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General Chat => Technical Area => Topic started by: Belike on July 13, 2015, 01:11:59 PM
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I just tested my spare Star Wars pcb bought from Archer Mclean, looks like it has some issues.
You can start a game, hear the sounds, but the whole screen is oriented to the left and very dissorted.
My first thought was to ask, if somebody can repair it, but the double post + repair costs would be pretty high.
It would be great, if somebody can guide me what to check, maybe I can repair it myself. :)
If I wont succeed, it will be for sale.
Pic shows this:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wp9EfyHlD3w/VaObaVX5toI/AAAAAAAAJXc/-J2V8HlpeQY/s512-Ic42/WP_20150709_11_20_02_Pro.jpg)
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Step nr. 1: put game in test mode and run tests.
Step nr. 2: report results here.
;D
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Looks like another lesson has just started today.
I'm writing that down ;D
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I just tested my spare Star Wars pcb bought from Archer Mclean, looks like it has some issues.
You can start a game, hear the sounds, but the whole screen is oriented to the left and very dissorted.
My first thought was to ask, if somebody can repair it, but the double post + repair costs would be pretty high.
It would be great, if somebody can guide me what to check, maybe I can repair it myself. :)
If I wont succeed, it will be for sale.
Pic shows this:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wp9EfyHlD3w/VaObaVX5toI/AAAAAAAAJXc/-J2V8HlpeQY/s512-Ic42/WP_20150709_11_20_02_Pro.jpg)
So first you gonna F.... the board up an then you gonna sell it to us ;D just joking off course. Lets fix it by forum 👍
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;D ;D ;D
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Step nr. 1: put game in test mode and run tests.
Step nr. 2: report results here.
;D
;)
In test mode, there is a continous "beep" sound and some vectors on left side, vid here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed3WwY-H7lI&feature=youtu.be
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Mmmm, 16 high tone beeps means a lot is OK.....but you can't see a lot...do you have another board set that does work OK with that monitor ? so we can rule out the monitor at least ?
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The cab works fine with another pcb, I made a 2 hour test last weekend. ;)
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I created a 'similar' issue on a tempest board after switching from viewing the game on a scope to putting it back on with a 6100. Monitor. One of the 'centering' VR's on the board was turned to far one way that the monitor couldn't cope and the image folded over and was squashed to one side. I'd have a quick check of those to rule it out.
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Noob question alert! :D
What is VR and where is it located? :oops:
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VR stands for Voltage Regulator and that means.....pots. :)
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Bad terminology on my behalf, should have said potentiometer's. 'Variable Resistors' (VR) only have two legs, which have a changeable overall resistance, pots have three legs and the 'wiper' leg is what makes the resistance different between wiper and an outer leg.
Blue square blocks with cross adjusters in the photo below (my Tempest board). If yours are original they may be black and circular.
(http://www.ukvac.com/forum/uploads/1056/Tempest_Analog.jpg)
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Thanks for the inputs! :spaceace:
I tried to set the pots marked as "xctr" and "yctr" on the bottom right side (yellow and blue), but not too much changed, seems like the pic is not just on the left side, but it is dissorted also.Tried to set all the other pots then without any success. :(
This is the pcb:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p-TiHH5WDE4/Vaja3s9zt3I/AAAAAAAAJX4/WmwWIlnpg8E/s512-Ic42/WP_20150717_12_20_14_Pro__highres.jpg)
Pic shows this:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xBN6gEdZrk8/Vaja3gzIoFI/AAAAAAAAJX0/O-YsgvAW9ts/s512-Ic42/WP_20150717_12_17_48_Pro__highres.jpg)
Vid.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCZxb0A6-Pk&feature=youtu.be
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It doesn't look too legible at all. Since you have a spare, swap the AVG custom on the AVG board and eliminate that. Mine blew and I got similar symptoms. If that's not the cause, you'll need to be able to get a scope on the board to debug further.
Paul.
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Looks like either a bad AVG chip or one of the DACs has failed.
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Thanks for the inputs, I try to swap the avg custom first.
By the way, what is DAC? :oops:
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Digital Analog Converter ;)
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There will be two for each axis (x,y). They will be marked AM6012 or DAC312.
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Swapped the AVG custom, nothing changed. :-\
Try the DACS will be next step, thanks for the tip.
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Swapped the AVG custom, nothing changed. :-\
Try the DACS will be next step, thanks for the tip.
Also check you op-amps (TL082), touch to see if any are burning very hot. There are a number of these and they fail often. They are in the final stage by the DACs.
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....and you can still buy these here:
http://www.reichelt.nl/TL-082-DIP/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=446&ARTICLE=21560&artnr=TL+082+DIP&SEARCH=tl082
and also the TL081 (probably also on there ? Not sure, Asteroids does ;))
http://www.reichelt.nl/TL-081-DIP/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=446&ARTICLE=21559&artnr=TL+081+DIP&SEARCH=tl081
Ha, just was in the process of ordering some for my Asteroids PCB. They indeed get red-hot to the touch on my first board...but I fried them accidentally...I hope my DACs are still alive because these are a bit more expensive.
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I swapped the AVG pcb from a working set, it works fine with this, so the problem has to be in this pcb indeed.
Unfortunately the chips you mentioned to check are not socketed and I dont have/cant use a scope. :-\
Replace all of them would be a pita, so I rather leave to the experts.
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Save the board there. Once i have time to setup a star wars test desk i ll test one of my boardsets and i can give you a working one and you give me the faulty one. Sorry for my english. It s saturday morning.
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I've just finished building a test rig to fix the boards on my Star Wars - what a pain it was :-|
- Vector power brick + ARII (I was lucky in that I already had original AC side wiring to use).
- Board side DC & control wiring to twin edge connectors.
- JAMMA control box for the input switches (service, test, coin etc).
- Stereo speakers for the sound.
- Scope lead adaptors for the X-Y out.
- Z RGB out mixer & inverter for the scope.
- Dual track volume control knob
I'm still missing the analog input controls on the control box but it's good enough for now.
(http://www.paulswan.me/temp/StarWarsTestRig.jpg)
Paul.
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I have sw wiring, ar2, power btick and controls so i can do something similar :-)
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Nice!
Do i spot a gravis ultrapad in there ? ::)
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Hehe, yeah, that's the controls for my normal compact JAMMA rig underneath all that Star Wars stuff.
Paul.