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Title: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on May 31, 2013, 06:51:24 PM
Original condition part one: at least one mous was here,,,
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on May 31, 2013, 06:52:50 PM
Part two: more than one mouse
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on May 31, 2013, 06:53:44 PM
...special tricks
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: PaulSwan on May 31, 2013, 08:41:45 PM
It's a bit rough that one :( Quite a bit of work to do on it.
Paul.
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Post by: Etienne MacGyver on May 31, 2013, 09:05:43 PM
Indeed, but it will clean up nice, i am sure

The special trick you mean the socket and plug ?  that is common on zaccs for the marquee lightin, al my zaccs (2x  :D) have sockets and plugs for the marguee ..

Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Laszo on May 31, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
The nice thing about a project like this is that the reward is great. You really are saving this machine. Have fun.
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on June 01, 2013, 02:16:56 AM
Indeed, but it will clean up nice, i am sure

The special trick you mean the socket and plug ?  that is common on zaccs for the marquee lightin, al my zaccs (2x  :D) have sockets and plugs for the marguee ..



Noooo I though it was a hack and I removed it! Now I have to recover the plug from my rubbish!!!!
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Belike on June 01, 2013, 08:07:58 AM
Wow, you will have a lot of work on this one, but you will have a nice and unique Zacc at the end. ;)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on June 01, 2013, 08:35:03 AM
Here some pics i found from my zacc to show you the sockets  8)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/zaccraiders/24.jpg)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/zaccraiders/slaughter/9.jpg)

(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/zaccraiders/slaughter/12.jpg)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Superully on June 01, 2013, 09:16:10 AM
marco, you seem to be on speed - one cabinet after the other and still going strong!!! keep up the great work
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Post by: vernimark on June 01, 2013, 08:55:55 PM
 Thank you for your comments... I want to go fast with this two cabs, I m worried about their hygienic conditions and on September I have to go in Iraq for my job and I don t want my widow can find them in the garage haha
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: level42 on June 01, 2013, 10:12:13 PM
Iraq ? Are you tired of life ?
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on June 02, 2013, 01:24:06 AM
It's a good project, I've to go...
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on June 02, 2013, 02:23:08 AM
...first cleaning operation...
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Post by: Belike on June 02, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
What a differenece! :spaceace:
Did you sand the wooden parts?
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Post by: level42 on June 02, 2013, 10:44:54 AM
It's a good project, I've to go...
...they'd have to pay me 10 times my current salary to go there...
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on June 03, 2013, 02:46:08 AM
Or to know this project can save ten salaries at least...

However probably I 've to skip suitcase I'm sorry... Or we can try a transcontinental webcast hehe


suitcase = eurocade corrected by mi kindle fire!!
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on June 06, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
cleaned and scraped
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: level42 on June 06, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
Or to know this project can save ten salaries at least...

However probably I 've to skip suitcase I'm sorry... Or we can try a transcontinental webcast hehe


suitcase = eurocade corrected by mi kindle fire!!

:(

I hear you can look up Bomjac over there at that time........
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on June 28, 2013, 05:20:07 PM
Bela sent me a couple of faulty ASTRO WARS boardsets....
Set A: working but a line on the screen, sound board not tested
Set B: not working, sound board not tested.

70% of my time was dedicated to rebuild the wiring :) but the I could make some tests.

1) EPROMS: one from Set A and 2 from Set B were faulty. I reburned them
2) Set A had a problem with a CPU socket
3) after cleaning all pins and sockets Set A was completely working, sound board included.

4) after EPROMS changes and one 2708 socket replaced I could see game working but with corrupted graphics
5) Changing graphic RAMs (3x2114) the game works properly
6) substituting a couple of capacitors was enough to have the second sound board working.

8) I/O work for both boards...

Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: PaulSwan on June 28, 2013, 06:36:20 PM
Nice!
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Post by: Belike on June 28, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Great job, thanks for the detailed report. :spaceace:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: piero.a on June 29, 2013, 12:17:23 AM
Hi Marco! If something goes wrong in Iraq can have your cab in heritance?  ;D
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on June 29, 2013, 11:52:00 PM
Hi Marco! If something goes wrong in Iraq can have your cab in heritance?  ;D

there is a long queue for that... :)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 29, 2013, 07:50:10 PM
Coin door...
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 29, 2013, 07:51:29 PM
after...
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 29, 2013, 07:57:48 PM
Coin box before and after...
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 29, 2013, 08:10:10 PM
power board...

Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 29, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
new wiring and "handmade" zac connectors

Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Belike on August 29, 2013, 08:56:03 PM
Freakin awesome result! :spaceace:
Do you have some spare from those handmade connectors? :D
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: scr33n on August 29, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Great job !!!  :-* :-* :spaceace: :spaceace:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 29, 2013, 10:08:03 PM
Great !, thats how a coindoor ahould be treated  ;)

Nice red sticker on the coindoor  :spaceace: :spaceace:

Does your cabinet have a fan over the powerboard ?  or is this cabinet operating without a fan and just uses passive cooling ?
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 30, 2013, 02:57:45 AM
Great !, thats how a coindoor ahould be treated  ;)

Nice red sticker on the coindoor  :spaceace: :spaceace:

Does your cabinet have a fan over the powerboard ?  or is this cabinet operating without a fan and just uses passive cooling ?


stickers come from Bela :)

no fan at all, only passive cooling. I don't have any experience with that kind of power supply; do you think I need fans?
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 30, 2013, 05:54:25 AM
The 5 volt part of my CK gets pretty warm, but the fan that is in my CK is interfering with the image on screen.
that fan makes the image whobbeling, and thats why i now have disconnected that fan.

i was curious if i could continue without fan, so thats why i was wondering if there was any fan at all in your cabinet.

I think it would be possible to run without fan, but i think i will install a simple old PC fan in my CK just to be sure.

(especcially because i don't want to cause a fire at EC2013, or have the game break down during EC2013  ;D)

Guess who made those stickers  ::) :lol:

https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3545.msg63527#msg63527
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Laszo on August 30, 2013, 09:04:19 AM
You do not need a fan. The headsink is enough.
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 30, 2013, 11:14:46 AM
Well, the heatsink was pretty hot IMHO, i could barely touch it after 20 minutes.

And that big ass fan that is in there is not there because its not needed i think..

It did still work after 1 hour though..

Look at the size of that B1t#  :o
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: level42 on August 30, 2013, 12:03:43 PM
But you can get your hands on some server rack fans Etienne. Those are mains powered, a bit stronger and still produce enough airflow. They also won't load the 12V circuit even more....
and I bet they run with less "wobble" on your screen compared to this monster which looks like it came from a fridge or something  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 30, 2013, 12:32:54 PM
Yeah, i think i can find something  ;)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 30, 2013, 05:17:45 PM
Freakin awesome result! :spaceace:
Do you have some spare from those handmade connectors? :D

Hi Bela, I left one pin strip into one of your PCB connectors.
You can use it and follow these steps:  ;D

Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 30, 2013, 05:26:49 PM
you need a pin strip of course; one solder, one cutter and this http://www.pattex.it/it/adesivi/adesivi-per-riparare/riparatutto-express.html
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: piero.a on August 30, 2013, 07:40:01 PM
Fantastic work! Really awesome!

I'm impressed about spray zinc, please let me know where to buy it  :)

Freakin awesome result! :spaceace:
Do you have some spare from those handmade connectors? :D

About connector I believe you need this: http://www.molex.com/catalog/web_catalog/pdfs/C.pdf

But Vernimark make an excellent handmade work
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on August 30, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
Love the MacGyver method on the connectors Marco !  :spaceace: :spaceace:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: PaulSwan on August 30, 2013, 10:14:48 PM
Re: Fan

I used to disconnect them but now I've started to replace them to preserve the electronics a bit longer. This page has the info on replacing the fan:

http://www.zzzaccaria.com/ZaxxonRestoration.htm

It's $10 well spent I think ;)

Paul.
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 31, 2013, 01:52:00 AM
Love the MacGyver method on the connectors Marco !  :spaceace: :spaceace:

Haha thank you :-P
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: PaulSwan on August 31, 2013, 04:14:46 AM
Re: Connectors
Heh, that works too. You can also use shrink tubing on the cable side to make sure if they get bent they'll not short out since there's no housing.

IIRC there's no fan fitted in Invaders and the Astro Wars style cabs. Phoenix/Quasar onwards had fans. One could infer given Quasar is a near identical electrical setup to Astro Wars that it may have been discovered that a fan was needed. I haven't retrofitted a fan back into cabs the never had them, however. The heat problem is not really the game PCB but the monitor - there is a large hot resistor right next to the flyback, and flybacks don't like heat too much...

Coming along nicely, great job! Is your cab missing anything Marco?

Paul.
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on August 31, 2013, 01:19:57 PM
Yes.
1 No cp at all, but i have a good scan and once my graphics designer come back from holidays i ll prepare a repro.
2 i ve a couple of mt90. One without neck board a d the other with a neck for a 14' and a friend of mine (here piero.a) is making a couple of repros...
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Belike on September 02, 2013, 07:56:10 AM
Nice solution for those connectors, thanks for sharing. ;)
Will have to repair the MTC 90 monitor in my Super Galaxians first, the reviring will follow then.
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: nilfisk on September 02, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
Hi,

I have a Astro Wars CP in (what I believe) pretty good condition, see photos below. I got it from a bulk deal many years ago, and I'd be happy to part with it for your resto. PM me if interested.

Bonus: I am also going to Italy next week (Lignano area) and could take it with me, if that helps.

Cheers,

Martin

(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/818/qvmb.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/qvmb.jpg/) (http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/856/1av9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/1av9.jpg/)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 05, 2013, 03:24:29 PM
Lignano is too far but be sure that CP must be MINE!!! hehe  :pac:  :ghost:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Belike on September 05, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
Great, seems like all the parts are present by now :D
Just a reminder, we started from here:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4572.0;attach=3976;image)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 05, 2013, 06:07:11 PM
probably my hardest restoration has been Battlezone...
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Post by: Laschek on September 06, 2013, 09:26:09 AM
I remember that empty BZ shell  ;)
You did an amazing job on that!
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Laszo on September 06, 2013, 09:28:08 AM
I love these resto stories..
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Luigi on September 06, 2013, 09:34:41 AM
Holy cow...how did you manage to get all the parts for that butchered BZ??  :o

Is the resto documented somewhere?
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 06, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
Holy cow...how did you manage to get all the parts for that butchered BZ??  :o

Is the resto documented somewhere?

In that perion I hadn't any forum subscription so I uploaded some pics on my website:
http://www.vernimark.com/arcade/default.asp?PageMode=3&PageMode2=3&GameID=112&tog=1&PictureID=1158#PictureID1158

I needed more or less one year just to find all parts all over the world and I spent really a lot of money.....

regards,
marco
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Wurstkopp on September 09, 2013, 01:24:10 PM
Totally awesome job on the BZ! Holy sh.., this is true dedication!
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 11, 2013, 04:30:52 AM
Thank you  :oops:

I'll continue my discussion on the thread I opened about MTC90 neck board because I think I have some news
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 25, 2013, 05:00:17 PM
damn  >:(  :'( ! last night I completed the resto but after several minutes a 2708 decided to die... I burned another one but now board doesn't take any credit.... ufff 40097BP are on the way... do you know any equivalent?
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: level42 on September 25, 2013, 06:52:12 PM
Get rid of 2708's and convert board to 2716's.
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 25, 2013, 07:11:05 PM
Here is new MTC 90 installed with "small chassis".
Boards and CRT have been cleaned.
Now I've a problem with Degaussing.
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Belike on September 25, 2013, 07:48:05 PM
Looks mint, hope to see it working soon. ;)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 25, 2013, 07:51:10 PM
I've to understand what happened to inpute before!! :)
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 30, 2013, 03:38:06 AM
Ok. Restoration is complete. Board has still Input problems...

Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 30, 2013, 03:40:32 AM
do you like it?
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 30, 2013, 04:18:12 AM
a short movie
http://youtu.be/X56rSuMUTmY
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on September 30, 2013, 06:44:03 AM
Love it !  wonderfull job  :spaceace: :spaceace:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Belike on September 30, 2013, 07:57:35 AM
Personally I love it, great job. ;)
Do you have any idea what is the problem with the pcb?
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on September 30, 2013, 11:45:33 AM
Actually no. Without schematics is very difficult to undderstand the problem. I ll try to backtrace inputs
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: vernimark on November 21, 2013, 06:55:45 AM
just to say my Astro Wars is now  in my gameroom fully working.  :pac:  :ghost:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Laszo on November 21, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
Love your resto, love this cab..... About the short movie, where you shooting from the top or did the machine really really kick your ass  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: Belike on November 21, 2013, 09:54:19 AM
Yeah. :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: anunaki on November 21, 2013, 11:59:55 AM
Lovely :spaceace:
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars... Opertion completed...
Post by: vernimark on November 21, 2013, 12:24:10 PM
Love your resto, love this cab..... About the short movie, where you shooting from the top or did the machine really really kick your ass  ;D ;D

 :P
Title: Re: Let start with Astro Wars...
Post by: level42 on November 21, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
a short movie
http://youtu.be/X56rSuMUTmY
Too short !