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Title: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on January 11, 2011, 06:59:55 PM
Im hoping to take deliver of my new Dragons Lair cab in the next week or two.
Its missing pcb,s etc but has original monitor.
i might MAME it untill i can source parts,what would you guys do?
many thx
Phil

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj5/forcefulfil/DL3.jpg)


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 11, 2011, 08:47:06 PM
I would "Daphne" it instead of mame  8), or do you want to play onther classics on that cab, and not DL ?


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on January 11, 2011, 09:30:48 PM
Daphne is what i meant not MAME sorry my mistake.
I thought it would be a reasonable thing to do rather than have it just sat there gathering dust.
untill i source some (hard to get parts)
thx phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on January 11, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
exactly,  that is the way to go if you dont have the original parts
if you find them you can always put that in


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: DarthNuno on January 11, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
Yes use Daphne, 100% accurate  ;) And it can emulate the Atari euro board, hurray  :)
Or you can mix the two worlds : using a computer to simulate the board but display the picture via a real laser disc player, hooked to your computer (I've done that for my Space Ace).
Believe me or not, but I've never seen an European Atari DL board for sale somewhere since many years... So Daphne may be your only way to go at the end.
You may use a Cinematronic board, but you would have to transform your euro DL to the US version, adding a score board (and so modify the cabinet itself  :oops:), use a different LD player... I wouldn't do that!


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: Alpha1 on January 14, 2011, 05:46:19 PM
I have a spare Atari euro DL/SA board. Has DL roms.



Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: DarthNuno on January 14, 2011, 05:47:54 PM
I have a spare Atari euro DL/SA board. Has DL roms.


Working? do you sell it? If yes, let me know  :P


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: Alpha1 on January 14, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
Maybe sure. What are they worth? It was working last time I tested!


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on January 15, 2011, 05:38:33 PM
Im hoping to take deliver of my new Dragons Lair cab in the next week or two.
Its missing pcb,s etc but has original monitor.
i might MAME it untill i can source parts,what would you guys do?
many thx
Phil

Hi Phil,
I would restore it using original hardware.
If the board is missing, you can contact Oll (see previous message in this thread) or this italian seller (http://myworld.ebay.com/alisupera/) through eBay. He should have some spare boards for sale.
For the laserdisc player, I would recommend using a LaserCon (http://wood1st.com/LaserCon/) conversion card and a european Pioneer PAL laserdisc player, such as a LD-V4300D for example.
Over at d-l-p.com (http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/tech/docs/edlschack.asp) we have modified ROM images that allow the use of Software Corner reprinted laserdiscs, which are hopefully laser rot free and will play like new in your machine. Just keep an eye out on eBay and I'm sure you'll be able to buy either disc and laserdisc player. You need a bit of patience but at the end I'm sure you'll be pleased.
Good luck,

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on January 16, 2011, 01:22:09 AM
Hi Matteo
I really appreciate the links,i will be looking for the original gear aswell.
many thx for your help.
 ;D
Phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on January 16, 2011, 12:15:22 PM
Hi Matteo
I really appreciate the links,i will be looking for the original gear aswell.
many thx for your help.
 ;D
Phil

In case someone needs some spare original Philips players, check out item 200563460392 on eBay.
Bye,

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 05, 2011, 12:36:01 PM
**UPDATE**
I have now sourced a Atari Dragons, lair P.C.B.,
a roll of Original Vinyl,and the Original L.D. player ;D
Im just missing the Pal laserdisk and then im good to start my resto thread!!
its took me a long time to get this far but im getting there,ive seen the art work at quarterarcade.com
so any leads on a disk would be great.
phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 05, 2011, 06:36:02 PM
**UPDATE**
I have now sourced a Atari Dragons, lair P.C.B.,
a roll of Original Vinyl,and the Original L.D. player ;D
Im just missing the Pal laserdisk and then im good to start my resto thread!!
its took me a long time to get this far but im getting there,ive seen the art work at quarterarcade.com
so any leads on a disk would be great.
phil

I recommend buying a repro Software Corner laserdisc and use the modified ROMs (http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/tech/docs/edlschack.asp) in your game. Here (http://cgi.ebay.com/DRAGONS-LAIR-LASERDISC-LASERDISK-LASER-DISC-/170673882650)'s an (expensive) example.

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 06, 2011, 08:48:07 PM
Thx Matteo ;D
The seller accepted my offer,so i now have a disk on its way soon  :wink:
my jigsaw is getting more complete!
many thx for your help
phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: MacDLSA on August 07, 2011, 12:25:04 AM
HMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm... may have been a VERY NICE deal this your, forcefulfil !!!
Teo, could this be a Software Corner "1st press" LaserDisc ?
I mean a Philips disc with the SC adhesive pasted above the original...
Dunno, but the surface of the disc......... MAH ?!!
:)
If "YES", then forcefulfil could be the owner of the only probably un-rotted Philips Dragon disc (if the seller tells the truth, the disc is unused !) ... :D
( I think we all hopin' it ! )


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 07, 2011, 11:15:51 AM
Teo, could this be a Software Corner "1st press" LaserDisc ?

I don't think so. I'm confident it is a genuine SC repro one.
Bye,

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: MacDLSA on August 07, 2011, 03:00:38 PM
@forcefulfil
When you have the disc, please TEST it !
Then tell us what's the frame number of the attract scene very first frame...




Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: MacDLSA on August 07, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Ok, it's a repro.
This is a Philips disc which was re-marked by the SoftwareCorner "chief", a german man whose name is...
Dirk !
:D
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VHyIxu5dBNM/Tj6Psq1rjeI/AAAAAAAACq0/BFTOddV4x3M/s720/LDG_exPhilips.jpg)


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 07, 2011, 05:20:46 PM
Ok, it's a repro.
This is a Philips disc which was re-marked by the SoftwareCorner "chief", a german man whose name is...
Dirk !
:D
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VHyIxu5dBNM/Tj6Psq1rjeI/AAAAAAAACq0/BFTOddV4x3M/s720/LDG_exPhilips.jpg)


Correct, as stated in this link (http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/tech/docs/edlschack.asp) a few messages ago.   ;)

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 13, 2011, 09:13:04 AM
Hey Guys,
This arrived this morning  ;D Brand new and un-opened just like the seller said.
Thx Matteo for the link  ;)

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj5/forcefulfil/dragonslair002.jpg)


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 13, 2011, 06:02:41 PM
Hey Guys,
This arrived this morning  ;D Brand new and un-opened just like the seller said.
Thx Matteo for the link  ;)

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj5/forcefulfil/dragonslair002.jpg)


Cool! Now let's see some action with that machine please, Daphne is waiting for you  ;)

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 16, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
Hi Guys,
I made a little progress today i put the ar2 and game pcb in the cab,tested voltages etc so i switched it on and got a "P"on the game pcb,which i thought was a "PASS"
i have yet to finish servicing the laser disk player,hence not yet fitted in the cab.
there are a few questions to ask really,firstly is the display on the monitor the correct one to show the game PCB has booted correctly?

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj5/forcefulfil/dragonslair005.jpg)

im also missing the video lead from the laser disk player to the game PCB (video),im sure i can make one of these.
Also i cannot easily workout were the laser disk player gets it power from?am i correct thinking it plugs into the power brick?
there is a spare slot on the brick although the plug on my laserdisk player is different.
its the VP 931/17 according to the label on the back 110v


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 16, 2011, 06:02:45 PM
Hi Guys,
I made a little progress today i put the ar2 and game pcb in the cab,tested voltages etc so i switched it on and got a "P"on the game pcb,which i thought was a "PASS"

That's "PASS", correct.

firstly is the display on the monitor the correct one to show the game PCB has booted correctly?

No, there is something wrong. The game without laserdisc player is supposed to stay on the "Dragon's Lair - Please StandBy" blue screen as shown in the first seconds of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqA9JFfZ5aE).
BTW, Bruno, when will we be able to embed Youtube videos in this forum?  ;)

Also i cannot easily workout were the laser disk player gets it power from?am i correct thinking it plugs into the power brick?
there is a spare slot on the brick although the plug on my laserdisk player is different.

Yes, there's a three pin connector on the Atari power block which delivers 115 V AC to supply the original laserdisc player.

its the VP 931/17 according to the label on the back 110v

Beware, the 22VP931/17 is a totally different player. It is NTSC only and has a custom parallel port to control it via computer. It was used in other games, such as Firefox, Freedom Fighter and Road Runner prototype.
Take a look here (http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/tech/ldguide/philips.asp).

Matteo



Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 16, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Thx Matteo for your technical help  ;D
Its a shame then about the laser disk player as it was sold to me as from a Dragons Lair Atari,being a noob i took there word. :oops:
Its also bad my pcb is not booting correctly,i need to investigate this a little further.
Any ideas on what may be causing this?
I will have a look over the game PCB tonight and see what i can find.
many thx
Phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 16, 2011, 10:58:25 PM
Item 380361653308 on eBay could work with a small interface, but looks like it's not working.

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 23, 2011, 12:34:06 AM
Thx Matteo for the link,
I won the L.D.P. and it has arrived,it has a power pcb fault,so im looking it over atm.
There are 2 transistors dead on it so ive still got to check the whole pcb over,may take a day ot two.
Ordered a cap kit for the Game P.C.B. too and it has 4 damaged ceramic disk capacitors.
Im struggling to trace these as there 1uf 50v +/-20%
Phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 23, 2011, 06:29:47 PM
Thx Matteo for the link,
I won the L.D.P. and it has arrived,it has a power pcb fault,so im looking it over atm.
There are 2 transistors dead on it so ive still got to check the whole pcb over,may take a day ot two.
Ordered a cap kit for the Game P.C.B. too and it has 4 damaged ceramic disk capacitors.
Im struggling to trace these as there 1uf 50v +/-20%
Phil

The power supply of those laserdisc players was a common point of failure. If the dead transistors are driving the turntable motor check if it is shorted or not before switching it back on, otherwise they will blow up immediately again. After years of running those motors used to develop worn out brushes that after a while broke down causing a short circuit.
About your game pcb, if you're talking about the disc orange capacitors that are all over the board, those are simply filter caps (0,1 micro F) and the board should work the same without them. They just filter inputs and Vcc on all integrated circuits. It is a good idea to repair the broken ones though.
Give a good check at all socketed ICs. Remove them from the sockets, give a good clean and make sure the sockets are good. I've had some pcbs in the past do strange things because of bad sockets. If necessary, replace them.
Good luck,

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 17, 2013, 08:35:09 PM
Hi Guys,
This sadly was shelved for some time,however i have put some serious time into getting one of the two pcb,s i have running!!
and the end result is good 
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj5/forcefulfil/002_zps83caa6e0.jpg) (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/forcefulfil/media/002_zps83caa6e0.jpg.html)

I have spent hours on this pcb,but now is running and ready for the Lasderdisk player :lol:

I have here a Pioneer LD-V4300D and a Software corner  disk,My next Question is can i use this player??
or can i adapt the cab to recieve it?
I have sourced the Original Player but still requires work,lots of work >:(

any help will be much appreciated,im almost there!!
thx
phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 18, 2013, 12:15:43 AM
Just had a good read throught the site,thx to Darth Nuno for his previous posts,and easy to read drawing building his. ;D
i have all parts here except the IC,now ordered from e-bay!
Also a big thx To Matteo for designing the "EURODL"
watch this spaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :twisted:
Phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 18, 2013, 11:46:57 AM
Good job so far. Good luck with the EuroDL, otherwise you can buy a LaserCon (http://wood1st.com/LaserCon/LDPC/index.htm) which is fully compatible with your LDP. Don't forget to double check the communication settings of the player in its service menu. They have to match EuroDL/LaserCon expectations.

Matteo

(http://wood1st.com/LaserCon/LDPC/LaserCon1.JPG)


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 18, 2013, 08:35:52 PM
LaserCon now En-route from USA!! 8)
Thx again Matteo   :wink:
i have hopefully read up now,and am thinking all i need to do now is burn the rom @U45 to handle the Software Corner disk on my D.L. pcb
then check/adjust the Bauderate on the player,then simply connect the cables & +5v wire and were off to rescue the princess??

WOOT!!
Phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 18, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
LaserCon now En-route from USA!! 8)
Thx again Matteo   :wink:
i have hopefully read up now,and am thinking all i need to do now is burn the rom @U45 to handle the Software Corner disk on my D.L. pcb
then check/adjust the Bauderate on the player,then simply connect the cables & +5v wire and were off to rescue the princess??

WOOT!!
Phil

Correct!
When you are about to hook up the +5 V supply wire, please triple check where you are hooking it up to. There is +12 V on the Euro DL pcb too and if you do the mistake of taking that as LaserCon supply you'll fry it.
Another one back from biting the dust soon hopefully, just in time for 30th anniversary  :spaceace:

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 25, 2014, 09:24:03 PM
Im almost there after all this time  :lol:
i have a working Pioneer LD-V300D player,a laser con card set up and fitted
have a software corner disk installed
a working pcb with Rev B roms fitted
the thing im stuck on is,is my next step just to burn U45 with a new file and thats it?,its been soo long i seem to be a tad rusty
or do i need to burn a full set of roms
link here to U45 rom files,again not 100" if its D1 or D2,presume d1 & d2 are simply dragons lair part 1 and part 2?

many thx
phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 25, 2014, 09:31:57 PM
Im almost there after all this time  :lol:
i have a working Pioneer LD-V300D player,a laser con card set up and fitted
have a software corner disk installed
a working pcb with Rev B roms fitted
the thing im stuck on is,is my next step just to burn U45 with a new file and thats it?,its been soo long i seem to be a tad rusty
or do i need to burn a full set of roms
link here
http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/tech/docs/edlschack.asp
 to U45 rom files,again not 100% if its D1 or D2,presume d1 & d2 are simply dragons lair part 1 and part 2?

many thx
phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on August 26, 2014, 09:39:34 PM
They are different revisions of the same program. I would recommend version D1 if you are a novice, D2 and Sidam are way more difficult to play.

Matteo


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on August 28, 2014, 12:10:11 AM
Thankyou Matteo
ill report back soon
phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: forcefulfil on December 23, 2014, 01:47:03 AM
Sadly this has been on hold yet again!
i have changed the LDp over to the correct baud rate etc,re burned the Rom but yet still dont get the convertion pcb to flash like it should to communicate with the LDP
Disk player boots the disk from power on and runs through the disk from start to finish,
but no pic on screen,just the blue screen  "PLEASE STANDBY" :evil:
i will not give up on this till its working
so i will prob start a tech post after xmas,im wondering what this could be?poss a pcb fault?pcb passes self tests with P displayed on the LED
thx
phil


Title: Re: Atari Dragons Lair
Post by: italiandoh on December 24, 2014, 03:21:01 PM
At this point it's better if you post pics of everything here, to show how you connected everything together. We need to make sure you have everything hooked up correctly. If yes, then there must be a board problem.
Please post pics here when you can.
And merry Xmas! :)

Matteo

(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs38/150/f/2008/354/6/2/Pac_Man_Family_Christmas_by_arcade_art.jpg)