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General Chat => 'Business' Area : Buy/Sell/Trade => Topic started by: Maverick on December 24, 2009, 12:11:26 AM

Title: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 24, 2009, 12:11:26 AM
The actual quotation of the games now?

Is there any availabilty in Europe?

At which price?


Let me know maybe I've got a good news..

Mav
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Superully on December 24, 2009, 07:21:02 AM
i'd say 2000 - 2500 euros for a computer space and 800 - 1200 euros for a pong.

i'd be in for a PONG  :)
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 24, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
Restored or NOT restored

and about computer space the prices you gave are for the red, blue, yellow or green

As long as I know it differs much (yellow especially)

Let me know

Mav

Ps= I know, I know I keep you updated in case, don't worry ;)
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Superully on December 24, 2009, 09:35:46 AM
and about computer space the prices you gave are for the red, blue, yellow or green
as long as I know it differs much (yellow especially)

yepp, yellow is more expensive, i'd say around 3000 (and i have to be honest: they are even more beautiful than the others).  :-*

Restored or NOT restored

don't care, as long as it's an original PONG ;) of course, the cheaper, the better!
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: level42 on December 24, 2009, 07:00:13 PM
I give 100 for a Pong and 200 for a CS.



 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 25, 2009, 12:34:18 AM

don't care, as long as it's an original PONG ;) of course, the cheaper, the better!

This one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atari-Pong-Video-Arcade-Game-Early-Example-Syzygy-Board_W0QQitemZ230406713009QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a54f6eb1

Mav
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Superully on December 25, 2009, 08:22:54 AM
too expensive, especially when considerung the fact that the tv is missing!

just about 3 to 4 months ago there was an original pong for sale on ebay - in better condition and working - which went for around 1200 dollars. i ALMOST went for it, because i had been talking with the seller before and he gave me quite a good shipping quote, but in the end with all the fees included it was too expensive for my blood.  :(
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 25, 2009, 08:45:59 AM

i had been talking with the seller before and he gave me quite a good shipping quote, but in the end with all the fees included it was too expensive for my blood.  :(


I think basically that if we're talking about jamma cabs (or non rare cabs) prices are in range with normal monthly wages right here (~ 1,000/2,000 euros)

(newbie of course will have still problems because not aware of roadtrips and "loading" 100 kg games on the ladders, but anyway..),

when talking about dedicated cabs - particular cabs like computer space, pong forcely the only way to have them is to import from USA

with All the fees like crating, shipping and custom taxes that the legal operation involves


(things avoided here because most go personally to get the games around Europe and don't have to pay any customs because as stated by the EU law - no custom for goods moving inside Europe)


Import even just 1 cab from USA - as testified from Ully (or Super Ully for friends  ;))

cost go further X3 (3 times) the monthly wage of a normal person and the starting price


As long as I can check from what have been testified a game like pong or q bert costing 1000 euros

goes to cost 3,000 (1,000 for the game, 500 crating. 1000 shipping, 500 for 25% taxes(20 VAT + 5% custom)

Not to mention also the storage fees  - as testified by this pong requested at 1200 euros -  for 3-4 months waiting for the right occasion on Ebay and from a place in US where to pick up to the US ports (where games are sent after inside containers)

Not to mention the insurance (extra cost not calculated).. and no assurance that the game will arrive working

most of them arrive always to be revised (you may say no problem! we are all skilled technicians and able to restore games! Sure but even this must be calculated)


individually for most this costs are unreachable and xtremely expensive


and in my opionion something is still missing with all these costs to organize something serious..

one question (important to cut costs)


In case a container arrive - would you be ready to be at the port the day X to unload a container?

Did you do before?

In case the game arrive (apparently perfect outside) and when you bring it at home it doesn't work

What would you do and feel?

The fact to fix these *volatile* problems (fix a Mb ruined or disassembled some wire during the shipping)  compared to have these babies finally at home it is better

or not have them at all?


let me know your idea

Mav


* that's the reason why quater arcade doesn't ship his beautiful restored games - he doesn't want to have any responsability over the shipping for working issues that most of the times happen during transit and/or at arrival of the games
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 25, 2009, 09:17:33 AM
too expensive, especially when considerung the fact that the tv is missing!


This confirms my idea that to satisfy any  expectation

must be the collector himself that wants choose the cab he wants at the price he prefer, at the conditions he wants

and doens't care much for crating from anywhere in the USA for that specific rare item stored there (computer space, pong, quantum, Street Fighter 1 deluxe, time traveller, q bert, burger time, etc..)

if it is exactly what he wants (for conditions, offer, cost and liability) it goes for that.. no matter what

I was right on this track

Mav

Nobody wants that others choose for them
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Muerto on December 25, 2009, 09:42:08 AM
too expensive, especially when considerung the fact that the tv is missing!

just about 3 to 4 months ago there was an original pong for sale on ebay - in better condition and working - which went for around 1200 dollars. i ALMOST went for it, because i had been talking with the seller before and he gave me quite a good shipping quote, but in the end with all the fees included it was too expensive for my blood.  :(

im sure this is the one youre referring to:

(http://muerto.superfreehost.org/arc/pong.png)
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Superully on December 25, 2009, 10:11:36 AM
could have been it, can't remember for sure!
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Muerto on December 25, 2009, 10:35:37 AM
i´m sure it is, it´s the one one been listed in a long time on ebay...
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 25, 2009, 07:30:42 PM
i´m sure it is, it´s the one one been listed in a long time on ebay...


Try to be more exact: how many months?

It is important to calculate the storage fees

Mav
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Muerto on December 25, 2009, 07:49:49 PM
2 months...
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 25, 2009, 08:08:35 PM
2 months...

Sure,

but from 2 months ago

from how many months or years a pong cab like that was listed ?

I need to know the frequency with which a game like that comes out

especially as Ully wants


Mav

Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Muerto on December 25, 2009, 08:11:19 PM
ill say 1 to 2 times a year (ebay.us)
iirc there was one on ebay.us last year....
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: DarthNuno on December 25, 2009, 08:27:54 PM
Well, from my experience, the ebay market is clearly NOT the place for buying such specific cabinets, especially in Europe... or you must be very lucky! The best options in order to find these 'high-end' games like CS or PG are the collectors network, newsgroups or via forum messages between collectors. And, at the end... ebay US may be an option, but you must have a local contact over there who'll manage all the things for you (shipping, etc...), or ...you'll have to pay the high price  :-\
And during the negotiation ... be quick or be dead! In an ideal world, I would like to have a lot of pictures of a cabinet I'm looking to buy, with a lot of descriptions, blablabla... but during the time you spend to acquire these data (or trying to acquire I would say), someone else will come and buy the cabinet 'with no question'. Sometime you've to take some risks if you really need some rare games...
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 25, 2009, 10:00:18 PM
The best options in order to find these 'high-end' games like CS or PG are the collectors network, newsgroups or via forum messages between collectors.

I agree with you but the main problem as you stated bruno is that

during the time you spend to acquire these data (or trying to acquire I would say), someone else will come and buy the cabinet 'with no question'.

That's true, and in my opinion as experience (on other games - LD games) this is the main problem dealing with other collectors

I don't know if the price is higher on ebay, though..

it depends on the game and the financial moment on Ebay imho

Now on ebay.com you can grab a Dk in USA for less than $1000 in mint condition

4 years ago it was a dream

And, at the end... ebay US may be an option,

Yes, for many people I think for clearness it would be the best one because people as stated before prefer to choose on its own

the cab

the condition

and the price

instead of a locked choice (example a defender cab - on ebay you find 5 a week at the conditions and prices you want - from one warehouse they have 1 or 2 at higher prices of course)


but you must have a local contact over there who'll manage all the things for you (shipping, etc...), or ...you'll have to pay the high price  :-\

For that I can help but my warning is most on the fact that people are not used with it yet

and this makes me wonder..

MAv

Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: level42 on December 26, 2009, 12:20:26 AM
Mav, I've got a serious question: Could you please stop putting an extra return in every line you type ? It makes reading your posts much harder. Thanks !
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 27, 2009, 12:15:22 AM
Mav, I've got a serious question: Could you please stop putting an extra return in every line you type ? It makes reading your posts much harder. Thanks !

It makes easier for people with no english skill, in no english spoken, countries to be able to translate easily with altavista or babelfish what we say

and understand clearly what we are talking about

and - in case - to be able to join

Mav

Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 27, 2009, 12:17:27 AM
Back to topic,

so which is the real quotation in Europe,

who bought it? how much have spent for it?

Mav
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Alpha1 on December 29, 2009, 01:45:25 AM
Here's mine, Bruno has seen it. It was stored in a WH for the last 34 years and is mint.

(http://www.ultrax.org/alpha1/Pong.bmp)
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on December 29, 2009, 02:20:04 AM
Great Oliver!!

I knew I can count on friends when in need, in this case talking about real rare pieces  



That is a real piece of art  :o


My congrats as always

You are a real collector so I'm going to ask you as qualified collector (having or having had these games)

Which is your opinion of the question done:

I.e. Which is today the quotation of a pong or a computer space in Europe?



Thanks for the collaboration in advance

Mav

Ps= or if not available in Europe, in Usa + all the shipping costs + taxes+ custom duties to make it arrive right here


Thx
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Alpha1 on December 31, 2009, 12:59:15 PM
On top of your costs for buying a machine in the USA.

Crate the game = around $300
Ship the game airfreight = around $800
Ship the game seafreight = around $500
Taxes = between 10-25% of the value of the machine AND shipping cost.

Expensive.
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Alpha1 on December 31, 2009, 01:01:29 PM
I was lucky - my friend imported the Pong machine and then I bought it off him at a later date. Because of the condition of the machine I paid a LOT for it.

Serial number XX (or ZZ, can't remember)-007

Secret Agent Pong machine

Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Maverick on January 04, 2010, 07:31:47 PM
Hi oliver,

Thanks as always for the informations given

So basically if a "normal" game is about $500~1200

it must be added
300$ for crating
700$ for shipping * actual NAVL shipping quote to Italy is around 1450$

+ 20% Vat (= 400$ (1000$+300+700))

so $2400 for europe

$3100 for Italy

for a normal game..

and no assistance


Because of the condition of the machine I paid a LOT for it.



Around?

For a computer spce which is the cost here in Europe?  and USA?

Thanks

Mav
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: DarthNuno on January 04, 2010, 07:43:32 PM

For a computer spce which is the cost here in Europe?  and USA?


Unfortunately, there's not enough sale to determine a cost for such game, here in Europe (and likely in US too). A lucky man would be able to find one cheap (but the value of 'cheap' is not the same for all of us  :-\)... and an other would have to pay to big price... because he really want it fast  :-\
It's like everything : opportunity, luck, time ... having the information on the right time, having enough money at the right time, ...

So, you won't have a clear & unique  answer I'm afraid...
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Thwocker on December 26, 2014, 11:52:12 AM
Two Pongs on eBay at the moment... overpriced alas 
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Superully on December 26, 2014, 12:00:00 PM
two? i only know the one for 3500 bucks - totally overpriced and in bad condition!
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Thwocker on December 26, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Hm, can only find one now too. I saw two this week, must be X-Mas delirium ;)


$3700 water damaged Pong cab:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Arcade-Atari-Pong-Video-Game-/151522678632?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2347749768

$900 Completed auction, project cab:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Arcade-Atari-Pong-Video-Game-/281526669655?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418c4c1157&nma=true&si=7hKFSqzsz2%252BTXlucXlaNbfm7ZdI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

We should have gone for this $500 each Pong cab together:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Two-Original-Atari-Pong-Vintage-Arcade-Video-Games-amp-Board-Sets-/301369580695?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item462b06dc97&nma=true&si=7hKFSqzsz2%252BTXlucXlaNbfm7ZdI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Superully on December 26, 2014, 12:41:44 PM
Valentine  got those two!
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Thwocker on December 26, 2014, 01:18:18 PM
wow, nice one Valentin!!
Title: Re: Pong and computer space quotation
Post by: Thwocker on December 26, 2014, 03:47:07 PM
ah, here's another slightly overpriced one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Atari-Pong-Low-Serial-Number-/361163935330?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item54170c4e62