Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: baritonomarchetto on October 19, 2010, 09:45:35 PM
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Hi all,
even if a little off of the forum due to firewall issues (I am at work most of the time, and the firewall in my office stops my connection with dragonslairfans… damn!), I have some time now to show something I am proud to share with you… my new cabinets: Paperboy and Punch-Out!!
Images are not the best ever, but unfortunately I could store the machines only in a little room at my father’s place… at home I have no more free space :(
Paperboy: it’s in bad aesthetic conditions, but complete. No sidearts at all, there is wood damage at the bottom (not water damage, but “handling with no-care” damage), the bike controller is rusted but the CPO is in very good conditions. Some random image following:
(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6564/sam0552slim.jpg)
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5086/sam0553slim.jpg)
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7471/sam0554slim.jpg)
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4848/sam0560slim.jpg)
After a fast cleaning on the internal parts (especially on electric components, just to avoid shorts) I lit it up: the image was garbaged, but with the paperboy image correct and words ok… I tried to reset all the socketed ROMs and chips, but nothing changed.
I have a couple of boards (different boards: i saw on the net there are at least 2 different video boards, not sure if the CPU board is the same or not) and I plan to substitute the “broken” video board with the other one… anyone know if the CPU board is different between the 2 versions?
video board A, ROM detail: the installed one with garbaged image
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9642/sam0562slim.jpg)
Video board B, ROM detail: untested
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2541/sam0563slim.jpg)
Can you see the differencies? Board A has 11 ROMs in one row, board B has instead 11 + 4 ROMs disposed in 2 rows... this makes me wait for a confirmation on the compatibility of the CPU boards before swapping the video boards... :?
Punch-Out: this machine has only a piece of sideart on the left side, there’s only little wood damage, the control panel is not the original and the machine was hacked with a prejamma harness… I was lucky because there was still the original harness and game inside and in approx 5 hours I was able to lit it up… at first I had wrong colors and no speech (the audio was there, but I had not the digital voice)… but the game was working!!. Those where easy fixes anyhow: the image was wrong because connectors that give input signals where in the “inverted” position (“non inverted” is instead the right one) and the speech had gone because the left speaker had been disconnected with the new harness (did you know? The main music and effects are delivered from the PCB through one monitor to the right speaker, voices are delivered through the second monitor to the left speaker… original, isn’t it? In addition the volume control is separated so you can level up the voice maintaining music on the foreground… nice effect!). The upper monitor needs total recap (I really need the manual for this monitor…), but works.
Some random image:
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9873/sam0568slim.jpg)
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3457/sam0564slim.jpg)
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5647/sam0566slim.jpg)
(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9069/sam0567slim.jpg)
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/953/sam0559slim.jpg)
Anyone has a spare Punch-out!! CP? I will buy it NOW ;)
PS: is this site reliable? http://www.garagearcade.com/control_panels (http://www.garagearcade.com/control_panels)
I had some emailing with the guy and he looks ok and helpful
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wow, geat catches! how and where did you find those?
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Nice catch, congrats! ;D
If you want to sell the Punch Out's cp, I'm ready to buy it for a nice price ;)
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Yeah nice one's
that CP screams zaccaria :D
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that CP screams zaccaria :D
... and disco dancing!
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You are from Italy, aren't you? Must be great to find a Punch out, I love that game!
I guess the previous owner imported it from the USA?
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You are from Italy, aren't you? Must be great to find a Punch out, I love that game!
I guess the previous owner imported it from the USA?
Must be import.. it says 120V if the would export a cabinet to Europe from the factory it would be 220.
Great finde's how is the Paperboy monitor? Its a mid res monitor IIRC thoso are a pain in the ass to find!
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Great catch, congratulation :spaceace:
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wow, geat catches! how and where did you find those?
i found the machines very close to my house! There's a guy buying stuff from old warehouses and re-selling almost everithing he buy... luckily people here around are prepared to spend much money on MAMEcabs leaving this "old and bad shaped trash" to crazy guys like me ;)
Nice catch, congrats! ;D
If you want to sell the Punch Out's cp, I'm ready to buy it for a nice price ;)
You have a PM Bela. As i wrote, i wanted to use the CP on my "Punch-Out!!" waiting for an original CP, but it will be better at your home. I need some money to face the Punch Out CP cost so your offer is welcome.
You are from Italy, aren't you? Must be great to find a Punch out, I love that game!
I guess the previous owner imported it from the USA?
Yes, i am from Italy. Not sure if the machine is an import because it works from the factory with 230V (there is an additional Hantarex PSU clearly visible in one of the photoes, but it was used to juice the pre-jamma harness. Everithing else is original)
Must be import.. it says 120V if the would export a cabinet to Europe from the factory it would be 220.
Great finde's how is the Paperboy monitor? Its a mid res monitor IIRC thoso are a pain in the ass to find!
The monitor works, but i have some sinc problem (the image moves and it's very difficult to stop it moving from up to down or viceversa). It's possible that the problem comes from the PCb which is defective... Ah, anyone had any advice that there are at least a couple of different PCBs? Do you think i can swap the 14 ROMs from one PCB to the one with only 11 ROMs?
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if there's anything i can do regarding the paperboy, let me know. you might remember that i have one as well, but it's having some graphics issues. i'd need a replacement pcb as well ...
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if there's anything i can do regarding the paperboy, let me know. you might remember that i have one as well, but it's having some graphics issues. i'd need a replacement pcb as well ...
Thanks Ully. Consider that i have never played paperboy in a real arcade. After reading the love you placed in your resto i started play it on my mamecab and... I LIKE IT SO MUCH! When i saw it so close to me I couldn't resist and had to buy, you know... :)
Anyhow, could you show me an image of your PCB? Just to see if there are more than 2 versions and if the one maching is complete...
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After reading the love you placed in your resto i started play it on my mamecab and... I LIKE IT SO MUCH! When i saw it so close to me I couldn't resist and had to buy, you know... :)
thx! i can totally understand that you had to get it - especially because it was close to your place! good luck with your resto, i will - of course - follow it closely! btw, there's news on my joust 2 - more to follow soon! :)
Anyhow, could you show me an image of your PCB? Just to see if there are more than 2 versions and if the one maching is complete...
sure, no prob! here are two pics i already had on my computer. if you need more, i will pull out the cab and take some new shots!
here's the paperboy cpu :arrow:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1389/5100297934_2fc38736ef_b_d.jpg)
and here's the video board (on the right) next to the video board from championship sprint. my paperboy video baord was showing a ram problem, that's why i moved the roms over to the championship sprint board (which is still in the cab). the game was working at first, but - as i've said before - it has now developed some problems. haven't had the muse to look into it yet :P (i hate it when games break down, but that's unfortunately part of the hobby)
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1107/5100297626_cc4ed0cb66_b_d.jpg)
you said you have a couple of boards. once you have your game up and running, perhaps you could share some spare parts with me ...
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I cannot see the video board dude :D
For sure when my machine will be up and running we will share part to let our machines play :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
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I cannot see the video board dude :D
am i stupid or what? error has been corrected - sorry!
For sure when my machine will be up and running we will share part to let our machines play :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
thx, obviously i'm having some ram issues. your paperboy find made me pull out the machine and work on it again - THX! ;) 8)
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Some new image (and some new question, of course :lol:)
The control panel: the overlay is in very good conditions and after some cleaning here it is
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3930/sam0571slim.jpg)
There are 2 holes on the rightside: there where an ashtray >:(
The Handlebars are, instead, heavily rusted
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1467/sam0575slim.jpg)
I'm not a pro at this, so i will grit using sandpaper (120 grit) and i will spray on it some transparent paint... just to protect the bare metal
First question rises: are there (transparent) primers for metal? If yes, are they "mandatory" (i mean, is priming important like on wood?)
I have just grit the covers of the handlebars and the result is ok for me
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9655/sam0570slim.jpg)
Random image: the original grip
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7035/sam0572slim.jpg)
Then the last question: how do you remove this?
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4209/sam0574slim.jpg)
there's a cylindrical lock in it (they call it "roll pin" on the manual): should it be removed with a hammer? :o
PS: Bela, i had no time to see for shipping costs today, but i will start my search next monday ;)
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Yep, with a punch and a hammer
or with something like this in combination with a pin a little smaller than the hole:
(http://www.es-international.nl/TOOLS/auto%20en%20garage%20gereedschap/13907_N130.jpg)
then you can "push" the pin out
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Then the last question: how do you remove this?
see here (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=108697&highlight=paperboy) :D
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If it jams - force it.
If it brakes, it needed replacement anyway :D
If i have a problem, then i just look up, (over my Monitor is a poster with Murphy's Law) ;)
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Then the last question: how do you remove this?
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4209/sam0574slim.jpg)
there's a cylindrical lock in it (they call it "roll pin" on the manual): should it be removed with a hammer? :o
Try using an "allen" (in italian "Brugola"). There are various meausure. I'd like it on my bow.
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it won't break out. it is a simple security bolt which holds the pieces together. you need to hammer it out (and later back in again). trust me, i've been there ... :P
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Then the last question: how do you remove this?
see here (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=108697&highlight=paperboy) :D
The history repeated Ully :D
thanks dudes. What about the primer for metal? Would it suffice to use acrilic based spray paint?
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which metal pieces do you want to use the primer on?
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which metal pieces do you want to use the primer on?
After a good sanding (or some immersion in a derusting solution) I was thinking to spray a transparent layer on the handlebars... i dont like the "chrome" when sprayed, and the option of a new chromium plating (like you did) is a bit too expensive ATM :oops:
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hm, the problem with spraying the handlebar is that i'm not sure it is going to withstand the pressure of normal gameplay! have you tried finding a chroming company?
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acrylic paint sucks always... (IMHO)
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have you tried finding a chroming company?
No, i did not but it's going to be an option ;)
today i tested the second board: the game doesn't start, the screen is a white image, and nothing else happen. Switchin on the test mode, the game have self test and reports a ROM error at 6R... ok, i know how to face this... and the 6502 audio processor test fails... ok ok i will study the audio part in the future, let have the game mute-running before this ... BUT there's an odd thing: if i go on with the test, the "scrolling playfield" test shows a championship sprint track :shock: AAAAND the "motion object height" test shows the frames of a championship sprint machine...
Remebering that on the PCB there's written "paperboy video", i must suppose that this "system 2" was converted to championship sprint at some point. I am planning to put the paperboy ROMs on this video board (using the Paperboy CPU board)and see what appens.
Just a question: on my originally installed Video Board (the one with garbaged image) i have PROMs and not EPROMS ... can i use EPROMs if some reburning will be necessary? (answer to self: Yes, 27xxx EPROMs can be used in place of 23xxx PROMs)
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Wow, time passes fast!
Some update on this project: during some "swapping boards" test, i reached the point i had a garbaged image (the garbage was changing position, so i thought to a RAM problem); the machine could coin up, but the game was not playable. After almost 10 hours of testing, the Atari disco 25KHz monitor decided to die... >:(
Ok ok, no problem, i said to me: this is not the first monitor i fix... i can do it! I bought a new flyback (maybe the last one in the world for that bastard monitor... 35 dollars shipped), replaced the old one, replaced various sensible parts (caps, white resistors, poly caps close to the EAT, the HOT, etc). The monitor lit up again! ... for almost 20 minutes, then suddently dead again... everithing else i did was for nothing.
A couple of weeks ago, finally, i had the opportunity to install an Hitachi med res from a virtua cop 2 (those monitors are really rare): the monitor have burn in, but at least it works! It's now installed, even if it was not plug & play (different connectors, different pinouts, different working voltage (japanese 100V). I forgot to shot a pic, but the next week i will take it, i promise ;)
So, in the next weeks i hope i will have the time to work on my Paperboy (there are still big problems on the borad which now don't coin up anymore and shows fixed garbage, so probably i have not only RAM errors at this time)...
Stay tuned :)
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Ok, here t is the image of the new "block" in place (it's in the upper left side)
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4866/sam1037slim.jpg)
The "new" monitor in place
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/74/sam1040slim.jpg)
This morning I also had the time to make some test with the new burned ROMs, but the machine still has problems (of course)
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/566/sam1031u.jpg)
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5409/sam1032z.jpg)
(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/1830/sam1033slim.jpg)
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/849/sam1034slim.jpg)
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2898/sam1035slim.jpg)
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2354/sam1036slim.jpg)
There's garbage on screen and no sound, even if the ARII has been rebuilt
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8197/sam1043u.jpg)
I am not sure that the PCB problems are only RAM related (the "garbage" doesn't change position with time), anyhow having some new 6116 it's worth the try ;)