Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: vernimark on March 16, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
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Hi guys,
I'm father of an Atari Space Duel made by F.lli Bertolino.
cabinet seems to be smaller than the original one; side arts are different.
I tought CP was dirty only but under the dust I can see colours have gone..
Label with model/sn is completely unreadable (that's a pity)
general conditions are good anyway.
Original PCB of course and the Hantarex Colour vector monitor (the second one I found).
I dunno when I'll have time to put my hands on it but just to know a new F.lli Bertolino has been found :P
If you have a Space Duel can you tell me the CP width please?
In case it's like the original I'll consider to replace it.
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cool find!
I have a complete control panel in my storage that you can modify to your needs :)
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Hi Marco,
very nice and rare...
Any chance on pictures of the Hantarex Color Monitor or even a Manual :-) ?
Best regards,
Andreas
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Glad you're getting it :spaceace: I told him to contact you as I knew you would want it!!
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Here are some photos of the Hantarex colour XY: http://www.andysarcade.de/data/picseries/vecmon_hantarex_color/overview.html (http://www.andysarcade.de/data/picseries/vecmon_hantarex_color/overview.html)
Those pictures seem to suggest two interesting things:
1) It uses the MTC-900 LOPT.
2) The neck & yoke look as if they run the same ITT CRT used in the MTC-900 chassis.
Paul.
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Nice find, I like that :)
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Hi paul, i took those pics years ago :P
it seems i found the only two known ;D
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Glad you're getting it :spaceace: I told him to contact you as I knew you would want it!!
Yep :P thank you!
It was a long time I wanted a new atari vector cab, although it is F.lli Bertolino... altough honestly I paid a bit more than its value.
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I'm glad you got it....
I'm sure you'll love it the way it deserve....
;)
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Here are some photos of the Hantarex colour XY: http://www.andysarcade.de/data/picseries/vecmon_hantarex_color/overview.html (http://www.andysarcade.de/data/picseries/vecmon_hantarex_color/overview.html)
LOL, that's Speleo_DE (Andreas)'s website :)
AWESOME find Marco, LOVE the Bertolinos :)
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I'm glad you got it....
I'm sure you'll love it the way it deserve....
;)
be sure of that and thank you for preparing the cab in time!
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I'm glad you got it....
I'm sure you'll love it the way it deserve....
;)
be sure of that and thank you for preparing the cab in time!
;)
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My CP has a width of 55cm (about 22 inches). Do you know the width of the international version?
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My CP has a width of 55cm (about 22 inches). Do you know the width of the international version?
I can measure our cab this evening :)
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The CP is definitely different so I had to scan and vectorize it.
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and this is the rare hantarex vector monitor
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Look Wells-Gardner, a proper heat-sink instead of cheap-ass mounting transistors to the frame !
:)
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;D
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So uhhmmmm, does this lovely machine work in any way ? :)
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Nope :(
PCB led is on, monitor spot killer is on for few seconds then fades but you can see a slight glow
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oops, shame on me, I forgot to measure the CP :(
Please remind me of such things in case I don't reply any more :-\
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Don t worry. It is completely different so i needn t any more original cp details. Thank you anyway
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Using a working pcb I can hear the yoke working so I m sure xy work.
spot killer is off but the screen is black.
considering WG similarity do you have any idwa about the problem?
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Turn up The brightness pot on the flyback to see If you get anything on the screen.
I have no idea further.....6100's are my enemy....I hope this one is really different in every way....this would very likely mean it is better ....
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Now i m going to bologna. I ve to wait next we. This tv uses the same flyback of raster hantatex. Hanyway first of all i ll recap it cleaning the board
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tadaaaaaa
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color vectors are soooo brilliant!
Great! :spaceace:
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Yesssssssssssssssss !!!!!
Did you have to fix anything ?
Would love some good quality pics of The chassis....
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awesome Marco :spaceace: :spaceace:
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actually I'm running in order to have this cab ready for the party...
I have other 2 space duel boards so I used one working...
about the monitor: I just cleaned and recapped it, and I changed the high voltage TO3 transistor too.
then I had to work a little bit on pots to have a bright image. Probably I'll regenerate the tube, I'm not sure.
I've been lucky although I think my other color hantarex monitor saved somewhere 10 years ago works so I had a spare ready :wink:
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actually I'm running in order to have this cab ready for the party...
I have other 2 space duel boards so I used one working...
about the monitor: I just cleaned and recapped it, and I changed the high voltage TO3 transistor too.
then I had to work a little bit on pots to have a bright image. Probably I'll regenerate the tube, I'm not sure.
I've been lucky although I think my other color hantarex monitor saved somewhere 10 years ago works so I had a spare ready :wink:
Awesome !!!
Does it really need rejuvenation ?? Doesn't look like it from the picture... do you have a good rejuvenator ?
Sounds like the Hantarex had a better design.......not a big surprise there ;)
Is there any online docs about the color vector from Hantarex ?
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Is it the same as this one Marco ?
http://www.andysarcade.de/data/picseries/vecmon_hantarex_color/overview.html
If so, Andreas can update the website, it's not a prototype and has been in production, your cab proves it :)
I really like the lay out of those boards. Nice clean organized design....
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I was quite sure it was not a proto. I found the 1st monitor in a warehouse with "TEMPEST" impressed on the tube...
so a F.lli Bertolino TEMPEST exists somewhere :o
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Here are some photos of the Hantarex colour XY: http://www.andysarcade.de/data/picseries/vecmon_hantarex_color/overview.html (http://www.andysarcade.de/data/picseries/vecmon_hantarex_color/overview.html)
Those pictures seem to suggest two interesting things:
1) It uses the MTC-900 LOPT.
2) The neck & yoke look as if they run the same ITT CRT used in the MTC-900 chassis.
Paul.
This is very interesting indeed.....if we can replicate the PCBs we can convert any 900 to vector......only problem is the yoke.....
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I was quite sure it was not a proto. I found the 1st monitor in a warehouse with "TEMPEST" impressed on the tube...
so a F.lli Bertolino TEMPEST exists somewhere :o
woohoo......cool.......!!!!!
Yes, a prototype probably also would look different, the PCBs have printing on them etc. anyway doesn't matter much, great you have it working :):)
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These kind of things are so cool about this hobby
I love reading about this very much :)
I was quite sure it was not a proto. I found the 1st monitor in a warehouse with "TEMPEST" impressed on the tube...
so a F.lli Bertolino TEMPEST exists somewhere :o
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Ah, no documents at all... some years ago I called Hantarex to have more info but they told me they didn't save any old document after the brand acquisition.
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We owe it to history to reverse engineer the board....make a schematic from the boards. Possible but tedious work.....anyone bored/unemployed ? ;);););)
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From the pictures of the HV it uses the 900 "brick" LOPT, that would also suggest it runs off the same 120V/240V split input that the 900 does? Is that right, Marco? Hopefully the manual will turn up one day.
If it uses the HiFocus CRT's, then it has the potential to be a very nice sharp picture indeed. Should be better than the Amp/WG standard focus CRT monitors.
Paul.
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Nope. Same voltages than WG.
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Interesting. I wonder how they're getting the 128vdc to be able to get HV using the 900 lopt.
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here some monitor pics
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working on the coin doors....
I think we don't need any comment, usual work :)
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I love shiny coindoors ! ;D :spaceace:
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Fast update abut the re painted front panel. 2 pics before and after.
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I made new monitor pics
http://www.vernimark.com/?p=5874
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel108.jpg)
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel113.jpg)
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel115.jpg)
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel116.jpg)
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testing the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNt9RkFjEVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHVLhWP_XHU
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Restoration complete!
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel125.jpg)
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel129.jpg)
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel128.jpg)
(http://www.vernimark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spaceduel132.jpg)
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Nice work Marco !
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Well done! :)