Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: Etienne MacGyver on October 31, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
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After Fase 1 (fix technically) (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2054.0) wich is not totally finished, i decided to start with fase 2
The board from ebay is on its way, i hope this is working, and if not, i have full confidence in Robinholland that at least one of the boards will be fixed so i will have a working board in the end. ill update that section when the board arrives.
Lets invetsigate the CP..
A big piece broke off and is not here anymore..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/1.jpg)
Big damage on the right side also..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/2.jpg)
It also looks like the joystick is not comming back good to "neutral" position, it stays a little to the right :-\
I will take it apart and see if it is bend in some way , or that its just something else..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/3.jpg)
Bottom, still everything in place.. ahh, leafswitches, wonderfull!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/4.jpg)
A nice place to work on it, hinges perfect , no rust !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/5.jpg)
The tools for today.. ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/6.jpg)
Electric parts removed..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/7.jpg)
Time to unscrew the plexi from the wood..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/8.jpg)
Broken pieces of plexi CPO :'(
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/9.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/10.jpg)
After taking off the CPO..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/11.jpg)
There is also a crack in the rubber seal from the joystick..
does anyone have a spare ???
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/12.jpg)
There is a lot of dirt under the CPO...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/13.jpg)
Already alot better after some cleaning :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/14.jpg)
hmm lets see what i can do with this..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/15.jpg)
Superglue ! that will do the trick ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/16.jpg)
you may think, "why he is fixing this if there are parts missing.."
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/17.jpg)
Thats because its "Scanner time" :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/18.jpg)
Scanning in action..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/19.jpg)
After stitching, ready to trace in Illustrator..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/20.jpg)
Bela was so kind to scan his CPO for me, but as you can see they are different...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/21.jpg)
Anyway, ill see what i will use for the reproduction,
Will make a dedicated topic for that later..
Later more to come 8)
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different in shape and colors, but the design is identical, isn't it! you should be able to reconstruct yours with the help of bela's scan, mister wizard :D!
anyway, good luck with the resto of your cab, resto threads have always been my favorite topics!
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Hey that wood looks like a Vanguard CP....guess they used a "standard" hole layout ?
Nice work, Crazy Kong finally deserves some restored artwork available ! After all, that's what we (mostly) all played in Europe (I know I did!)
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Yeah that is a Vanguard Cp! ;)
I'm wondering why are the 2 control panels have different colors?
Both of them look like original. ???
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Yeah that is a Vanguard Cp! ;)
I'm wondering why are the 2 control panels have different colors?
Both of them looks like original, ???
Hah, well how many versions of official (f.i. Atari) artwork are there, it's very common...
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I think its a "zaccaria" CP ;)
its just a standard they used i guess, and used this for all theyre cabs
they both look original, and the only difference i can discover is that mine is in a different cab than the one from belike who has got the "full size" zaccaria housing
I like the griders from bela's CPO more than mine wich are just orange.. but ingame they are also orange instead of purple, so i dont know yet what to do :-\
Also i see that bela's has 3 green stars while mine are all blue, i think i will stick with the blue
the instructioncard section will defenetly be the one like bela's, also i dont know what letter is missing "... VG" ???
also Bela's marquee has a different shape than mine, mine is just a plain piece of plexi while yours have a bend IIRC
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There is a letter "A" missing from the sign AVG. ;)
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do you aslo know what AVG stands for ?
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Ok, electronics before dissasemble:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/22.jpg)
Cables desolderd..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/23.jpg)
Lets take the joystick apart and see whats wrong with it that prevents it "return to neutral position"
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/24.jpg)
Aha !, that springs that you see there should be one piece, and not 3/4 and 1/4 piece, its broken, and now the tention isnt big enough to "push" it back to the neutral position.. got to fine me a replacement spring...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/25.jpg)
Also i think its already replaced before, since the manual is talking about a conic spring..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/spring.jpg)
Same story for the buttons... :'(
also there is only one spring intact...
That also explains the "sloppy" button feeling..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/26.jpg)
Time to go "Spring hunting" ;D
The rest of the button parts are now taking a nice jacuzzi, lets see if they will become a little more clean after a night in soap..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/27.jpg)
Later i will take a toothbrush for the residue of the dirt and we will see what happens..
Anybody a good tip for where to get some springs ?
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nice to see that it's only a matter of broken springs!
Anybody a goog tip for where to get some springs ?
i'd like to know that myself ....
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Im thinking some kind of auto workshop, or motorcycle workshop..
I remember back in the days i worked on my moped (Zundapp :spaceace:) and the clutch have simular springs..
(http://www.zundapp.com/data/dst/2654.jpg)
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I googled for 'springveren' , but I don't think that this is what you need ;D http://www.springveren.nl/
Looks fun though.
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LOL !
The correct term is "drukveer" by the way (in dutch ofcourse)
for 9,95 € they (http://www.worldoftools.nl/product_info.php?cPath=103&products_id=4043) sell this:
(http://www.worldoftools.nl/images/56380_SPRING-200.jpg)
A little too much springs, i just need a few :D
But i also remember a shop in my town, wich i will give a shot..
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do you aslo know what AVG stands for ?
As far as I know it means "Awesome Video Games", it is some kind of rating system.
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Looks like i need to order something at conrad to justify the shipping costs ;)
http://shop.conrad.nl/gereedschap/ijzerwaren-bevestigingsmateriaal/assortiment-kleine-onderdelen/ (http://shop.conrad.nl/gereedschap/ijzerwaren-bevestigingsmateriaal/assortiment-kleine-onderdelen/)
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Better, i remember Andre mentioned no shipping costs at RS online..
http://nl.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&Ne=4294922969&Nr=AND%28avl%3Anl%2CsearchDiscon_nl%3AN%29&N=4294963666+4294955810+4294921839&Ns=stockPolicy_nl%7C1%7C%7Cnew_nl%7C1&binCount=112&multiselectParam=4294963666 4294955810&selectSubRange=Springs: Compression#breadCrumb (http://nl.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&Ne=4294922969&Nr=AND%28avl%3Anl%2CsearchDiscon_nl%3AN%29&N=4294963666+4294955810+4294921839&Ns=stockPolicy_nl%7C1%7C%7Cnew_nl%7C1&binCount=112&multiselectParam=4294963666 4294955810&selectSubRange=Springs: Compression#breadCrumb)
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Conrad is insanely more expensive than RS. I never use Conrad anymore since I had ordered my 3 mains-switch boxes there and the delivery KEPT beeing postponed again and again and again...
RS is LIGHTNING fast and indeed no shipping costs as long as you order online. You do need a chamber of commerce number to register though....
That joystick spring actually looks much like a button spring. Maybe you can use one from a button, but I can imagine that a buttons spring is too weak for the joystick.
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Yes, the button spring is alot weaker
the joystick spring is 1,25 mm steel, and the button is 1 mm
the length of the spring for the joystick is 20mm and the button is 15 mm
the outer diameter of the joystick spring is 12,5 mm, and the inner is 10mm in diameter
for the buttons thats outer 15mm, and inner 13mm so that wont work
also i have 3 buttons, with only one spring intact and thatone is very rusty, so i think thats broken soon too
i want to replace all the springs ;)
anyway, i don't have a chamber of commerce number, can you order some for me if i don't find local resources ?
EDIT:
I found some springs ::)
installation pics will follow...
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I was in my customer today, and i found a old PC there.
I thought "hey, that button feels like it has a spring inside.. ;)"
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/28.jpg)
And i was correct !, there was :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/29.jpg)
After digging up 3 of the same pc's, i removed the springs and found that the pc switches also work without the spring.
They look simular to the original as far as i remember..
You guys are comming home with me! ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/30.jpg)
After i came home, i compared them with the original...
Identical in size, that should work !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/31.jpg)
Time to take the buttonparts out of the jacuzzi.
this is the residue of 2 days and nights in the tub :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/32.jpg)
After some "after cleaning" with a toothbrush and a sponge, they are ready for assembly again
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/33.jpg)
Dont forget to lube it up ! ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/34.jpg)
Lubricating the moving parts..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/35.jpg)
Lubrication ready, time to put them together..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/36.jpg)
Perfect, they feel super smooth again !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/37.jpg)
Oke, now for the joystick..
I went to the hardwarestore after work, and luckily they had some spring simular.
They where super expensive... NOT! hahah, 0,43 eurocents!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/38.jpg)
The measurements are just a bit off to the original..
the diameter of the wire is 1,5mm instead of 1,25mm
the outer diameter is 12mm instead of 12,5mm
the inner diameter is 9 mm instead of 10mm
and as you can see its way too long 8)
Lets fix that last problem...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/39.jpg)
Now i have a spare in case this breaks too someday ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/40.jpg)
After some bending and shaping the length is correct compared to the original..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/41.jpg)
hmm they look almost the same, lets try it out ..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/42.jpg)
After cleaning the joystick parts they are ready for assembly..
And again, don't forget lube ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/43.jpg)
Base complete, it moves like i expected!, nice and firm.
Also it returns perfect to "neutral position" wich was the problem to begin with..
With the nut in the bottom i can ajust the tention on the spring, for now i think this is ok.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/44.jpg)
After that i bended the leafswithes (where nessesary) to a good working condition and screw them in place
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/45.jpg)
Thats it for today, i will put it in the wooden panel when i painted that and got me some plexi
after i recreate the CPO i need to see if i just stick that on top of the plexi, or under, or even "sandwich" that between two layers of plexi
dont know yet what to do with that..
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nice job, etienne, that was a good demonstration of improvisation! those old computers are not just good for maming, but also for spare parts. well done!!! :spaceace:
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Hah, well done ! :D
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I doubt it is necessary to lube buttons etc. In fact I think it's a bad idea. I once got a control panel where someone did exactly this. With the result that dust and dirt got stuck to the parts and the buttons basically stopped working.
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I doubt it is necessary to lube buttons etc. In fact I think it's a bad idea. I once got a control panel where someone did exactly this. With the result that dust and dirt got stuck to the parts and the buttons basically stopped working.
that's what i've been thinking as well, but forgot to mention. normally the manual clearly states which parts to lube and which ones to better leave alone. and from what i can tell, you're using oil, right?
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I've never lubed buttons so far. Esp. the "well worn in" one's don't seem to need it. (I think they were never meant to be lubed). The newer one's sometimes feel like they could use a little, but that's probably because they haven't "worn in" enough yet.
I would surely not use oil. If anything, I'd use silicon spray.
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Its a special lube that i have from the time that i was working in copy machines.
Its on silicon base:
(http://pictures.content4us.com/283px/SERV%20SGT.JPG)
The tool looks like an oil dispenser, but thats just to work more precisely ;)
We used this to lube the synthetic bearings (not the ball bearings)
like this:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/glijlagers.jpg)
Youre right about attracking dirt, but there is enough space between the hole and the plunger, so i think it will be fine
and also its not in a public place so the dirt enviroment is less ;D
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Mmm, see silicones ! :)
The 2nd picture isn't working Etienne....
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fixed that , the b@stards dont permit linking :twisted:
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After Ronald Reagan posted the link to a zaccaria cab (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1647.msg25065#msg25065) on marktplaats:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/marktplaats.jpg)
I contacted the seller and asked him if there where still original parts in this cab.
I told him in the mail that i was not interrested in the complete cab, just some original parts if they existed..
The guy was very nice and told me that he did not think this cab is something for me, but if i wanted, i could come over to check it out.
So we made an appointment, and i went over there to take a look at the cab. 8)
I was hoping that there was the powersupply still inside and things like that.
Also i was reading in the manual and found out that there is a protective cover missing in my cab for the controlpanel.
its a plastic cover that protects the leafswitches; number 13 in the parts manual...
In Italian; "Scatola Protezione pacchi lamellari" ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/switchcover.jpg)
Anyway, the seller was right, it was not for me, no offence ofcourse to the seller, but as far as original parts it was totally empty.. as stated in the add he put on marktplaats.
i was hoping for a cover, or other usable original parts but there was nothing inside, even no coinmechs etc. ect.
only a "blank" coindoor was installed.
so a little dissapointed i returned to home, and on the way i was thinking, that my coindoor has a part that have a crack.. :-\
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/crackedcoindoor.jpg)
The coindoor from the marktplaats-guy did not have any parts inside, but this cover was still there.
a little damaged as far as i remember, but no cracks..
So a few days later i contacted the seller again and asked him if it was ok that i come again to compare the pieces to see if this was more nice than the piece with the crack that i have, and he was so kind to offer me to exchange this part if i find that his part was more nice than mine 8)
I will go there tomorow to check it out and compare them..
After that appointment i went to the machine to remove the coindoor and get the exchangeable parts out of the coindoor.
When i was removing the bolts that keep the door in place i dropped one into the bottem of the cab.. :oops:
as anal as i am, i want to have this bolts with the parts of the coindoor so i decided that it was time to enter in the monkey cage again.. ;D
i was trying to find the bolt that i dropped in the bottom of the cab, and in one moment i feel some piece of paper, some old coins , and something plastic.... ???
What a nice surprise !, under the powersupply area there was the CP cover that i saw in the manual! :twisted: :spaceace: :spaceace:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/46.jpg)
Very dirty from spending ages under in the monkey cage..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/47.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/48.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/49.jpg)
After i washed all the dust and dirt from the cover, it looks alot better..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/50.jpg)
I tried it on location, and i could still see the holes from the screws that was there :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/51.jpg)
After i returned with the coindoor i prepared it for restauration..
not really needed, because everything looks still very good after 30 years :)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/52.jpg)
After removing the electronic parts..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/53.jpg)
and here all the metal parts dissasembled..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/54.jpg)
Thanx to Bela :spaceace: (who scanned the scramble manual for me) i think i will be able to put everything back together again ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/coindoorexplodedview.jpg)
And here are the parts that i will bring tomorow, and see what i can work out with the marktplaats-guy
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/55.jpg)
Unfortunately one of the decals is cracked , but i did glue that already 8)
Thats it for now folks !
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and i thought i was being anal ;) you're on the right track, my friend! :P
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Unfortunately one of the decals is cracked , but i did glue that already 8)
Thats it for now folks !
Those coin door price inserts are the same ones that are used in Williams pinball machines, so not difficult to find, there are even repros with "free play" on them.
I think I still have a DM one here somewhere.
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We Dutchies want 1 guilder inserts ! :)
I've got a file for Atari one's, but now need them f.i. for my Berzerk...
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We Dutchies want 1 guilder inserts ! :)
I've got a file for Atari one's, but now need them f.i. for my Berzerk...
I may have some guilder ones too but they suck because, for some weird reason, they're opaque and don't let the light through. Not sure who had that great idea.
You can't really print these like the atari ones, they're screened straight onto the plexi.
Repros available are here (scroll down) - http://classicplayfields.com/store.html
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Since i needed the control panel to test the lately acquired PCB, i decided to create a temporary CPO
The final CPO will take some time because i need to vector that, let it print etc. etc.
First i found a piece of scrap plexi, big enough to cut out a CPO 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/56.jpg)
I did a query on some DIY fora for possible ways to cut plexi, and the advice was;
1. carve the line you like to cut and "break" it after that
2. saw it with a circular saw
3. melting with a wire
Since i dont have any equipment for option 3, i tried option 1
First i clamped a straight piece, and then i carved the plexi using it as a guide:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/57.jpg)
It dit not budge!, I jumped even on it, it would not break...
I dont know if it is because it is 5 mm plexi , or that i did not carved deep enough.
Anyway, that screems for option 2, lets bring in the powertools 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/58.jpg)
A clean cut :-*
I measured the cutted piece and it was long enough for 2 CPO's, so if i screw up with the holes, i have a spare 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/59.jpg)
Time for another powertool :)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/60.jpg)
Also here no trouble!, a perfect round hole..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/61.jpg)
The temporary cp with all the holes is the result..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/62.jpg)
Because i marked all the holes in this position, the holes are perfectly accurate..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/63.jpg)
After sanding the original bolts, the are ready for painting..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/64.jpg)
As you can see i am using the famouse pattented "darthnuno mushroom painting technic" ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/65.jpg)
After the spraypaint wich i did outside, i put them to dry in the shed (it started to rain so i was in time)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/66.jpg)
Ok, lets see, i got the original stuff, and a piece of plexi, whats missing ?
Yes, a temporary print of the artwork, so i printed the scan from bela on 200 grams cardboard
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/67.jpg)
To make the holes, i used the old CPO as a guide, the bigones with a scalpel, and the small holes with a drill
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/68.jpg)
after assembly of the parts i rewired the wireharness
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/69.jpg)
Assembly complete, including the bottomcover
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/70.jpg)
Not so bad for a temporary CPO if you ask me :)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/71.jpg)
Time for the coindoor resto...
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great job, etienne! i've never worked with plexi before but it seems there's no problem cutting and drilling it, right?
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You have great skills and useful tools for restorations! ;)
Absolutely nice job! ;D
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You do need to be careful drilling perpex. Too high speeds and it will start melting. In theory you should use a special drill, but a specially ground normal drill works good too:
http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/ACRYLIC_DRILLING_MACHINING.htm
With my SW cockpit perspex, I was both lazy and didn't want to screw up (pretty) expensive perspex so I let my Perspex dealer (http://www.stoutperspex.nl/) recreate the bends and the holes with their professional tools. Worth every penny.
Nice work though Etienne !!! Very creative !
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Thanx guys,
The cutting and drilling was no problem, exept for the smell ;)
Andre is right about the melting, but i did not "forced" the drill in, i let the drill do the job so there was not too much heat from the friction
also a saw with a lot of teeth is recomended, the more teeth in this case the more sharp the cut is
and also there , no force, let the saw do the work 8)
and the case here is that its a temporary CP, so there are also some scratches in the plexi , but they where already there since it was a scrap piece of plexi..
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Looking good Etienne. And I'm glad that you finally are able to play Crazy Kong. It's one of my favourites games, I played it last Saturday for a few hours, did set the (not too high) High Score. But then again, I really sucked at DK, didn't I André!
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Clean job Etienne :-* Congrats !!! :spaceace:
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Last Friday i visited Robert (the marktplaats guy) because i wanted to see wich of the coindoor covers was in the best condition.
I have a little crack in mine, and his was clean as far as i remembered, just a little damage, but no cracks.
After a close investigation i find out that unfortunately his cover was also cracked, and was in much worse condition than mine :-\
A big chip of chrome was missing next to the "coinslot" i guess there where many guilders that touched that part and "scraped" it off..
There was a big :spaceace: after all, his had a guilder instert !, so i exchanged my 5DM instert for his 1 guider one..
its a little different than my 1 guilder inserts, but i will put it in the middle position so it does not look strange.
The rest of the coindoor was stripped exept for some steel plate wich was assembled with original screws.
I missed some screws, and Robert was so kind to donate them to me :-* Thanks robert !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/72.jpg)
Then i figured, its a plastic chromated cover, so why not try to polish it ???
I started with the bottom, to test if it was possible using silverpolish..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/73.jpg)
Great results !, totally shiny again! its nice to have some silverpolish around the house 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/74.jpg)
I know you guys like before and after pics, so here they are..
Before:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/75.jpg)
After:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/76.jpg)
I glued the crack, and its drying as we speak..
im happy with the result, still there are scratches in it , but hey, what you expect from 30 years of duty ;)
Time to give that metalcolored coindoor also a go with silverpolish...
But not today, my finger still hurts from this polish job...
maybe i will look for a machine that does the rest of the polishing job :D
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Look what I found in my bits & pieces. Yours if you want it.
(http://img.skitch.com/20101116-mc5m3swhb1s5rtemtxekiqr5pn.jpg)
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Yes please !, kind of you to think about me !
Thankx!
this fits in an enveloppe i guess ?
Ill send you a PM with adress details.
do you have paypal, so i can transfer the postage to you ?
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before and after pics are my favorite! that thing is shiny like hell now :twisted:
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You are doing a great job, that crazy kong is going to shine again. :D
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After the pain in my hand "healed", i thought it was time to do the next step by machine.
Luckily there was a offer in my local Aldi for a "dremel clone" :D
I went to the store and bought myself a nice gift..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/77.jpg)
Unpacking and inspecting time 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/78.jpg)
The extention makes it easyer to work precisely
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/79.jpg)
I installed a brass brush, because there is alot of oxidation on the "coin return button" (how you call that in arcade terms ?)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/80.jpg)
Carefully i polished the oxidation away..
You maybe ask yourself; Why he dont remove that from the door? , well simple, it did not came loose, and i did not want to damage the fromt by using pliers to hold it for the unscrewing of the nut in the other side..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/81.jpg)
Time to take care of the inside first..
Before polishing:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/82.jpg)
during polishing: (yes by hand ;))
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/83.jpg)
After polishing..
Looks like NOS to me :-*
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/84.jpg)
The front i did with a polish disk in the new machine.
there where some heavy scratches there, and also this side is "brushed stainless steel" so it will never shine like the inside..
Before polishing:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/85.jpg)
After polishing:
Not spectacular, but good enough for me
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/86.jpg)
Time for the next step.. put it back together again..
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Very nice. Euro stainless doors rule ! ;D ;D ;D
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nice polishing job again, etienne! makes me want to put on my sunglasses 8)
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Micro update;
I came home and i found something in the mail..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/mail.jpg)
What could that be ???
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/decal1.jpg)
Ah, its from liquidx who was so kind to donate me 1 decal for my coindoor!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/decal2.jpg)
Now i only have 1 with a crack, but at least i have 3 the same !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/decal3.jpg)
Thanx for donating this liquidx! its highly appriciated ! :spaceace:
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Back where it belongs ! :D
Damn it cost 6,61 Gulden to send that thing !!!!
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Damn it cost 6,61 Gulden to send that thing !!!!
Yeah colin already complained that they ripped him off :D
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Damn it cost 6,61 Gulden to send that thing !!!!
Yeah colin already complained that they ripped him off :D
I had weighed and measured it before checking their site which mentioned a different price but the woman at the post office wouldn't listen (or look it up) and I couldn't be bothered holding everyone up because of it, so she won by default (well, until the market opens up to competition in 2011 anyway :twisted: )
Glad it got there in one piece.
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I'm actually not too happy about the "open" market for mail at all.
Quality will go down the drain completely for sure.
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Lets see if i am capable of putting this thing back together ;)
The scan of the scramble manual that bela did was a great help, since they have the same coindoor and its the same as in my manual, but his scan was alot more cleaner than mine.
I printed it on A3 so thats clear enough 8)
Also i found a page with a nice step by step restauration of a zaccaria coindoor
http://www.zaccaria-pinball.com/how-to/coin-door.html (http://www.zaccaria-pinball.com/how-to/coin-door.html)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/87.jpg)
All the parts after washing and scrubbing with a "pannenspons" (dutch word, how to call that in engish ???)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/88.jpg)
Lets start with the assembly !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/89.jpg)
I know you like before and after shots, so here one of the "coinreturn spring"
Before:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/90.jpg)
And after sanding, and putting silicon grease to prevent future rusting:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/91.jpg)
Base Finished:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/92.jpg)
Almost done :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/93.jpg)
Now i need to install the parts that guide the coin to the switches, and the switches are not here, so i will pick them up soon.
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I picked up the coin switches and installed them back in the door.
Solderd the wires back in place and secured them with tie-wraps
After that i ajusted the coinmech a bit and checked it with guilders for proper working.
the guilders stuck every time before i took it apart, but they work again now.
Time to finish this baby ;)
I took the coindoor frame, and it looks pretty good.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/94.jpg)
Some minor damages, so for now a little cleaning and 1 coat of black spray paint will do fine.
eventually it will be powdercoated so one layer of paint is ok.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/95.jpg)
Ofcourse everybody knows that you cannot paint good without Etienne's pattented "superpainting hang-dry-System 9000" ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/96.jpg)
Whats left to do in the meantime while the paint is drying ? yes, the key part...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/97.jpg)
As you can see , lots of brass corosion and dirt, so its time to call "Mister Muscle" :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/98.jpg)
I am using an old toothbrush for the grooves...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/99.jpg)
And again for the "before and after shot" lovers... 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/100.jpg)
Now for the lockpart, i took it apart to polish that too...
A piece of masking tape prevents the pins from falling out..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/101.jpg)
Polishing done, now putting it back together again :-\
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/102.jpg)
Thank god, without loosing any pins and in working condition... :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/103.jpg)
The coindoor decal has "slides" that direct the coin to the coinmech.
ofcourse i cannot install them dirty !
before and after cleaning with some soap:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/104.jpg)
The coin lights where working, but one of them was a bit more dark, so i decided to change all 3 bulbs
(thanx gyruss, you paid for them when i bought your DK caps 8))
In the bottom the old bulbs, in the top the new bulbs..
The old where 6V, but my local supplier only had 6,3V.. i can live with that :)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/105.jpg)
A coindoor key without a keychain is not a coindoor key...
That is what Ully would say i think, so i printed this compilation in the size of a keychain that i had around..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/106.jpg)
Double print on Photo paper with inkjet
Ready for cutting..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/107.jpg)
Installed them in the keychain..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/108.jpg)
Coindoor complete !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/109.jpg)
Thats it for now, i played some rounds with a friend after i installed it in the cab, and now i need to see what my next step will be..
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A coindoor key without a keychain is not a coindoor key... That is what Ully would say i think
:D AGREED!!! every coindoor has to have its individual keychain - i love yours with that zaccaria logo at the bottom :-*
regarding the coindoor lock: now you are more anal than me :P but well done, that coindoor looks fantastic!!!
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Shine like new and your keychain rocks! ;D
You should start a business with those arcade keychains, you surely have one customer by now! ;)
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A coindoor key without a keychain is not a coindoor key... That is what Ully would say i think
:D AGREED!!! every coindoor has to have its individual keychain - i love yours with that zaccaria logo at the bottom :-*
regarding the coindoor lock: now you are more anal than me :P but well done, that coindoor looks fantastic!!!
Thanx, i thought why not take it all the way, i mean it was totally apart anyway :D
Shine like new and your keychain rocks! ;D
You should start a business with those arcade keychains, you surely have one customer by now! ;)
Well feel free to use it ofcourse
but this is nothing compared to what i made for you (and others who need it ofcourse), wich will be on his way to hungary soon ;)
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Those bulbs are available pretty cheap at www.flipperwinkel.nl
Just like the springs ! :D
Or ask Carl in Belgium (http://www.cedermangameparts.be).
He's less than 50km from your place Etienne so you could even pick up ;)
He's got LOADS of parts that are not listed on his site. But all the general "flipper" parts are there for sure. Very reasonable prices and shipping costs if sent per envelope from both suppliers mentioned.
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Contrats Etienne !!! Awesome coin door resto :o :spaceace:
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do you aslo know what AVG stands for ?
As far as I know it means "Awesome Video Games", it is some kind of rating system.
No sir, i just accidently found it out myself by browsing some flyers on the net...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/avg.jpg)
"AutomatenVertriebsGesellschaft"
i guess its like a official distributor ???
or something like the dutch "VAN"...
I can translate it a bit with my german, but thats very little, so we need a native german guy.....
ULLY !!!! whats the exact meaning ?
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"AutomatenVertriebsGesellschaft"
ULLY !!!! whats the exact meaning ?
"vertriebsgesellschaft" means distributing / marketing / sales company, in this case a firm responsible for selling the machines to arcades, pubs etc. probably something like a middleman between the manufacturer and the customer! hope that helps :-[
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Thanks alot!, nice to know .. 8)
So we can assume almost for sure if a zacc has the AVG Logo, that it was one for the german market.
Does the space pirate that you picked up has this ?
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Does the space pirate that you picked up has this ?
no idea, i dropped it off and that's it. i'll have to go over to the storage anyway today, so if i don't forget it, i'm going to check it out!
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Sweet restoration! I just read thru both threads and looked at all the pics and am amazed at the attention to detail you put in! 8)
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Thanks !
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And the time has come to put my fresh new created (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2271.0) CPO on the cabinet.
I picked up the CP at my mothers place, and took it apart.
I also bought a new spring for the joystick because the previous fix was making the movement to sturdy.
Now it plays alot more comfortable, its 100% beter than before, but it still is an uncomfortable stick, but at least its the original stick ;)
10 minutes and € 0,69 for the spring later, its time to remove the old temporary plexi and paper :
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/1.jpg)
A new panel deserves new bolts..
I have looked all over the world for M4 carriage bolts, and i could not find them, well at least not in the amount that i needed them, only in 500 Kg or more..
Then i got the tip from Andre to contact Luigi, and he still had some :spaceace:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/2.jpg)
Big Thanks for that Luigi !!!
But....
The head is bigger than the originals ???
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/3.jpg)
The square part is also a bit larger, but that is not a problem..
so i decided to keep those for the next project and use the old bolts again..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/4.jpg)
Temp CP removed..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/5.jpg)
Does anybody need a temp CP ? ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/6.jpg)
And there it is on the panel..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/7.jpg)
Looks very nice if you ask me.. :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/8.jpg)
I put it on top of the closet in the living room as decoration ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/9.jpg)
But ofcourse that was crossing the W.A.F. ;D ;D
So i took it for a ride and bring it back to the cabinet..
Don't forget your seatbelt ! :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/10.jpg)
And back in the cabinet...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/11.jpg)
Looks like i am ready for Eurocade ! :D
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that looks really really nice on the cabinet, etienne, BUT doesn't the panel itself also need a makeover? my "anal eyes" spot damages to the wood ... :P
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I can see only the last pic. ???
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@Ully: yes indeed, but i have trouble finding the brown and glossy finish in the paintshop..
i do however have another wooden piece, and perhaps that is abit better than this..
It also is the idea to transplant everything in my 2e zacc, because that T moulding is in better shape than this.
Ideas ideas ideas, the thing i miss is time :D
maybe one day in the future i will do that, but for now this is the best i can do.
@Bela:
hmm strange...
Anyone else having this problem ?
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Now it's ok and looks great, hope to play a few rounds on it at Eurocade. :D
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How you just need to find a cab with CK side art and transfer all the parts over ;)
Lovely job,
Paul.
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Thanks paul,
Yeah that would be the best, but remember, i am already working on the sidearts ;)
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2779.0 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2779.0)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/vectoring/sideart/wip/monkey/13.jpg)
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Hahaha, that's awesome!
Paul.
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(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2043/74621222.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/213/74621222.jpg/)
Looking good Etienne :spaceace: Love it :-*
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:) very nice indeed...
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Looking good, even with the "wrong" sidearts ... i would keep them as they actually are ;)
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Thanks
i will keep one cabinet with the original spacestation art, and the other will get the CK sidearts ;)
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That looks FANTASTIC! What a cool cool cabinet. Does the joystick have a ball?? I really want a Zaccaria Crazy Kong. OMG!
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That looks FANTASTIC! What a cool cool cabinet. Does the joystick have a ball?? I really want a Zaccaria Crazy Kong. OMG!
Check out the full upright. :D
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-povqN6F1Img/TfxfzFZAGjI/AAAAAAAAD2Q/EJZydZqzNVA/s800/Zaccaria%252520row1.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u6GTZWUEAaE/TfxfyHgtE6I/AAAAAAAAD2M/DzWU10vS9cY/s800/PAc%252520%252526%252520Paint%25252C%252520Crazy%252520Kong.jpg)
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That looks FANTASTIC! What a cool cool cabinet. Does the joystick have a ball?? I really want a Zaccaria Crazy Kong. OMG!
Nope, the joystick is in there because its Original, i do prefer another joystick for gameplay though.
but i this case, originality wins ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/24.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/25.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/7.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/newcp/11.jpg)
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That joystick looks painful!! :o :o :o
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That joystick looks painful!! :o :o :o
Damn they're terrible! I remember playing Super Cobra back in the early 80's with one of these joysticks, and I HATED it!!! Does nothing for playability, makes it a frustrating experience.
I have a Moon Shuttle cab which had a black version of this death spike, and I've whipped it out after getting all those old feelings again! Hehe! :D
Oh by the way, superb restoration! :)
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like i said, its in there for originality ;)
i does not only look painfull, it is painfull to play with it..
not only because it does not have a ball, but also because of the length, it forces you to play with your hand in a very uncomfortable position.
almost like holding a pencil, witch will give you cramps in your hand :twisted:
especially with the first spring that i used in there, it made the stick very sturdy.
the spring has been replaced now for a lighter version and i need to say that since it was changed, the usage is much more comfortable, but still far from perfect
its also too short to hold it in your fist, and because it does not have a ball, and if you play with it like a balltop joystick, that hurts like hell :D
Oh by the way, superb restoration! :)
Thanks man !
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IMHO this joystick was a way to prevent people from playing hours and hours after throwing in only one coin ;D
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..sorry for resume a old post: but this tread is like Highlander: everlasting!
It's a plaesure read it! ....all well documented Etienne!
I have 2 questions:
Painting Zacc Color:
@Ully: yes indeed, but i have trouble finding the brown and glossy finish in the paintshop..
i do however have another wooden piece, and perhaps that is abit better than this..
...I'll repaint the panel of my Zacc: one in brown (stars) one in blu (Vanguard)... (and one other in Astro Wars blu..problably)
...it will be a great help identify (by a color code) the Zaccaria color used for the front.. then will be easy to go directly to buy it in the colors shop..
Plexyglass (my curiosity):
it was laser cut I read... they have a sloping edge like genuine one, or the cut was just vertical?
...at last, Etienne:
for my last Zacc restore I'll do Astro Wars...but now it's lacks in original CPO (and Bezel too)...
Cause this cab will be the only one allowed me to enter home (into my little boy room probably) I'll put not the original CPO but (like Blanbek) a multi game pcb....so I need CPO for a joy and 3 button as well... I'm asking you if it's possible to have that wonderful black Astro Wars panel in 3 button version (created by Blanbek girlfriend's I have read !! Many compliments to her!! Great work!!)
Grazie (Many Thanks)
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If you have a matched code for the paint, that would be very cool, because i know that its a dificult color, and it has a high glossy finish over it.
i think they used varnish over the paint.
The plexi has a little slope but thats from cutting, not because i instructed them to do so, however i have received a sample of the same plexi's from Jochen (Bencao) (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?action=profile;u=1057), which did have the slope at the edge.
I also know he has more plexi work than me, and is selling this kind of plexi AFAIK. i can order the plexi's again, but it was more like a one time thing.
the files used for the CPO of blanbek can be found here:
Astrowars_Custom_CPO.pdf (http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/astrowars/Astrowars_Custom_CPO.pdf)
Astrowars_Custom_CPO_plexi.pdf (http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/astrowars/Astrowars_Custom_CPO_plexi.pdf)
I am doing a "reverse" printjob soon, if you want i can add one for you.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/plexipanel/astro2.jpg)
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I am doing a "reverse" printjob soon, if you want i can add one for you.
Yes I'd like... Soon I'll try to make a plexy CPO by myself, If the results will be poor I'll ask you "all the package".
...I'm waiting my friend give me a dxf file (I'm not able to produce this) of CPO to work the plexy... after this I'll told you Etienne.
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For plexi i need to point you to Bencao74 because it was just a one time plexi run i did.
The print i can do, i'll add it to the file for you.
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For plexi i need to point you to Bencao74 because it was just a one time plexi run i did.
The print i can do, i'll add it to the file for you.
Ok for plexi (I had read about that: another user ask to you the same...now I remeber your ans).
For the CPO:
can you make also a good reverse print (white on the the back as genuine is..) of Astro Wars Glass?
I'll try to looking near Milano, but if the results of same "printing shop" will not appropriate, I'll agree to your favour...
let me know within you accept this commission.
Regards