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Title: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 14, 2011, 03:07:54 PM
Hi everyone,  I am coming to the conclusion of my Space Ace Scratch build project (will post what pics I have later).  I know where to get all the parts as far as art, and electronics and all, but my question is the Joystick.  What one should I get, as for as buttons go, my assumption is I can use any generic button right? :?


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: DarthNuno on April 14, 2011, 07:21:13 PM
Are you building the dedicated 'inverted' cabinet, or the Dragon's Lair Cabinet converted to SA, and so US or Euro model?

For the joystick, the original used for DL/SA Euro Atari cabinet is the common 'leaf' one used on most Atari cabinet for that era (Xevious for example)  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/xevious/xcpo5.jpg)

Pictures please  8)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 14, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
Hmmm  Can't really answer that but here is pic of where I am now.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_GXLUpi4ZgPI/Tac5iYqVQFI/AAAAAAAAAzw/BAGdrXwn58Q/s512/Progress_4132011.jpg)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 14, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
oh btw this is my first cabinet build...EVER... so take it easy on me  ;D


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on April 14, 2011, 08:46:58 PM
Looks good as far as i can judge your picture  ;)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 14, 2011, 08:53:00 PM
Thanks.. hope to have it completed in the next week or two


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: DarthNuno on April 14, 2011, 09:42:26 PM
Obviously you're going for a Dragon's Lair cabinet converted to SA  8)

Here's for information what a Space Ace 'inverted' dedicated cab looks like  :arrow:

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/euromeeting06/edl16.jpg)

Very good job so far. Do you plan to install a score board like the US model on your cab?



Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 14, 2011, 09:53:59 PM
Thanks.  I'm skipping that part.  The only parts I have to transfer are the Metal Swiss cheese control panel (already bondo'ed, need to fix it some more) and the plastic marque holder.  I did get the plastic piece for the control panel but its all spray painted and missing the Annunciater board, but wouldn't do me any good anyway without the game..Oh and I also go the coin door, doesn't work but hey it looks good.  I stripped it down and repainted it.  I may try to find a way to rig it so when you push the coin return it will act as if you put a coin in. 


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 14, 2011, 11:04:41 PM
Did some searching on Happ today.. this Joystick looks A LOT like the one you showed:
http://www.happ.com/joysticks/5060841125r.htm
however they label it as a Ms. Pacman/Galaga, would it still work?


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: Level42 on April 14, 2011, 11:38:16 PM
That's a micro-switch joystick, not a leaf...


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: polaris on April 15, 2011, 12:01:00 AM
That's a micro-switch joystick, not a leaf...

just a guess but i think if our friend is searching through happs site, it is possible we have a lot to teach him. ;)

Did some searching on Happ today.. this Joystick looks A LOT like the one you showed:
http://www.happ.com/joysticks/5060841125r.htm
however they label it as a Ms. Pacman/Galaga, would it still work?
it will work it will not be like the original machine in feel.
it is a micro switch joystick which will click when you move, the one pictured earlier is a leaf switch.
groovy game gear do a new leaf switch 4 way joystick, i think that could be the one for you. i wait for the purists/owners opinion on that


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 15, 2011, 02:32:13 PM
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just a guess but i think if our friend is searching through happs site, it is possible we have a lot to teach him
Yes,  I need a Jedi Master to teach me all the ways of the force (arcading) LOL



Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: Mickey_Moose on April 15, 2011, 04:38:55 PM
it will work it will not be like the original machine in feel.
it is a micro switch joystick which will click when you move, the one pictured earlier is a leaf switch.
groovy game gear do a new leaf switch 4 way joystick, i think that could be the one for you. i wait for the purists/owners opinion on that


I could be mistaken, but the DL/SA joystick is actually a 8 way - a 4 way will work just fine, but you will not be able to perform the angle moves (not that it really matters in the game anyways) - you also require the leaf push buttons for the correct feel there as well. ;)

There is also a height difference, you want the one with the longer shaft.

BTW - the cabinet looks good so far. :)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: Belike on April 15, 2011, 05:20:02 PM
This one from a generic TV Ideal cab looks very similar
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TagnT-qco-I/AAAAAAAACvc/wCxuNZhbdqg/s800/20110415155.jpg)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 15, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
ok I "Think" i found the correct one http://www.quarterarcade.com/Game.aspx/7639 (http://www.quarterarcade.com/Game.aspx/7639)

(http://www.quarterarcade.com/img/vol3/7639_0_fs.jpg)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: DarthNuno on April 15, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
Yes, that's the right one  8)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 15, 2011, 09:22:49 PM
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Yes, that's the right one
Awesome..now for the buttons.. would any of them do,  I mean is there a standard or can I just use the generics?


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: DarthNuno on April 15, 2011, 09:28:27 PM
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Yes, that's the right one
Awesome..now for the buttons.. would any of them do,  I mean is there a standard or can I just use the generics?

Yes, on the Atari cabinet, the fire buttons are generics ...

(http://www.dragonslairfans.com/spaceace/panfin10.jpg)

...except the player 1/2 buttons who are the usually named 'Atari Cone Buttons'  ;)
...but you can use generic one if you want to replicate the US panel  8)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 15, 2011, 09:39:48 PM
Cool I was thinking about this for the player buttons
(http://www.happ.com/images/50/589111l1ply_lrg.jpg)
And these for the fire buttons-Only in Red
(http://www.happ.com/images/50/53920016_lrg.jpg)
Also, I'm looking at Happ for the buttons, anyone know of a better place?  I am getting the joystick from quarter arcade, but as best as I can tell they do not sell the push buttons.


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: polaris on April 16, 2011, 03:52:03 AM
it will work it will not be like the original machine in feel.
it is a micro switch joystick which will click when you move, the one pictured earlier is a leaf switch.
groovy game gear do a new leaf switch 4 way joystick, i think that could be the one for you. i wait for the purists/owners opinion on that


I could be mistaken, but the DL/SA joystick is actually a 8 way - a 4 way will work just fine, but you will not be able to perform the angle moves (not that it really matters in the game anyways) - you also require the leaf push buttons for the correct feel there as well. ;)

There is also a height difference, you want the one with the longer shaft.

oops i thought it was 4 way, groovy game gear do an 8 way leaf too, but it looks like this has been solved with the wico anyway


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: polaris on April 16, 2011, 03:53:31 AM
Cool I was thinking about this for the player buttons
(http://www.happ.com/images/50/589111l1ply_lrg.jpg)
And these for the fire buttons-Only in Red
(http://www.happ.com/images/50/53920016_lrg.jpg)
Also, I'm looking at Happ for the buttons, anyone know of a better place?  I am getting the joystick from quarter arcade, but as best as I can tell they do not sell the push buttons.

where are you, it might help to know to advise you on who to buy from, there are many options


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 16, 2011, 05:30:04 AM
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where are you, it might help to know to advise you on who to buy from, there are many options
Hey in Atlanta Georgia, US here



Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: polaris on April 16, 2011, 12:50:23 PM
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where are you, it might help to know to advise you on who to buy from, there are many options
Hey in Atlanta Georgia, US here


ok, go to the buy sell trade forum on BYOAC and look for divemasters thread there, find his contact details, he may even have a website too since i last looked, he can get you anything of Happ but for a better price and most importantly, cheap shipping. this is the reason we dont buy direct from happ, theyre service isnt too good and their shipping is horrendous from what i read. you have many options for buttons in the US to be honest, lots of them are listed on the BYOAC site in the link

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/board,2.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/board,2.0.html)


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: Mickey_Moose on April 17, 2011, 02:21:47 AM
Also, I'm looking at Happ for the buttons, anyone know of a better place?  I am getting the joystick from quarter arcade, but as best as I can tell they do not sell the push buttons.


Quarter arcade does sell the 'correct' buttons for the game: http://www.quarterarcade.com/Game.aspx/4666

...and you will also need: http://www.quarterarcade.com/Game.aspx/9466

The microswitch buttons are technically wrong for a Dragon's Lair/Space Ace.

Twisted Quarter is another place to buy parts from...


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 18, 2011, 03:06:30 AM
Thanks guys, will contact everyone this week..


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 18, 2011, 07:49:56 PM
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go to the buy sell trade forum on BYOAC and look for divemasters thread there, find his contact details
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Sorry, no matches were found
Looks like he is no longer a member on the site


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: polaris on April 18, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
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go to the buy sell trade forum on BYOAC and look for divemasters thread there, find his contact details
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Sorry, no matches were found
Looks like he is no longer a member on the site


http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=47066.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=47066.0)

oops sorry divemaster127 is his forum name


Title: Re: Space Ace Scratch build
Post by: rmusick on April 19, 2011, 02:49:30 PM
Thanks,  Checking it now.