !


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on April 22, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
So far so good. Next the wiring harnas. Cleaned it as posted above. It was so dirty.... and it came out so nice... I could see the different collors agian  :D.....  >:( I could also see a lot of bare wires..... MICE  :pac:eat wires.... Funny and lucky for them and me they did not try the HV wires. Still a lot of checking, replacing wires and applying shrink tube.

Next step connecting the transformers, power plant and the powerboard. I flipped the switch, let's see what happens.....well all looked ok, the fuses did not blow....still a heard some sputtering, listened more closely and then noticed one new Elco's was getting really hot and it was venting gass..... POWER OF, inspected the board... stupid me this Elco was part of the -5V set-up.... So it should have had the + lead tied to ground not the  - lead. AS INDICATED ON THE PRINT  :oops: :oops:

So fixed that, switched the power plant back on and started measuring. 18V check, 12v check, -5v check, 5V  :-\ :-\ NOPE 11,8 Volt. NOT GOOD.

So I started tracing the problem with no schematics to help me. I traced the problem down to the voltage regulator a:

Toshiba: TA7089P

so I downloaded the sheet to check this baby out.... yep the input and ground pin where correct, 0V and 11,8 V, the output should then be 5V but is was 11,8 Volt.

Did some more measuring and while doing so the chip suddenly died completely one moment the output was 11,2 Volt next ....nothing at all, all pins except input where death.....

Does anyone know a source where I can buy, this voltage regulator, a replacement or a substitute like a TA7089m (different housing). So far I found really expensive resources... over 20 Euro's including shipping (China, South Africa ect.)

I surely hope that the 11,8 Volt did not reach the PCB.



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 13, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
little update, little progress, just ordered 2x TA7089 in China. So let's wait and see ...... while waiting for the parts I did take the coin door and the cash drawer apart, this must be applied by a non native speaker  :)



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 13, 2012, 10:31:49 PM
service :)

(http://DSC_2063.jpg)

this one must have gone round.

(http://DSC_2064.jpg)

many guilders have hit this spot.....

(http://DSC_2119.jpg)


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 13, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
Did some wood work/glue work today:



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on May 14, 2012, 07:31:23 AM
hehehe, i need that SURVICE Sticker in my collection  ;D



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 14, 2012, 07:45:32 AM
Great hardcore resto of a bootleg: Love it !!

Mice infested....seems to be pretty rare in Europe, even more credit to you for doing this !!

I really like the idea of painting the transformer. Some transformers you don't get to look good with just cleaning etc. Looks like you removed parts of the transformer before painting ?

None of the hardware looks familiar to me, I'm really curious what kind of monitor that is.

Keep it up ! :)


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 17, 2012, 12:05:31 PM
 @level42, yep I took the transformer apart, front and back plate and the supports. This way the spraypaint jobs looks cleaner when you put it together again. Tonight I will post some more pics, including serious tube cleaning  ;D


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 18, 2012, 10:15:50 AM
Did some serious CRT window washing, used Dasty (de-creaser) and hot water, let it dry in the sun .



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 18, 2012, 10:19:58 AM
Fresh layer of paint for the CRT holding plate:



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 18, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
Last night had time to reassemble the coin door including a new 50 euro cent coin plate and a new lock.

Sweet.

 


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 18, 2012, 04:44:15 PM
Wow, the back coating survived the Dasty ? I know it's pretty aggressive stuff...


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 18, 2012, 04:59:11 PM
Wow, the back coating survived the Dasty ? I know it's pretty aggressive stuff...

I hope so, it stills looks ok and without the greasy dust mess, but we will see. How do others clean crt's?


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on May 18, 2012, 10:08:38 PM
I always use alcohol for the front, and the back i am always affraid to touch because i don't want to damage the aquadag..

The front is basicly just thick glass..


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 18, 2012, 10:33:42 PM
I always use alcohol for the front, and the back i am always affraid to touch because i don't want to damage the aquadag..

No need. I have been scared to touch the aquadag for ages as well but since I cleaned the HD tube I was over it. I used some water and a small sponge, no chemicals. Did it again on the G05-802 and no problems at all.



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 19, 2012, 12:38:20 AM
I always use alcohol for the front, and the back i am always affraid to touch because i don't want to damage the aquadag..

No need. I have been scared to touch the aquadag for ages as well but since I cleaned the HD tube I was over it. I used some water and a small sponge, no chemicals. Did it again on the G05-802 and no problems at all.



I will let you guys know when (if) I get it running. What I like about Dasty is that you just spray it on and the dirt, grease and nicotine comes right of. I use a soft brush and then plenty of hot water. I also use the same procedure for pcb's but those go in a alcohol bath after the hot water and are then blown dry. If the aquadag is damaged then i believe you can repair it... It is just paint, isn't it?


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 19, 2012, 01:15:04 AM
Yup I use Dasty too, it's also dirt cheap :)

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=62784.msg624249#msg624249

But you have to use it with care.

Yes aquadag can be repaired or you can make an entire new one:
http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3095.msg45258#msg45258


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 21, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
Little update, two days ago I got mail from China. Look at that for 8 Euro. One nice box with two little 7089's. One two replace the faulty one and one spare. I can not believe that they can orderpick, do the paperwork and airmail 2 ic's. I  wonder who's got a problem them or we  :?




Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 21, 2012, 09:50:14 PM
so I did replace the faulty 7089 and when on it did the 555 also because I did not like what I saw on the scope. ......... Yes



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 21, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
 :spaceace:


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on May 21, 2012, 11:11:18 PM
So with a working power pcb it was time to setup the lab. I must say I was afraid that the game pcb was completely death. (the faulty 7089 gave a 10.8 volt DC feed directly to the game pcb). But with the power on and the scope in hand I found some life. There is also a muffled sound and I get some logic on some IC's. On the other hand a also get a lot of readings that look weird to me  ???

QUESTION: How can I check the video out signal without using the original monitor.

QUESTION 2: I don't have a schematic for my PCB but I know there are Taito and Midway schematics, did anyone ever compare these? I'm interested if they are compatible.

THE LAB  ;)



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 21, 2012, 11:17:01 PM
I don't know the answer for Q2, but for Q1 you can simply get a TV (or f.i. a Commodore 1084 monitor) with a composite video input (yellow RCA jack) and connect the video out to the center pin and GND to the edge.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 21, 2012, 11:22:13 PM
Mmmm, I'm actually not sure if the 1084 has a composite video input. Maybe, maybe not. A Commodore 1702 will definitely work, but really any TV with a set of (front) inputs with a yellow, red and white RCA connector should work.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laschek on May 22, 2012, 10:13:46 AM
Is it really a composite signal? A black and white signal is just video signal, no sync etc. needed.
Usually I test b/w boards on my 1084 Monitor (via a MAK with a jamma connector) by connecting the video out signal of the PCB to R, G, B, & Sync on a Jamma fingerboard simultaneously, this gets you a black and white picture.
Of course connecting to just one of the colors would also be ok for testing purposes, but I prefer to look at b/w picture instead a red, green, or blue one  ;)


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on May 22, 2012, 10:23:20 AM
Is it really a composite signal? A black and white signal is just video signal, no sync etc. needed.

I didn't say the PCB outputs a composite video signal, I said he could hook it up to anything with a composite video INPUT :)

Your solution works too of course but it's a bit more work.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on June 06, 2012, 09:27:47 AM
Hi Guy's.... and girls??

Little update on the SI project. Did not have much time, but got some work done. Cleaned the inside of the cabinet en spraypainted a fresh layer of semi gloss black on the inside. Also painted the inside bottom plate white. Originally it was bare wood but it was so dirty from mice pee and the oil I used to get the bolts moving that I decided that it looked better painted.

Still some work to do.

- fix loose wires and groundstrap from the CRT.
- test CRT and chassis
- fix PCB
- clean button's
- restore landscape decall
- restore light fixture
- build everything back in
- repair, renew bottom plate
- make new backdoor
- build it together again  :P


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on June 06, 2012, 09:32:23 AM
Fixed broken wires and CRT grond strap.

QUESTION, One of the springs for the ground wire was missing so I used new springs to fix the ground. New ones are not so strong and little bit bigger in diameter. Is this ok? See picture.





Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on June 06, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
As long as it makes good contact with the aquadag.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on June 25, 2012, 11:15:51 PM
Did not have much time lately to but at last some results. Made a new backdoor.... Needed that before I start working on the CRT (got 3 little boy's at home who love to help dad even when dad is not around  :o) And tonight I did some more woodwork, the bottom side of the cabinet was really rotten so I replace the wood panels. I must say that I'm happy with the result. Next step primer and black paint.






Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on August 14, 2012, 12:43:10 AM
Hi Guys,

After a nice holidays in beautifull Italie and Swiss it is back to work and back to my night job..... SI :wink:. Just before the holidays I finished the cleaning and derusting of most of the parts. The last being the fluorisent light fixings.

So it was time to reassemble the machine and to get it working. The first step was to see if the tube and CRT where ok. Last night I tried to make a setup outside the cabinet to have better control while firing up the tube. It did not work out because the cabling was not long enough. My workbench included beercrades to stable the whole setup. Then suddenly I realized that it would be really sad if I would break the tube or get electrocuted.... I allready invested a lot of time in this salavation  :-\

So I decided to put the tube and chassis and the rest into the cabinet. I hooked up the portable dvd player and wired it to the video input of the chassis. Fingers crossed and I plugged it in. ......... No flash, no fire, no explosion just a soft hum and neck glow. I quickly went to the front and looky looky Barbapa in  black and white was on the tv  :D So that was great the monitor was working.

Tonight I build the pcb, harness and power supply back in. Fired up the machine and.......... :evil: No invasion today. Well I was not complete disappointed because there is a picture.... black and white vertical lines and there is a constant sound like whee,whee, whee, whee really fast.

So now I could really use some HELP. Who has any idea what is wrong and where I should start analyzing? I have a picture of the monitor right here in this posting.





Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on August 14, 2012, 08:30:50 AM
Booooohhhh, we want to see Barbapapa,Barbamama,Barbabob,Barbabientje,Barbabelle,Barbaborre,Barbabenno,Barbabee en Barbalalaaaaaaaaaa....  ;D ;D

I know nothing about SI hardware...of course there are the obvious basic things like power supplies, connectors and EPROM sockets.



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on August 24, 2012, 11:08:57 PM
I came this far so I won't quit ;D I need to tackle the pcb problem....


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on August 24, 2012, 11:16:42 PM
Yes you did awesome work so far, would be a shame to end it here....


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 08, 2012, 07:59:56 AM
Hi Guys,

Does anyone know a good source to buy a white blacklight tube for my space invader?


Thanks


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Q*ris on September 08, 2012, 08:16:02 AM
I'll post the reference of the one in my Taito tomorrow.
You sometimes can find these neons in shops where they sell reptiles or other exotic weird animals.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Q*ris on September 16, 2012, 09:21:39 PM
Days are becoming longer and longer don't you think? ::) :oops:
Anyway here's what's inside my Taito SI behind the moon:
(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/~chrischris/arcade/my_spaceinvaders/L1190815_web.jpg)

…and for the record this is the reply from Giddygoon who also owns one
Quote
mine is a regular neon, which is 17watt neon tube... I think the black light is for both American versions midway versions...


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on September 16, 2012, 09:38:42 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGHHHH, I thought we were passed this but here is another case for.......

(http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1439/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1439R-1040406.jpg)

The Neon Police !!!!

(Man, we walked past this Police Station in NYC last year and incredibly I forgot to take a picture there !.....)

One last time buddy, NEON =/ fluorescent tubes !!!


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on September 16, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
But seriously, you mean there is no cool black light in the Japanese SI ??


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Q*ris on September 17, 2012, 02:37:22 AM
The BL on the tube stands for black light.
It's a pic of my original 15 watt black light fluorescent tube with white glass (don't use the blue glass ones).
Even if I can always replace it with a modern one, I'll be sad when it will die

To Lazslo: it's apparently also sometimes used in devices that kill mosquitoes and other flying bugs.

I guess these are the "modern" equivalents, but double check with yours:
http://www.amazon.com/GE-35884-F15T8-Fluorescent-Black/dp/B002CYXIEM/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1339091623&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/GE-35884-F15T8-Fluorescent-Black/dp/B002CYXIEM/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1339091623&sr=1-1)
http://www.quincaillerie-discount.fr/volants-36/tube-fluorescent-actinique-f15t8-bl-388.html (http://www.quincaillerie-discount.fr/volants-36/tube-fluorescent-actinique-f15t8-bl-388.html)


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on September 17, 2012, 06:36:08 AM
A ...glad to see it IS BL :)

Those old Japanese tubes seem to last forever.....IIRC the one in my Meteor was the original tube too and still worked.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 17, 2012, 11:53:20 AM
Days are becoming longer and longer don't you think? ::) :oops:
Anyway here's what's inside my Taito SI behind the moon:
(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/~chrischris/arcade/my_spaceinvaders/L1190815_web.jpg)

…and for the record this is the reply from Giddygoon who also owns one
Quote
mine is a regular neon, which is 17watt neon tube... I think the black light is for both American versions midway versions...

Thanks, i will check it out!

I did some research on the tube topic and also did some tries. There seems to be bl and bl. The difference is in the spectrum and in the coating. The tube you are using has a white coating and is emitting most of it's light in the 350 - 400 nm range. Peak probably a 368. This is a uva tube also used in fly catchers and solariums. The black blacklight I believe sends out in the same range but the different tube coating filters out/ blocks part of it.
I'm planning to make a study of it because I'm not happy with the results sofar..... 1 - the data per tube is not always complete nor correct. 2 - i used so far a normal tube, not nice because the background is to bright and stars and planets don't standout. Pro the "moon" landscape looks nice. I used a black blacklight, pro the planets and stars standout and the sky is looking a creapy kind of black.... Me like, but the moon is not visible at all. Then I used a tube from my wifes face solarium ( gezichtsbruiner in Dutch) which is as far as my research goes equal to the tube you are using. The results are ok but not great the moon is not yellow but depresing green and to dark, stars, planets and sky are ok but not great....... So I will need to experiment a little..... Keep you posted.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on September 17, 2012, 12:21:08 PM
Uh gezichtsbruner ? cool !

now your wife needs to play SI to get a tan  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Q*ris on September 17, 2012, 01:45:53 PM
Yes a black light white tube is the only way to go.
Did you make sure it's a 15Watt?

Did you try to put something, just for the test, between the moon and the too bright regular neon?
like a piece of thick white paper for instance?
Don't leave it there after the test of course.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on September 17, 2012, 03:29:53 PM
regular neon?


Neon ??  ;D


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Q*ris on September 17, 2012, 05:04:36 PM
what's the name of the game again?
neither yes, nor no, nor neon  ;D


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 17, 2012, 10:22:19 PM

- fix loose wires and groundstrap from the CRT.
- test CRT and chassis
- fix PCB
- clean button's
- restore landscape decall
- restore light fixture
- build everything back in
- repair, renew bottom plate
- make new backdoor
- build it together again  :P

So most of the work is done. The machine is clean, rust free, and WORKING  :) Well ..... It is working but not with the original pcb. The original pcb has some serious issues so I decided to put in a 60-1 pcb in it, which I configured to start with only space invaders. I added a temp. Jamma harnes.

I will try to repair the pcb on a later time, for the moment I dont have enough space on my workbench for a long term project.

For now I can play si so I'm happy. I wil post some pictures soon.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Robinholland on September 18, 2012, 07:27:57 AM
I use a tube for a fly catcher in my midway space invaders


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 22, 2012, 12:28:40 PM
Hi Guys,

Wrapping it up for now with some pictures. The machine is clean, still I'm a bit sad that the artwork is in bad shape. Still I don't want to replace it with a sticker. I has seen action.... so what  :spaceace:

here it comes. Inside before and after.





Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Superully on September 22, 2012, 12:30:47 PM
great job on cleaning that up - no more nastiness inside! :D


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 22, 2012, 12:33:02 PM
Littlebit from the outside. Front, back, type plate and the little sticker that I think says it is a Taito license.





Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 22, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
let's kick some alien butt  :spaceace:



Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on September 22, 2012, 01:01:07 PM
Yesssssssssssssssss !!!!!

Great !!!

I love the artwork on this version, the fake 3D Comtrol panel rocks....and it has joystick control :)


Excellent job !!!


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Q*ris on September 22, 2012, 01:36:31 PM
That's what I call deep cleaning, awesome job.
+1 for the fake 3D control panel here too!
Now blast some aliens, such a cool and addictive game, it never gets old. Really.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on September 22, 2012, 09:58:05 PM
I see a very rare Centipede next to the SI....... ;););)


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 23, 2012, 01:29:27 AM
I see a very rare Centipede next to the SI....... ;););)

Yep, Centipede is next, for now only powerbrick.... I hope.


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Belike on September 23, 2012, 08:57:46 AM
I have to agree with André and Chris, the 3D artwork looks awesome, especially the bezel. :D
Really nice job you did there. :spaceace:


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Level42 on September 23, 2012, 09:26:49 AM
I see a very rare Centipede next to the SI....... ;););)

Yep, Centipede is next, for now only powerbrick.... I hope.

Is it dead ? Well, contrary to the SI I can give you loads of advice to work on that :) Atari stuff is easy :)


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 23, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
I see a very rare Centipede next to the SI....... ;););)

Yep, Centipede is next, for now only powerbrick.... I hope.

Is it dead ? Well, contrary to the SI I can give you loads of advice to work on that :) Atari stuff is easy :)


Thanks for the support, I will keep you posted in my new thread:

http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3910.new#new (http://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3910.new#new)


Title: Re: Logi Tec Space Invader (salvation)
Post by: Laszo on September 23, 2012, 02:10:30 PM
The BL on the tube stands for black light.
It's a pic of my original 15 watt black light fluorescent tube with white glass (don't use the blue glass ones).
Even if I can always replace it with a modern one, I'll be sad when it will die

To Lazslo: it's apparently also sometimes used in devices that kill mosquitoes and other flying bugs.

I guess these are the "modern" equivalents, but double check with yours:
http://www.amazon.com/GE-35884-F15T8-Fluorescent-Black/dp/B002CYXIEM/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1339091623&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/GE-35884-F15T8-Fluorescent-Black/dp/B002CYXIEM/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1339091623&sr=1-1)
http://www.quincaillerie-discount.fr/volants-36/tube-fluorescent-actinique-f15t8-bl-388.html (http://www.quincaillerie-discount.fr/volants-36/tube-fluorescent-actinique-f15t8-bl-388.html)


I did some research on the subject and found this url

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_light)

It explains what is what in BL and BLB country. So the one we should use are insect zapper solarium type.

I LOVE WIKIPEDIA