Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => All the rest => Topic started by: jcp on December 04, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
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Hello everybody,
I'm just reading this topic thread (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=160390&page=5) :-[ : did you really have such an experience with David Adams ?
I know that Ully, for example, has preordered a few parts (Missile Command etc ...) : any feedback ?
jean-christophe.
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dave's stuff is fabulous, but his communication / management skills aren't. when you order from him, it either arrives instantly or it takes forever - that's what you need to know before ordering!
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David is one of the GREATEST guys in the hobby in my book.
Without him, no matter what I would have restored on my Star Wars cockpit, it would still look like shit because of the terrible T-molding (well what was left of it).
He made the replacement. And he's the only one. With the original Atari mold.
The yoke parts are brilliant as well.
No-one else will step into these insane adventure of making this stuff because you can NEVER make a dime profit on them.
Yes David is VERY busy with other stuff quite often. I think this is a thing we have to learn with and accept. I have little problem with it because I've gotten used to it.
If we loose a guy like David from the community, we will loose a lot !
And this comes from someone who was very critical the first time I learned about RAM controls.....and even so, David was always friendly in his communications to me...
All just MHO of course....
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If we loose a guy like David from the community, we will loose a lot !
i totally agree, dave has always been friendly and helpful to me as well. i just wanted to point out that it might take a while before you get your parts! that's it, enough said!
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Ok, thanks to all ;).
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This has escalated even more now: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=162144&page=25
I would never buy anything from Dave - he took $1400 of my money via Paypal a few years ago. I forgave him, although he still owes me a MH controller, and it was very hard to get my money back - It took 2 international calls to the USA!
But it appears he really owes people a lot of money, including selling things he doesn't have. Adding the money up it's way over $20,000 USD
I wouldn't send any money to this guy, however the decision ultimately is up to you.
Oliver
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I saw Oliver (Paypal refound me $125 too!).
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Unfortunately I'm also still waiting for a SW part which I paid for back in June. Of course there were several promises for delivery or refund and of course it never happened.
Dave may have golden hands with which he makes beautiful and unique stuff, but business wise he is very unreliable. A bit like a certain Stefan. :-[ :'(
And he can only blame himself for the fact that people are angry with him.
Edit: I just read through the KLOV thread and it is obvious that he is far worse than Stefan. He owes some people thousands of dollars for non-existing items, which makes him a crook. It is said to see that he has become a black, black sheep in the arcade scene. What a waste.
I sure hope that he get what he deserves, and I don't understand why anyone still can talk good about him. It's surprising to read that people still thank Dave when they get there stuff months after they ordered it and after numerous PM's, e-mails etc.
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... If we loose a guy like David from the community, we will loose a lot !
I'm sorry, but I totally disagree. David might have made some (very) unique stuff which we will not be able to get anywhere else, but man, he is ripping off a lot of people ..... for serious cash. If you read the KLOV topic, which I'm sure that you did, you can't keep defending this guy. What he does has nothing to do with a bad business attitude, it simply is criminal. People like David make me sick and I feel that if we would 'loose' him, the community would only gain. And this will happen.
Just my two cents.
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http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=172867&page=35
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An_RLk7EK5WtdFVhbnJBMDBCbzBoamlQZldvRTQwYXc&hl=en&authkey=CPDFuqsL#gid=0
What ever punishement Dave will get, he deserves it 100%.
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Wow, look at the amount of money he owns people! :o
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yeah, and the list is still far from complete!! It's a shame that this could happen.
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OMG!
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Ok, here is the complete part of the Ram Controls topic threads : :? (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78).
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The 'scam from RAM' is going into a new stage: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=176040
I wish Steph good luck, nail Dave's ash! :D
I noticed that I hardly don't see reactions of DLF'ers here or on other forums regarding the Ram Controls scams. I wonder why and I'm curious if there are DLF'ers who are owed by Dave.
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I noticed that I hardly don't see reactions of DLF'ers here or on other forums regarding the Ram Controls scams. I wonder why and I'm curious if there are DLF'ers who are owed by Dave.
i ordered one of his silkscreened missile command control panels which he was supposed to be doing - never happened! curious to find out what andre's thoughts are on the whole thing ... ;)
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Well....for starters, I've found that being strictly neutral is an excellent position for me in this hobby.
That doesn't mean I'm blind. Yes I've read all the horrible stories and I know what's going on.
Fact is that I haven't been in contact with Dave for months.
Another fact is that he has always kept his promises towards me. I sent him my SW cockpit "steps" and he delivered them back as promised. The parts I have from him are a full SW yoke repair kit and 2 sets of SW T-molding (man the value of that 2nd set is sky-rocketing I tell you !!! I'll sell it for 200 bucks ;))
I've helped David (on-line) to give him the right dimensions of the cockpit canopy plexi's.
The funny thing is that WAAAAAAAAYYYY back in time, I was one of his critics:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=64536.msg750718#msg750718
Please read again what I wrote there:
I am always willing to trust someone up-front. I probably need some parts for my SW yoke soon and would like to order in confidence with David, but reading all the messages everywhere, I would only order if he agrees to ship it first, and when it arrives I pay him. David, do you accept this, it could well establish back faith in you and your business.
That was 2007 folks.
David came through, sent me parts without me having to pay upfront. I even got stuff for free. I haven't ordered that much from him but he was always OK with me from that point. Maybe he tried to win me over to order more, I don't know.
In my e-mails to David, I suggested (I think the time BEFORE this time that everything went wrong) that he should have stayed of the forums but simply send everyone their stuff OR their money back. He agreed with me, but he repeated the same thing again (just like in 2007).
Anyway, all in all, he had given me enough trust to suggest to friends (CKONG, Luc) to order parts from him. Luc already had a bad experience with him through E-bay and didn't really trust it, but I said it would be OK. And indeed his stuff arrived without problems. However CKONG got only part of his money back from David.
Mostly, I am very sad about the whole situation, mostly for the people who sent money upfront. But also for us, the community, who will be missing the excellent products that Dave _COULD_ have made available.
Another suggestion I told him was letting someone else handle the sales. Another thin he agreed on, but it never worked out.
Now, I have lost all confidence in him, I will not suggest to friends to order from him (although HI took the gamble and got his stuff only about a month ago !!) Too much has happened and only one thing can put things back again: David should pay back everything he owes and/or deliver the goods.
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thx a lot for the open words, andré, i appreciate your input on this. i remember well that i started doubting dave back then, but you convinced me otherwise and everything worked out. personally, i always got my stuff - until now. fortunately for me, it's only a couple of euros, but i feel sad for all the other guys who lost thousands of dollars. i'm still hoping (but not believing) that everything will turn out fine ...
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Please ignore, misunderstanding....
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.... only one thing can put things back again: David should pay back everything he owes and/or deliver the goods.
.... i'm still hoping (but not believing) that everything will turn out fine ...
Whatever happens, I think that Dave will be out of business, even if all people will get what they are owed. I mean, if a known thief steals your car, but he gives it back under pressure of others and authorities, then he will still get his deserved punishment. I think that this would be an ideal scenario in Dave's cae, but I don't think that people will be compensated, however fortunately the second part (punishment) will remain.
but it's a shame that it came to this, he did made great parts. At least, he made us believe that. But another thread on KLOV tells a story about reproductions which were made on his order in China. And of course he didn't pay for them.
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I'd like to read about that China stuff, where was that posted ?
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http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=175910