Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: Muerto on February 13, 2012, 07:29:48 PM
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/u4zvtlrbbz3cj94/Photo%2021-02-12%2021.17.59.gif)
Last weekend i picked up a Missile Command - on the famous "Duke of Lancaster"
I had only seen pictures of it, but when i got it home, and had some time to expect it closer, it seemed like a _very_ good deal.
I would like to apologies on forehand for the poor quality of the pictures, but my real camera is in Denmark...
Unloaded:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_0.jpg)
Inspection of the buttom.. in remarkable good condition, even the T-molding is unscratched!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_2.jpg)
The CP is not in good condition, so i hope they will do another run of those on KLOV...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_1.jpg)
Now, the sides is really good for such an old game, considering it have lived it´s hole live on a beached ship..
Left side, the best of the sides, only small dings on the edges and next to the CP.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_3.jpg)
Right side, light scratches, a few more dings, but nothing serious...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_4.jpg)
... More to come
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That looks pretty good indeed !
better that your handpainted MC ;D
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Wow, nice looking machine! One great thing about Atari side art is how durable it is, it typically cleans up quite nicely.
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wow, amazing condition, michael! now get this b**** working!
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When you see this beauty it is hard to believe it has been on a ship for all those years. It looks really really good!
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wow, amazing condition, michael! now get this b**** working!
Lol, wanted to write exactly these words, so +1. ;D
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i wish it was that easy, but i still need a few more things before it will play again....
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Oh, nearly forgot - theres an intact sticker on the back!!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_6.jpg)
A closer look at the front reveals a lot of dirt... and the bezel and marquee retainers are rusted....
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_5.jpg)
Removed CP, Bezel and Marquee....
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_7.jpg)
Bezel all dirty..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_8.jpg)
Bezell all clear, there´s some small scratches in it still, and some red rust mark after the.... rust... i think if i have had my Novus kit, it vould all been gone...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_9.jpg)
Now, the retainers turn, sand the old paint + rust down...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_12.jpg)
First coat of primer..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_13.jpg)
2nd coat of primer - yes, have placed them on top of a heater, because theres 1 degree at the warehouse atm = sloooooooow drying time..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_14.jpg)
After 3 coats of Mat Black, it´s time to put it all together...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_11.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_10.jpg)
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uh.... decided to "upgrade the cab a bit (paint wise)
Before
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_16.jpg)->(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/mcr_15.jpg)
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Looking good Michael!
This cab reminds me so much of a mini zacc shapewise..
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nice one, michael, if i'm not mistaken this is the first resto i've seen from you, isn't it?
btw, how does the trackball feel? is it even moving? my guess would be that it's completely rusted in and needs to be replaced ...
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Youre right ully - twice!
Heres the trackball assembly, not in "working" order, it moves barely, but if the game was working, it would not be playable ... don´t know what to do about that..... :roll: ;D
(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/jzhcq3834oahg3p/Photo%2006-02-2012%2010%2044%2021.jpg)
Yes Etienne, the shape is roughly the same as your beloved zacck´s, - and this one is in even better condition than the hand painted MC i got.. someone throw that pic on here please ;D ;D ;D
The screws that was used for the marquee and bezel retainers where quite rusted, and i damaged some of them screwing them out, anybody know where to get that exact model??
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/jzhcq3834oahg3p/Photo%2006-02-2012%2010%2044%2021.jpg)
Exactly how I thought it would be ! Only a small dent in the rollers because it has not been played that much but rusted as hell because of the salty sea-air.
That unit can easily be restored. Take is apart completely. There is an excellent drawing in the manual if you forget how to re-assemble it.
Order new rollers and bearings from Bob Roberts.
http://TheRealBobRoberts.net/parts.html#tbs
(You need the Atari TB kit (Rollers & bearings) 4" for $30)
His rollers are the only one's of stainless steel (so will never rust again ;)) AND he greases and breaks in the bearings so you don't have to do that.
(Do NOT remove the grease when your receive them !!! I love the smell ;))
So....everything is "plug & play" from Bob....
I can't really see on the picture but it looks like the ball itself isn't half bad and could be fine with just some cleaning. The frame looks like it will be fine again with some light sanding.
While ordering from Bob get some new carriage bolts for it too (with which it is mounted to the CP.
Also check the encoder wheel if it is not too rusted. If there's much rust in the holes it could interfere with the good working.
Also remove the connectors on the optic boards (the small pcb's) and check the pins for rust. DO BOTH and ALSO the connector that goes to the main harness. This way you check them all but will also "wipe off" some possible rust you hardly see.
Bob also has replacement encoder wheels (check for size though) and harnesses.
For the optic boards, you will have to wait until the game runs to see if they still work OK. Let me know if they don't.
It's a shame I don't have the MC cabaret anymore as I could have done a lot of testing on it for you ;)
If you want I can check / rebuild the TB and AR-II board though, both are the same on my Centi.
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Good start Michael, wondered how long it would be after the video ;D
My SI pt 2 is almost ready, another day or so, then its on to the SI
Also waiting for a 2nd run of panels from Troy but yours id a lot worse than mine.
Andy.
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Good start Michael, wondered how long it would be after the video ;D
My SI pt 2 is almost ready, another day or so, then its on to the SI
Also waiting for a 2nd run of panels from Troy but yours id a lot worse than mine.
Andy.
Hi and welcome here!
I hope it wont take too long, and maby it wasn't such a good idea to post a fake videopic, though it seemed like a fun idea back then :)
Now you see how things work here on DLF - so hurry, start a thread and share your resto with the rest of us :spaceace:
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Thanks, been here for a while but more than 2 forums is complicated
Hey the video was funny, it had a few people convinced for the short time until you told them
I see how things work and I also see no direct upload for pictures on threads, booo hisss :roll:
This means I have to upload my pics elsewhere and link :'(
Andy.
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When you place a reply there is "Additional options" under the box where you enter text.
Click that and you can attach files and pics.
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Thanks, been here for a while but more than 2 forums is complicated
Hey the video was funny, it had a few people convinced for the short time until you told them
I see how things work and I also see no direct upload for pictures on threads, booo hisss :roll:
This means I have to upload my pics elsewhere and link :'(
Andy.
Need some kind of arcadeforumcomparison website. You just post to that one site and it posts to all haha.
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Need some kind of arcadeforumcomparison website. You just post to that one site and it posts to all haha.
Thats actually not a bad idea ::)
kroustibat !!! where are you !!! (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3365.msg46030#msg46030);D ;D ;D ;D
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there's a repro panel for sale (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=222573) right now on KLOV, but it's damn expensive. bought it for 120, selling it for 250 - that's what i call a salesman! 8)
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Sand it and slap a CPO over it....done.
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Sand it and slap a CPO over it....done.
.... Not good enough, sorry...
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Totally agree, no overlays here either, ok for certain games but not MC (or Asteroids)
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funny thta half a year ago everyone would have slapped on an overlay - aren't we spoiled brats? :D
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funny thta half a year ago everyone would have slapped on an overlay - aren't we spoiled brats? :D
I wouldn't! - so speak for yourself you twit... ;D ;D ;D
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there's a repro panel for sale (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=222573) right now on KLOV, but it's damn expensive. bought it for 120, selling it for 250 - that's what i call a salesman! 8)
Ulli, you don't have two repro panel in fact (one for free!) ?
Maybe you can sell one to Muerto ?
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no, unfortunately i don't, otherwise i would have long offered it to michael. i got mine for free, so no need to buy one :P
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Ok, I thought that you decided to keep your first panel with the free one.
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Ok, I thought that you decided to keep your first panel with the free one.
nope, but i still have my panel with a fresh overlay, but michael is too spoiled to use that ;) :P 8)
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Is that the same Michael who used to do no restorations because he loves the authentic wear and tear so much ??
Gee Our robust viking has turnd into a tea-drinking upper class Brit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Is that the same Michael who used to do no restorations because he loves the authentic wear and tear so much ??
Gee Our robust viking has turnd into a tea-drinking upper class Brit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ahahahaha - thats one thing i never turn into! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Though, i still like the wear and tear on my machines, and im never going to be as anal as Ully (no offence) but in this case, the CP is really rusted, so a new or something better would be nice..
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im never going to be as anal as Ully (no offence)
none taken, michael, not at all! i know that i'm a top runner (along with etienne) for mr analness of the decade! 8)
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Finally, checked the PSU today... here´s the results:
Pins 1&2 = 10.3VDC MINE: 10.28VDC
Pins 4&6 = 25VAC MINE: 23.45 VAC
Pins 4&5 = 12.5VAC MINE 11.70 VAC
Pins 11&12 = 6.3VAC MINE: 6.12 VAC
Seems like you where right Andre, the ARII can fail....
So, maby a new ARII is in order.... (and the best thing, i have 4 from TNT in denmark :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:)
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Why don't people simply listen to me ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Transformers very rarely die. Only thing that could die on an Atari Power Brick is the diode bridge or the Big Blue. I have seen quite a couple of those Power Bricks now and all simply were still good :)
Rebuilding an AR-2 is a piece of cake and an excellent start to learn to work on electronics...... ;D
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I know, it´s not that complicated, but......
All my stuff is in DK, and it´s very hard to solder/de-solder with your 37 degrees breath only....
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I know, it´s not that complicated, but......
All my stuff is in DK, and it´s very hard to solder/de-solder with your 37 degrees breath only....
Time to macgyver Michael ! ;) ;D
(http://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/bottlebio/images/bottlebasics7_final.jpg)
(http://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/bottlebio/images/bottlebasics8_final.gif)
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LOL !!
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http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34013&title=misile-command-stuff
Go go go :)
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Monitor cleaned....
Before
(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/4cc7ob2e6e7zmsc/Photo%2017-02-2012%2014%2033%2040.jpg)
After
(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/e31vmefm0jxs5b4/Photo%2017-02-2012%2014%2034%2006.jpg)
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Im in contact with John from J+
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http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34013&title=misile-command-stuff
Go go go :)
But you said you didnt want a cpO ? And what are you going to do with a USB trackball ??
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I have a MC trackball (complete) but needs new bearings and rollers, if you decide you do not want a USB one ;D
Andy.
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I have a MC trackball (complete) but needs new bearings and rollers, if you decide you do not want a USB one ;D
Andy.
i will be also interested in the MC trackball unit, if muerto that would not have. 8) because i have a mc up in sight, but they are hacked and w/o the trackball. ully knows it...
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I have all the bits i need for rebuilding my trackball, so andy youre free to sell to TP :)
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Small update....
Working ARII - Ordered.
Working PCB - Ordered.
Track ball rebuilt kit - Ordered.
Stepdown converter - Ordered.
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Step down converter ? Why the hell do you need a step-down converter ??
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Step down converter ? Why the hell do you need a step-down converter ??
For the QQ...
Also, i would like to say thanks to all of you who have pm'ed me with links etc.
Its really a great help when restoring something, its great to have so many good friends!!!! No one mensioned, no one forgotten - you know who you are!!!! :spaceace: :spaceace:
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Oh, ahah, I thought for the MC.... I already wondered because it should have been correct voltage setting from the beginning when it was installed on "The Ship".... ;)
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Finally, the day arrived where i received the bits missing.....hmmmmm
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcr1.jpg)
Working ARII
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcr2.jpg)
Working PCB
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcr3.jpg)
Installed...
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcr4.jpg)
Working...
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcr5.jpg)
Some adjustments....... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcr6.jpg)
... what was Qbert´s favorite word again??!!!!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcr7.jpg)
Anyone have a pod like that i can buy, and solder on??
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What value pot is that ?
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H-FREQ
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I think Andre means what the resistance value in Ohm's of that particular pot is ...
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LOL !!! Yup. Something like 10k or 1k should indicated on the pot...
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Easy now mister hot shot! ;D
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/resistor.jpg)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/pot.jpg)
So 5K it is...
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how funny hey, that many times a 0,50 € part can totally f#ck things up ;D
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Thanks Etienne.
Is that on RS?
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no, it was just an example, but i guess they are also available there
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how funny hey, that many times a 0,50 € part can totally f#ck things up ;D
Just "ordered" 5 of those pots from Conrad, but apparently they ship to every country except UK!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!
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If I were you I would replace all the pots on that monitor. If this one is already that bad, the others cant be much better.
Look at the manual for all the pot values you need. Also be sure to order the correct shape and size....
Order at a local company like Mouser or Maplin.....
http://www.maplin.co.uk/components/resistors/potentiometers
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Foun conrad-uk.com, but they dont have that specifik pot that conrad.com has (the one Etienne found) aaaarh!
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again, it was just a refference !, i dont know if thisone physically fits in your board !
Better double check, i dont want to dissapoint you if you buy these and they dont fit..
or be creative like i adviced Ully: ;D
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3219.msg44254#msg44254 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3219.msg44254#msg44254)
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Finally found that pot you mentioned Etienne, but it´s to small...
(http://media.conrad.com/xl/4000_4999/4300/4300/4306/430676_SZ_00_FB.EPS.jpg)
Then i found these Andre pointed at:
(http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/jm69a.jpg)
But they wont work either, because the legs are in line, and i need the middle leg to be slightly in front of the to others:
(http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/2203i0.jpg)
See pic:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/resistor.jpg)
Or?? - maby i can bent the legs slightly??
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Received a little bit for the restoration today...
(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/u137wvvdd66s6yy/Photo%2004-03-2012%2021%2002%2044.jpg)
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Or?? - maby i can bent the legs slightly??
No need, just bend the middle leg to the left one and solder them together.
or cut the middle off and solder something that connects the middle pin to the other like i did with the pot in my CK Power supply.
See, only two wires:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase1/49.jpg)
they are interconnected through the circuit as you can see :
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These are way too expensive for that application, those are meant to be constantly adjustable (like a volume on a radio).
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Trackball assembly as new!!!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/tb1.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/tb2.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/tb3.jpg)
Man i hate the crappy camera in my iPhone!!!!!!!!!
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Looking good michael !
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nice job on the trackball, michael, it was really nasty!
Man i hate the crappy camera in my iPhone!!!!!!!!!
who don't you just get a better phone :P? the iphone is long outdated and totally overrated ...
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Pffffff I'm so sick and tired of Apple bashing....ooohhh, it's so bold if you dare to.,,, ohhhh you are SOOO cool if you bash Apple....YAWN...
Without Apple there was still no comfortable working smartphone, all the others are copy-cats PERIOD.
I still believe that a camera in a phone is a "nice to have emergency thing". If you want to make serious pictures you take a serious camera....."but but, i can not even phone with this camera"...sigh....
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Pffffff I'm so sick and tired of Apple bashing....ooohhh, it's so bold if you dare to.,,, ohhhh you are SOOO cool if you bash Apple....YAWN...
Without Apple there was still no comfortable working smartphone, all the others are copy-cats PERIOD.
i knew you would react on that :D. and of course that's not right, that's like saying without atari there would have been no videogames which isn't true either!
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If you really believe that Android would look like Android WITHOUT iOS you really are stupid.... but I give you the benefit of the doubt for simply being an Apple-hater and thus churn out stupidness for trying to "look cool"....
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If you really believe that Android would look like Android WITHOUT iOS you really are stupid.... but I give you the benefit of the doubt for simply being an Apple-hater and thus churn out stupidness for trying to "look cool"....
that doesn't sound very nice :-[
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Bashing Apple (fans) constantly isn't very nice either. It's not just you but it's so "popular" these days of people who "know better" to bash Apple for everything....most of these people never even touched an Apple device...
It is SOOOOOOOOO getting old and boring....
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.... and now, over to something completely different....
If you still wish to talk Apple, please do so in PM or Of topic!
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Agreed !
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Control Panel "done" :-\
This is what it looked like...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/cp1.jpg)
After some sanding...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/cp2.jpg)
And on the machine.... only painted the lower half black, and applied lacker on the top half... all the spots is "rust" in the metal, i cant sand it..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcr/cp3.jpg)
Maby ill pay the $250 for the new CP.... :'( :'( :'(
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uh, that ain't great news regarding the rust, looks like it's got in really really deep. i wonder how my tomahawk metal parts will come out after treatment!
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Sorry to say, but i think they will be like this - when i did the marquee and bezel brackets, they had the same "deep rust" but they turned out nice after 3 coats of primer and 3 coats of black!
Long story short, yours will turn out great! ;)
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you need some bondo to fill in the rusted dents i guess...
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it´s not dents, it´s the metal thats discolored...
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I've been fighting the rust bug on Missile Storm too from the Duke. I haven't had to strip the CPO (its a very thick stippled paint, no idea how to redo that), luckily there are only small blemished along the very edge. My trackballs looked as bad as yours, I'm looking to get the rollers re-made (not cheap) as they're unique to the Sidams. Keep going, you can do it :) One of the Missile Storms is running in attract mode now, pretty pleased about that.
Edit: actually what are the hole fixing measurements on that trackball? While the construction and parts are different, that looks like the same size and bolt pattern as the Sidam units.... I could probably save a lot of money fitting an Atari unit instead of remanufacturing Sidam parts.
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I can send you my old roller pinn's, so you can test with them??
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I've been fighting the rust bug on Missile Storm too from the Duke. I haven't had to strip the CPO (its a very thick stippled paint, no idea how to redo that), luckily there are only small blemished along the very edge. My trackballs looked as bad as yours, I'm looking to get the rollers re-made (not cheap) as they're unique to the Sidams. Keep going, you can do it :) One of the Missile Storms is running in attract mode now, pretty pleased about that.
Edit: actually what are the hole fixing measurements on that trackball? While the construction and parts are different, that looks like the same size and bolt pattern as the Sidam units.... I could probably save a lot of money fitting an Atari unit instead of remanufacturing Sidam parts.
Pix, pix pix !
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I can send you my old roller pinn's, so you can test with them??
What is the length of the thick roller part?
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Pix, pix pix !
http://www.system11.org/temp/Arcade/Cabs/Missile%20Storm/index.html (http://www.system11.org/temp/Arcade/Cabs/Missile%20Storm/index.html)
Various photos, some of dismantled parts, some of cleaned parts, some reassembled parts. Shame there's no picture of the monitors, they both had metal shields around the back of the tube which were incredibly rusty - the one on there now was rust proofed and primered after stripping the rust off. Actually everything is cleaned and reapired now, but I can't bolt the machine back together due to the weather outside..
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I can send you my old roller pinn's, so you can test with them??
What is the length of the thick roller part?
Im back i england on tuesday, so please be patient. :)
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(http://www.system11.org/temp/Arcade/Cabs/Missile%20Storm/missile_storms_right.jpg)
Holy freak.....look at that side art, MINT !!!!
Why why why don't I have loads of space ......else one of those beauties would have been mine. It would look totally fabulous next to my Asterock. Man, Sidam may have been bootleggers, but they sure know what they did ! Stylish and quality :spaceace:
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.....AND they thought about ergonomics ! Look, they have CP's that are tilted to the back just like my Asterock (although not as steep).
(http://www.system11.org/temp/Arcade/Cabs/Missile%20Storm/onboat/mstorm_composite.jpg)
I am positive this will make play more comfortable for this game too.
Any pics of the PCB ? Pretty sure they re-arranged it a bit like Asterock...
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I'll try to take some. One board works, other is dead. Hoping to take a look at the spare board tomorrow. Finished the coin doors today aside from bulbs which all snapped at soon as I looked at them - wires eaten away. One machine is going to *hopefully* be working but the next owner will need to do all the cleaning/etc, other machine is getting the full works. One of the G07s was necked before I got it, but I had a spare one from an Atari System 1 in the garage which may still work...
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I have an original missile command control panel available that is not in great shape, but its a million times better than what you have.. ? Just the metal panel with art, no buttons or trakball...
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I have an original missile command control panel available that is not in great shape, but its a million times better than what you have.. ? Just the metal panel with art, no buttons or trakball...
Do you have a piccy of it?...
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not yet, its in my storage place... i'll try to get one this week perhaps...
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I can send you my old roller pinn's, so you can test with them??
What is the length of the thick roller part?
Sorry for the late reply - completely forgot...
The length of the roller part is 86mm
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how about this?
http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/DSC_7231.JPG (http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/DSC_7231.JPG)
It has wiring and working cone buttons, just need a trakball to plug in and its ready to go...
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how about this?
http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/DSC_7231.JPG (http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/DSC_7231.JPG)
It has wiring and working cone buttons, just need a trakball to plug in and its ready to go...
no offence, but that one is indeed ready to go.. to the powdercoater and then to the screenprinter ;D
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Ah well, its not the best i know - it could be improved with masking and spraying, and is at least original. Different collectors want different things, but i do get the feeling on DLF that everyone wants things to look box-fresh :)
Oh, and if you have the phone number of a screenprinter i can just send it to to have the missile command artwork applied, i'm all ears :lol:
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hehe, yeah i know what you mean.
it could indeed come out very nice and original by masking and spraying, but we are too spoild overhere by some members that restore really hardcore..
I dont know if there is a vector file of the CP public available, but the guy who printed the alusticker runs for me can print on anything he says as long as it fits under his printer..
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2454.msg40690#msg40690 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2454.msg40690#msg40690)
I think the maximum thickness he was talking about was 20cm. so if you have the panel sprayed with white primer and print the art on that, it might come out very nice ..
or not :D