Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: Belike on February 10, 2011, 08:36:02 PM
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A friend of mine called me today, that he bought some pinballs and he took also 2 arcade machines.
I couldn't believe it 100% when he told me the titles, I'm starting to a 10 km. long roadtrip now.
Stay tuned!!! ;)
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Are you back yet ?? I'm want to know the titles !! ;D
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Yeah, you teaser ! ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D
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Super rare cabs; Pac man and a Jamma cab :)
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Wellllllll, if it's a Zaccaria "Pac" man..... :
(http://www.puckman.net/artwork/upright/zacc-puckman.jpg)
I know Belike will have to dance AGAIN !
(And this time lights on... ;) )
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Here we goooooooooooo ;D
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVRd6jvNcwI/AAAAAAAACMw/Pton8wmIeFY/s576/Defender%2C%20Dodgem%20005.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVRd7rgPHyI/AAAAAAAACM0/q3o2MD9qsiM/s576/Defender%2C%20Dodgem%20006.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVRfimpJj9I/AAAAAAAACNo/ec_4W7HuyH4/s800/Defender%2C%20Dodgem%20017.jpg)
Both cabinets have a built in Atari 2600, the Defender is working with an Asteroids cartridge, lol! ;D ;D ;D
The Dodgem has a monitor fault, but as I see for the first check all the pcbs are there in both cabinets.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVReGvxFQiI/AAAAAAAACNM/yNg-VC4Fai4/s576/Defender%2C%20Dodgem%20019.jpg)
I've got a bigger car since I took that Quasar (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1518.0), but still not big enough ;D
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVRe9lQfEjI/AAAAAAAACNg/Kqwf4-lsQuU/s800/Defender%2C%20Dodgem%20013.jpg)
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The guy also took these 2 old pins, I like that James Bond:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVRh0IuA_3I/AAAAAAAACN4/kYIf1_QJqRY/s800/Defender%2C%20Dodgem%20010.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVRd8Q1syKI/AAAAAAAACM8/8ZmP4Uhv7Eo/s576/Defender%2C%20Dodgem%20009.jpg)
If you can take a closer look at the Defender's cp it has an extra joystick on the right, but the cabinet is in great condition, sidearts are almost perfect, bezel and marquee are mint without any scratch.
The Dodgem's marquee unfortunately has a horizontal crack, otherwise it's also nice and it's a super rare Zaccaria! ;D
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Ooh, Skoda Octavia wins over Ford Focus here.... ;D
But I always have to put the cabs on their side because of the relative low entry....
GREAT CATCH by the way you lucky b..... :)
You must have pleased the arcade gods by rescuing some of those cabs from that "warehouse" a while ago.....
And two free 2600's to boot ! ;)
That joystick is hacked in pretty badly on that Defender, but nothing that can't be restored....
Dodge'm is really a classic for me, I remember playing it (or one of the other likewise games) in the late 70's....and another Zaccy for your collection !!!
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Congrats with your two new toys. Defender looks very nice!
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Nice catch indeed!
Regarding the DODGEM...:(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/sig/klov.png)
Very Rare - There are no known instances of this game owned by one of our members.
Maby some new pictures of the beast is in order?? :) :)
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Nice catch indeed!
Regarding the DODGEM...:(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/sig/klov.png)
Very Rare - There are no known instances of this game owned by one of our members.
Maby some new pictures of the beast is in order?? :) :)
There are no pics of the upright Space Pirate either....but submitting pictures is (or was?) pointless. I've uploaded a number but they were never published.
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wo-haaaaaa - what a catch! another zaccaria added to your collection along with the damn-freaking-hard-almost-impossible-to-play defender! just fabulous. have a look at those sizes: defender is a BEAST when compared to the zaccaria cab :twisted:
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Yeah , the "other" raider of the lost zacc is back from a mission ;)
And what a mission !, Dodgem!, very rare, so its a great addition to the zacc collection !
Congrats !
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I've never received a call from a friend telling me he has 2 cool arcades for me :)
...and it's excellent that these 2 nice pieces landed in your hands too.
You never know what you're going to find in the bottom of old cabs, sometimes coins, sometimes old ataris ;)
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The guy also took these 2 old pins, I like that James Bond
What James Bond movie does it refer too? Looks much more interesting to watch than the more recent ones...
Octopussy (8 pussys ) perhaps?
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Great catch Bela !!!
... Defender :-* :-* I'm envy
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There are no pics of the upright Space Pirate either....but submitting pictures is (or was?) pointless. I've uploaded a number but they were never published.
+1, I also uploaded tons of pics, but none of them were published. :-\
I will go back this morning for the Dodgem, more pics coming soon. ;)
To be honest, for the first time, I thought it's an early April 1 joke when I got that call, if you can take a look at my vaps profile (http://www.arcade-museum.com/members/member_detail.php?member_id=416594), you can see, that these 2 games are in the top of my wanted list (alphabetical). ;D
Now the harder part follows, I will have to get these machines work somehow. ::)
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nice a Defender! Great catch. Lucky You :pac: :ghost: :ghost:
the James Bond movie which inspired this pinball is The Spy Who Loved Me (I see Jaws and divingsuits :lol:)
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Great catch bela ! really lucky on this one to get 2 cabs you wanted :)
I'm not a big fans of zacarria (don't hurt me ^^) but i like the dodge
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the James Bond movie which inspired this pinball is The Spy Who Loved Me (I see Jaws and divingsuits :lol:)
And what looks like the top of a Lotus Esprit.
That pinball was a major flop, it used an unusual system of timing the game instead of a number of fixed balls, you earned extra time through various actions.
I have a Pink Panther pinball that was a conversion kit for James Bond pinballs due to it bombing.
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WoW Bela! A Defender! And you still have the
(almost) COMPLETE pcb inside there! (only the PSU i missing but can be substituted with a switching PSU)
EDIT: maybe the one on the bottom IS indeed the original PSU!!
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if you can take a look at my vaps profile (http://www.arcade-museum.com/members/member_detail.php?member_id=416594), you can see, that these 2 games are in the top of my wanted list (alphabetical). ;D
I think that deserves at least a little cantina dance... ::)
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WoW Bela! A Defender! And you still have the (almost) COMPLETE pcb inside there! (only the PSU i missing but can be substituted with a switching PSU) ;)
EDIT: maybe the one on the bottom IS indeed the original PSU!!
I will investiagte that in the weekend. ;)
I think that deserves at least a little cantina dance... ::)
I have to create a different choreography first! ;D
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I have to create a different choreography first! ;D
What about "Bela's choreography lessons" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMMEyfUzIxM&feature=related) ;D
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I have to create a different choreography first! ;D
What about "La Bomba" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEVyDmcF7u0&feature=related) ;D
This video not available in Hungary. :'(
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adjusted my post for you.. ;)
I have to create a different choreography first! ;D
What about "Bela's choreography lessons" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMMEyfUzIxM&feature=related) ;D
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Great catch Bela, soem very nice and special games. I sure like the Defender although it's a very hard games, as Ully said.
You are going damn fast with your special game collection. :spaceace:
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WoW Bela! A Defender! And you still have the (almost) COMPLETE pcb inside there! (only the PSU i missing but can be substituted with a switching PSU) ;)
(http://www.dedroidify.com/blogimages/No-Darth_Vader.jpg)
Williams hardware + Switching PSU = LOADS OF TROUBLES !
DO NOT USE A SWITCHER ON ANY WILLIAMS GAMES (Except maybe Moon Patrol, totally different hardware)..
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I have to create a different choreography first! ;D
What about "La Bomba" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEVyDmcF7u0&feature=related) ;D
This video not available in Hungary. :'(
Are you serious ?? Do you guys STILL have the government on your shoulder ?
ANyway, try this...I prefer that version anyway ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDrTNupmJdA&feature=related
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Are you serious ?? Do you guys STILL have the government on your shoulder ?
do you know how many videos with music are NOT working in germany? this is just one example ... >:(
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HUH ?!?!
WEIRD !
No problemo here.....long live the free Dutch spirit .....AHUM
(This message has been stored in some obscure datacenter for 12 months so that Dutch authorities can track me down after I have committed a terrorist attack....freedom ? Yeah, in the 80's !)
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ANyway, try this...I prefer that version anyway ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDrTNupmJdA&feature=related
...and that one is NOT available in Belgium... even if we still have no government...
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Williams hardware + Switching PSU = LOADS OF TROUBLES !
I actually HAVE a 100% working Joust (really? :shock: ;D) and it's powered via switching unit :o
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Williams hardware + Switching PSU = LOADS OF TROUBLES !
I actually HAVE a 100% working Joust (really? :shock: ;D) and it's powered via switching unit :o
I based that on what I've read over the last 5 years on BYOAC and KLOV forums.....maybe you are lucky ?
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ANyway, try this...I prefer that version anyway ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDrTNupmJdA&feature=related
...and that one is NOT available in Belgium... even if we still have no government...
Duh, you guys manage to take a HUGE decision about introducing toll for foreigners (read Dutch-men) on the roads without having an official government. At least over here we have the decency to not take any major decisions when there is no official government...
Yeah, your government screws up the finances, and we can pay for it....
I think it's time to block the Schelde for a couple of months.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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But uhm, what do you guys get for a message when you try to look up that video I linked ?
It's just a music video of the famous La Bomba song...oh-my god, the word "sexy" is in there, is that the reason for blocking it ?
Or is it the gorgeous Bolivian women dancing a bit sensual (decently clothed though)....
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ANyway, try this...I prefer that version anyway ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDrTNupmJdA&feature=related
...and that one is NOT available in Belgium... even if we still have no government...
Duh, you guys manage to take a HUGE decision about introducing toll for foreigners (read Dutch-men) on the roads without having an official government. At least over here we have the decency to not take any major decisions when there is no official government...
Yeah, your government screws up the finances, and we can pay for it....sounds like...Greece....
I think it's time to block the Schelde for a couple of months.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Or maybe it's simply time for an invasion and finally put some order there ! I mean, who's going to take the decision for starting defense ? No government... :)
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(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/~chrischris/arcade/youtube.jpg)
Now is a good time to invade indeed, the gates of the kingdom are wide open and the guards are all drunk!
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I have to create a different choreography first! ;D
What about "Bela's choreography lessons" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMMEyfUzIxM&feature=related) ;D
LOL!!! ;D
Some more pics and some questions:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgSwsnEs_I/AAAAAAAACOY/c3sdRUBabv4/s800/Defender%20002.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgSw9iIVQI/AAAAAAAACOc/JHa9lEG57T0/s576/Defender%20006.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgSx-AyCEI/AAAAAAAACOg/g6Br009k5LI/s800/Defender%20008.jpg)
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(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgSyf5rRBI/AAAAAAAACOk/3G7SmTlgk2o/s576/Defender%20009.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgTZYR59UI/AAAAAAAACOw/Z7COZqXvihU/s800/Defender%20010.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgTZxQBmtI/AAAAAAAACO0/_THP53eEfOo/s800/Defender%20011.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgWNoRE9XI/AAAAAAAACQQ/o7z8KgnhHFQ/s800/Defender%20012.jpg)
I need some input from the Defender owners, if this cab is complete inside or can you spot some missing electronics
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgTbXshUZI/AAAAAAAACO8/PvNIHTZi-JI/s576/Defender%20014.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgTacc5yCI/AAAAAAAACO4/WrfynRyhKv4/s800/Defender%20013.jpg)
It has the original wiring diagramm on the backdoor
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgSwO7nz6I/AAAAAAAACOU/n_0gUVUiE1Q/s576/Defender%20001.jpg)
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The Asteroids cartridge I found in the 2600 ;D
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUkaun0TI/AAAAAAAACPQ/V-jxvsyqcxc/s800/Defender%20018.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUklVtF4I/AAAAAAAACPU/Vct43K9d_uM/s800/Defender%20019.jpg)
Replaced it with a Defender ;D
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgTcJpAWGI/AAAAAAAACPA/aTBIORSb9zg/s800/Defender%20017.jpg)
I guess that is an Atari 2600 joystick(for the slim one) attached to the Cp. and it's working. :D
I tried it out with both cartridges, I can play the games, but the screen is green.Here is a little video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBODw_1_d2U
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And the Dodgem
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUxDP_H2I/AAAAAAAACPw/l5QayrK8YDo/s576/Dodgem%20006.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUxiQ_giI/AAAAAAAACP0/EToNo832gUw/s800/Dodgem%20007.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUyfDIvvI/AAAAAAAACP4/KGoqugo2t_M/s800/Dodgem%20008.jpg)
It has a funny home made coinbox:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUyqC8cXI/AAAAAAAACP8/nUwHL9ML_eY/s800/Dodgem%20009.jpg)
And the usual noob question:
I couldn't find out, if this machine has it's pcb inside or not.
Could it be that big something on the left side?
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUlw-aFXI/AAAAAAAACPg/Oscc-COfA-Y/s800/Dodgem%20003.jpg)
Closer pics:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUlpeLlQI/AAAAAAAACPc/oFxj1qBzuMc/s800/Dodgem%20002.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUlObI3XI/AAAAAAAACPY/KNb9feZgJYg/s576/Dodgem%20001.jpg)
I guess it is a part of the monitor chassis:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUwyKnCUI/AAAAAAAACPs/39fwF8Dzc5I/s800/Dodgem%20004.jpg)
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I need some input from the Defender owners, if this cab is complete inside or can you spot some missing electronics
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgTbXshUZI/AAAAAAAACO8/PvNIHTZi-JI/s576/Defender%20014.jpg)
as far as i can tell from the pictures, everything seems to be there. however, it looks as if on the picture above one of the connector is NOT connected. i'm talking about the board in the middle and there the connector on the left). a connector with black & white wires needs to go in there. i can see the wires on your picture, but i can't see the connector? is it plugged in somewhere else or is it just dangling around? please take some closeup pictures of the individual boards so that i can compare.
first of all, however, i would remove that atari 2600 - as hilarious as it is, but it needs to go. then order a replacement overlay from arcadeshop.com along with a williams joystick rebuild kit. look for a williams joystick on ebay.com or ask around if someone has one and once you've gathered all of that, you're good to go. i'm pretty sure you'll have this up and running soon!
take the pics - i'll give you as much input as i can!
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Thanks Ully, here we go:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg2v2M4tgI/AAAAAAAACQs/P9SPK-IXecg/s800/Defender%20pcb%20003.jpg)
I found that cable ;)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg2wK_mnoI/AAAAAAAACQw/hIXH3dApO_A/s800/Defender%20pcb%20004.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg2wtyJimI/AAAAAAAACQ0/dfelYln5cn4/s800/Defender%20pcb%20005.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg2w6MH14I/AAAAAAAACQ4/X1jQPmCT5_Y/s800/Defender%20pcb%20006.jpg)
Any fuses missing from here maybe?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg2xEvajsI/AAAAAAAACQ8/tYIdP0svNQM/s800/Defender%20pcb%20007.jpg)
And the joy:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg22yaHmEI/AAAAAAAACRI/qIkVAY1N-mc/s800/Defender%20pcb%20008.jpg)
I found a nice joystick here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Defender-Joystick-Williams-NOS-Arcade_W0QQitemZ190499594453QQcategoryZ13718QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp5197.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7064356210953087095), but USA shipping only :'(
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg2xEvajsI/AAAAAAAACQ8/tYIdP0svNQM/s800/Defender%20pcb%20007.jpg)
Nah, that's the batteries holder !! Examine the PCB around it (both sides !!!) for any blue-greenish stuff....if it's there, it needs to get the "white vinegar" treatment !
Highly recommended to desolder the entire thing and get rid of it. Then install a battery hack (like the one I did for Ully).
And this, my good friend:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVgUlw-aFXI/AAAAAAAACPg/Oscc-COfA-Y/s800/Dodgem%20003.jpg)
is a TV chassis !!! ;D ;D ;D
I'm quite sure about this because of the two metal "boxes" on the left-side. Those contain the tuner part of the TV (the metal cover is for shielding off the circuits from any interference).
Nice old-fashioned hack there HAHA ! Only trouble is that the 2600 could be connected through the antenna input, and that's not going to work with an arcade game....(RGB output).....
That Defender had connector problems (see the soldering) very common on Williams games.
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Any fuses missing from here maybe?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg2xEvajsI/AAAAAAAACQ8/tYIdP0svNQM/s800/Defender%20pcb%20007.jpg)
those are no fuse holders, but battery holders ;) and you can be happy, because the batteries have been removed. nevertheless, check the board around the holders for any acid damage and if there's none, ask andré to give you instructions on how to solder on a hi-score battery - or "rent" him to do it in person ;D
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/5442919346_16460a26b2_b_d.jpg)
EDIT: andré, you were quicker - but we both wrote exactly the same thing :P
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OOOOOoooooooo, did you REALLY have to dig up that pic again ..... :-\
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And the joy:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TVg22yaHmEI/AAAAAAAACRI/qIkVAY1N-mc/s800/Defender%20pcb%20008.jpg)
I found a nice joystick here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Defender-Joystick-Williams-NOS-Arcade_W0QQitemZ190499594453QQcategoryZ13718QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp5197.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7064356210953087095), but USA shipping only :'(
looks like everything is there, you only need the stick (but check those metal parts for wear, because most of them have been abused because of the stupid two-direction joystick. speaking of which, ask someone from the forum (an american guy) to get and ship it for you)!
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Thanks for the input guys, sometimes it's very funny to be an electronic noob and read your comments. ;D
André's soldering pic rocks! ;D
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The real question is: Who is that piano-playing girl on the picture on the wall ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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OOOOOoooooooo, did you REALLY have to dig up that pic again ..... :-\
yes - as a reminder how hot it was and how much weight you've lost. why not come over this year again and we make some before and after shots while soldering some stuff? ;D
The real question is: Who is that piano-playing girl on the picture on the wall ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
that piano-playing girl can turn into the green thing underneath if you know how to push her buttons ;)
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The real question is: Who is that piano-playing girl on the picture on the wall ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
that piano-playing girl can turn into the green thing underneath if you know how to push her buttons ;)
Is that Ronja ?
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The Dodgem looks like it doesn't have the original monitor - guessing the op converted it to run the 2600 in colour. Is it missing the game board as well? Rumour is that it's the same or almost the same as "The Invaders" PCB that's more common to get hold of. Likely the monitor is the same as The Invaders also. There's another rumour that a player selectable Dodgem/The Invaders dual game exists.
Cool!
Paul.
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Unfortunately there is no pcb in it. :(
I'm not sure, but as Dodgem is a copy of Head On, maybe it has to be something like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/HEAD-BOARD-/270705715592?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f07516988)
I've got an Inavders pcb from Andysarcade today, I will compare those. ;)
Thanks for the input paul. :D
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"The Invaders" is completely different to the Sega/Taito/Midway 8080 CPU based Space Invaders platform. It's a small 2650 CPU based PCB.
Paul.
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"The Invaders" is completely different to the Sega/Taito/Midway 8080 CPU based Space Invaders platform. It's a small 2650 CPU based PCB.
Paul.
I've got a "The Invaders" pcb I mean. :D
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I mean you may be able to ROM-swap "The Invaders" to "Dodgem" :)
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I mean you may be able to ROM-swap "The Invaders" to "Dodgem" :)
Ah, ok. ;D
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Is there anybody who can tell me more about this rom swap method?
My knowledge is very limited in this topic. :'(
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ok bela, i've just checked your defender pictures and compared them to my machine. everything seems to be exactly like it is supposed to be. so remove that atari 2600, solder in a battery and give it a try. hell, you can even give it a try without the battery to find out what's happening ...
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Andy Welburn (P-Man) might be able to help you out with a set of Dodgem ROMS to swap in - drop him an email and ask if it is a straight ROM swap and if he can burn some EPROMS for you for it.
Paul.
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Andy Welburn (P-Man) might be able to help you out with a set of Dodgem ROMS to swap in - drop him an email and ask if it is a straight ROM swap and if he can burn some EPROMS for you for it.
Paul.
Lol, I bought the The Invaders pcb from him last week. ;D
Thanks for the tip Paul.
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ok bela, i've just checked your defender pictures and compared them to my machine. everything seems to be exactly like it is supposed to be. so remove that atari 2600, solder in a battery and give it a try. hell, you can even give it a try without the battery to find out what's happening ...
Ok Ully, I will try it. ;)
[Noob question mode on]
After disconnecting the Atari 2600 it should be work with the original pcb right away without any other things to do, or I will have to connect something else between the monitor and the pcb?
[Noob question mode off] ;D
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Can one of you guys PLEASE choose another Avatar ?? It's driving me nuts to see the same one for two people !!!!
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[Noob question mode on]
After disconnecting the Atari 2600 it should be work with the original pcb right away without any other things to do, or I will have to connect something else between the monitor and the pcb?
[Noob question mode off] ;D
[noob answer mode on]
don't know how the monitor is connected. it should get its power from the power supply (probably around 120 volts). And of course the pcbs need to be connected to the monitor as well, don't know where that connector is. Perhaps you could post another picture of the monitor chassis ...
[noob answer mode off] :P
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Re:Avatar
I registered before Bela did ;)
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Re:Avatar
I registered before Bela did ;)
I confirm 8)
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Can one of you guys PLEASE choose another Avatar ?? It's driving me nuts to see the same one for two people !!!!
My avatar is quite different from Paul's. :P :P :P
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I did what Ully advised, removed that Atari 2600 and connected the pcb back to the monitor chassis.
The neckboard looks a bit strange to me, I think it's some kind of a hack.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWZmR6vQPCI/AAAAAAAACYM/PT2WWgJCM5s/s800/Defender%20Issue%20008.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWZmRYligQI/AAAAAAAACYI/ooHp7IW-h1o/s800/Defender%20Issue%20007.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWZmSbV4HPI/AAAAAAAACYY/Oj_8x0fX_No/s800/Defender%20Issue%20009.jpg)
After I connected the neckboard back to the monitor, I switched on the beast and took 2 steps back :D
I've heard some starting signals from the game, but only this appeard on the screen:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWZmRLq4emI/AAAAAAAACYA/xnzNwXnIKOc/s800/Defender%20Issue%20005.jpg)
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I put the machine in front of a big mirror and started to adjust the pots, all of them seemed to be working (colors, screen positioning, focus), but nothing more happened.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWZmRGnQRKI/AAAAAAAACYE/Om3JVtiYVbc/s800/Defender%20Issue%20013.jpg)
I also tried to adjust that big black pot (I guess it's the monitor sync), the running lines stoped, but nothing more
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWZmSffUK6I/AAAAAAAACYQ/sStMz4-OlPo/s800/Defender%20Issue%20010.jpg)
Here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIllG9XZnK4
Is it a pcb or monitor problem?
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O-my-god......I've seen some hacks, but this beats about everything !!!
That you even have the guts to power that up !!!
And it actually gives a picture too !!!! :shock:
The problem is 100% a sync problem, but ......holy macerony are you serious you want to keep it running like this ?
I think they put a different tube in that cab, one with a different neck-pin configuration.
That's why they used that extra neck-board.
BUT you lucky devil seem to have a working Defender PCB set there !! Afaik it is first showing the red/orange "rug" patterns (tests) and then seems to go to the atract screen....
You say the running lines stopped but on the video I still see a sync problem... ?
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O-my-god......I've seen some hacks, but this beats about everything !!!
That you even have the guts to power that up !!!
Hungarian Power ! :spaceace: ;D ;D ;D
yeah bela, you sure got balls ! :twisted:
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I think they ran Tchernobyl with the same kind of hardware ? ;)
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From vague memory, I thought Defender outputs V/H split sync and in converted cabs I've seen the monitor sync boards hacked to accept the more usual composite sync. Thus, you may need repair the sync board back to original. The schematic for the monitor is available online for comparison.
That is indeed one super hack job on the neck board. Plan on fixing that :)
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this seems to be the bookkeeping screen out of sync - but you're a lucky bastard because the boards seem to be working. good luck with the monitor, unfortunately this is out of my league ...
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I checked Bruno's Defender topic here (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=107.0) and I think the monitor and the chassis are original, just they hacked a second rounded neckboard between the original and the tube.
Edit:I double checked it and I'm not sure about the tube, it could be a replacement.
André, this is the best result I can get after adjusting sync:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI_5qi83mYE
And the pics from the tube (not the neon) ;D
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWaakRej7vI/AAAAAAAACY4/wlAdWxIlbuQ/s800/Defender%20Issue%20018.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWaalLmca-I/AAAAAAAACY8/Nf9OW6-8Wcs/s800/Defender%20Issue%20016.jpg)
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O-my-god......I've seen some hacks, but this beats about everything !!!
That you even have the guts to power that up !!!
The problem is 100% a sync problem, but ......holy macerony are you serious you want to keep it running like this ?
I kept a nice distance from the cab during powering it up. ;D
I really don't want to keep it like this, but I guess it's a "bit" much for my skills to repair. :-\
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what monitor is that? i might have a spare chassis which came from a defender cab ...
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what monitor is that? i might have a spare chassis which came from a defender cab ...
I will remove it tomorrow and let you know. ;)
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Dont forget to discharge...
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Looks like a Wells Gardner WG K4600?
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no need to remove it, there should be a lable somewhere ...
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no need to remove it, there should be a lable somewhere ...
I checked all the visible parts, but there was not any sign of the type or the manufacturer.
I will take a better look tomorrow. ;)
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Re: Dodgem vs. The Invaders - I've managed to find pics of both boards and the base CPU board looks identical except for a slightly different EPROM configuration (that's likely a link option). The sound daughter board is different, though. My guess is that Dodgem would run on The Invaders with the wrong sounds...
PCB pics added here:
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/list.htm (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/list.htm)
Paul.
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Re: Dodgem vs. The Invaders - I've managed to find pics of both boards and the base CPU board looks identical except for a slightly different EPROM configuration (that's likely a link option). The sound daughter board is different, though. My guess is that Dodgem would run on The Invaders with the wrong sounds...
PCB pics added here:
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/list.htm (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/list.htm)
Paul.
Thanks for the info Paul. ;)
As you advised, I asked Andy Welburn about this and he told me the same.
I guess I will have to find an original pcb for this beauty. :-\
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The number is actually already in this picture:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWaalLmca-I/AAAAAAAACY8/Nf9OW6-8Wcs/s800/Defender%20Issue%20016.jpg)
(Yes I love the zoom feature in OS X).....
K4613 (the 1 is hand-written!)
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Dont forget to discharge...
Why ? There is no need to discharge the CRT if you are getting out the monitor COMPLETE by handling it by the FRAME.
The ONLY time you will have to discharge is when you are going to separate the CRT from the chassis. All the other stories are BUZZ...and it's starting to annoy me a bit.
(OK, if, while removing a complete monitor you plan to stick your finger (or any other delicate part of your body) under the anode cup, then yes, it would be better to first discharge).
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what monitor is that? i might have a spare chassis which came from a defender cab ...
I will remove it tomorrow and let you know. ;)
He is writing that he will remove IT tomorrow
That was a response on the message that Ully posted, wich is clearly talking about a Chassis, and not the complete monitor, so i assumed he is going to take out the chassis tomorrow, and in that case he will remove the anode cup, so an extra security warning is not too bad if you ask me...
just my 2 cents..
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Mmm, ok I assumed he'd take out the whole monitor...good point...
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Nice discussion, lol! ;D ;D ;D
As it is a big hack, I discharged it, just to be sure. ;)
I removed the whole thing and found the tag, you were right André, it's corrected with hand writeing
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWecg_IMqjI/AAAAAAAACZU/X42P3DPT6fI/s800/Defender%20Issue%20020.jpg)
And the original tag from 1981
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWechC_pmkI/AAAAAAAACZc/5I3hIA2iXxA/s800/Defender%20Issue%20022.jpg)
Some more pics from the chassis and from the neckboard
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWechxwO2UI/AAAAAAAACZs/OIlspuBdkiI/s800/Defender%20Issue%20027.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWechgoVB4I/AAAAAAAACZo/F-04kXB5Z-A/s800/Defender%20Issue%20026.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWecg1y3ZuI/AAAAAAAACZY/VxllE8wwmf0/s800/Defender%20Issue%20030.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWeche70VdI/AAAAAAAACZk/Wnkbun0sJkw/s800/Defender%20Issue%20024.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWech-SXakI/AAAAAAAACZw/ldaJR6164sk/s800/Defender%20Issue%20029.jpg)
After a bit of cleaning I found these, the left on is from Poland ;D
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWefds_kZiI/AAAAAAAACaA/QPikQpFZrr0/s800/Defender%20Issue%20034.jpg)
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you're a lucky
bastard boy, bela, because i think i have exactly what you are looking for. the following chassis was pulled from a working defender where the owner accidently slammed the neck, so i'm pretty sure this thing is working. and i'm damn near 100% sure that this is for a wells gardner k4600. can anyone confirm?
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/5476402870_ff8f9320e1_b_d.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5293/5476403340_c10a573ab8_b_d.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5052/5476403210_10343ee282_b_d.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/5475807055_b779d21ec1_b_d.jpg)
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Well, there is still the issue of the not-matching neckboard for that tube...
There are also a lot of K46xx versions, I don't know much about them though.
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Well, there is still the issue of the not-matching neckboard for that tube...
you're right, andré, i thought bela is in need of the chassis, but he already HAS a K4600 chassis, what he needs is a matching tube ...
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Hmmm...
I compared the layout of the pinholes of the original neckboard with the hacked one, seems like the same to me.
I'm not sure, but maybe Ully's chassis will fit right to this tube.What do you think?
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWfyK4SRtiI/AAAAAAAACac/QqOD7Mkbe-M/n%C3%A9vtelen.JPG)
Do you have the same pin configuration on your Defender tube Ully?
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Finally my thin old friend came and solved the problem, there was no outcoming video signal from the pcb and also was something wrong with the sync. ;D
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWqzQ8Qm2jI/AAAAAAAACbU/115qAb-PpRw/s800/%C3%96reg%20001.jpg)
The screen still has a minor vibration and we will have to fix the coin mech. and the test buttons, but it's working!!! ;D
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWqzQE7MUkI/AAAAAAAACbE/f02PkkjJ4Yo/s800/%C3%96reg%20002.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TWqzQcHthtI/AAAAAAAACbI/IXbIt_KQ-OM/s800/%C3%96reg%20003.jpg)
Wohoooo, I'm really happy with the result. ;D ;D ;D
To make it 100% perfect, I would take your spare chassis Ully. ;)
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wooaaahhhhhh! way to go, bela - fabulous!!!
Finally my thin old friend came and solved the problem
is he for sale? ;D that guy rocks - love that picture :-*
To make it 100% perfect, I would take your spare chassis Ully. ;)
no, to make it 100% perfect you need to chance that joystick ;). what did you do regarding that neckboard hack?
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Congrats !!! Great job !
And someone put a 2600 in it......can you believe it ?
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is he for sale? ;D that guy rocks - love that picture :-*
To make it 100% perfect, I would take your spare chassis Ully. ;)
no, to make it 100% perfect you need to chance that joystick ;). what did you do regarding that neckboard hack?
He started to repair video games and pinballs in the 80's, he is a sorcerer but very busy, everybody wants him. ;D
He didn't do anything with that neckboard, just he was battling for breath when he saw it. ;D
He told me that the original was broken (cracked) and they hacked it with an Orion TV neckboard, that causes the minor vibration.
I will replace the cpo and also order a joystick rebuild kit of course, just have to wait until next month. ;)
Congrats !!! Great job !
And someone put a 2600 in it......can you believe it ?
I still can't belive it, but that's make it an unique arcade lifestyle story. ;D ;D ;D
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Nice Vanguard...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180632741090&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
Paul.
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Nice Vanguard...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180632741090&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
Paul.
Thats really nice, and it has the Spacestaion artwork(in front) Etienne! ;)
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Nice arcade lifestyle pic Bela :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7053/reg001.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/reg001.jpg/)
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Can't help but being totally wondered by that soldering station.... ;D
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Nice Vanguard...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180632741090&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
Paul.
Thats really nice, and it has the Spacestaion artwork(in front) Etienne! ;)
Nice that you think of me, but i pass for 3 reasons
1. 511,8 km for just the bezel and the CPO...
2. already 7 bids and the price is climbing
3. it would be a crime to ditch the rest and only keep the CPO and bezel...
If someone wants to grab it, and does not need the bezel and CPO, then i am willing to throw in 50€ for that ;)
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Can't help but being totally wondered by that soldering station.... ;D
That is a home made power supply and test equipment, that retro soldering station was just put on the top of it. ;D ;D ;D
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I was kidding, but I would be happy
Nice that you think of me, but i pass for 3 reasons
1. 511,8 km for just the bezel and the CPO...
2. already 7 bids and the price is climbing
3. it would be a crime to ditch the rest and only keep the CPO and bezel...
If someone wants to grab it, and does not need the bezel and CPO, then i am willing to throw in 50€ for that ;)
I was kidding of course, but I would be happy if somebody could take it from our community, we should keep the Zaccs inside! ;D ;D ;D
If nobody will, it will be my responsibility again. ;)
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DodgeEm is a killer find!
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I was kidding of course, but I would be happy if somebody could take it from our community, we should keep the Zaccs inside! ;D ;D ;D
If nobody will, it will be my responsibility again. ;)
It's going for € 187,- ATM
but we still have 1 hour to go ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/ebayitems/04.jpg)
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Went for 194, I placed a bid from 250 eur in the last 30 sec, but the seller didn't accepted offers from outside Germany, damn. :evil: :-[ :'(
I think he could sell it for much more without this silly option. :evil:
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Went for 194, I placed a bid from 250 eur in the last 30 sec, but the seller didn't accepted offers from outside Germany, damn. :evil: :-[ :'(
I think he could sell it for much more without this silly option. :evil:
I always do a very low bid in the beginning if I want to be sure about that...
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Went for 194, I placed a bid from 250 eur in the last 30 sec, but the seller didn't accepted offers from outside Germany, damn. :evil: :-[ :'(
I think he could sell it for much more without this silly option. :evil:
I always do a very low bid in the beginning if I want to be sure about that...
It was a good lesson, I thought the same after the auction ended. :-\
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Oh, I learned it exactly the same way !
B.t.w. so...you still interested in a Zacc Vanguard ?
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Oh, I learned it exactly the same way !
B.t.w. so...you still interested in a Zacc Vanguard ?
Yes, the cp plexi on mine is broken and has a lot of serious cigs, if I could find a nice one, I would make one from the 2 and I would sell the other to a friend of mine, who insulting me all the time to sell him my Vanguard. ;D
This one on ebay was really nice and had the original Zacc joystick, which is also rare nowadays. :-\
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Next time, Ask Ully, im sure he will help you out in this kind of situation
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Next time, Ask Ully, im sure he will help you out in this kind of situation
I thought about that, but I didn't want to ask another favour from him, I already owe him too much. ;D
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It will just cost you another cantina dance ;D ;D :D
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It will just cost you another cantina dance ;D ;D :D
Lol, maybe I already owe him one more, because the forwarding company that takes the Space Pirate home called me 15 minutes ago, that they pick up the cab in the afternoon, so I made a big rush and a lot of hassle for him for today. ::)
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You better start dancing then ;D
(http://www.gifstop.com/images/dancers/50sDancers.gif)
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@bela: please feel free to ask ANYTIME, no matter what! btw, i've just got back from wrapping up your space pirates, it isn't the best job i've done, but it's better than nothing. i was alone and it was freaking cold outside, so i did the best i could do. now all i need to do is wrap up those glass bezels, but i'll have to buy some bubble wrap first! off i am ...
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@bela: please feel free to ask ANYTIME, no matter what! btw, i've just got back from wrapping up your space pirates, it isn't the best job i've done, but it's better than nothing. i was alone and it was freaking cold outside, so i did the best i could do. now all i need to do is wrap up those glass bezels, but i'll have to buy some bubble wrap first! off i am ...
Thanks in advance for your great effort, if everything goes right I will receive the stuff tomorrow morning. ;D
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The cpo and the joy rebuild kit arrived from Arcadeshop
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TYyF8OualsI/AAAAAAAACpc/htY_oHoHFRI/s800/Defender%20parts%20001.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TYyF8wV5AlI/AAAAAAAACpg/FIkOrqjWQrg/s800/Defender%20parts%20002.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TYyF8EqsZnI/AAAAAAAACpY/Fq374oA7vUQ/s800/Defender%20parts%20003.jpg)
The cpo looks great and it is excellent quality, thanks for the tip Ully. ;)
The cab is at my old friends place atm. for some monitor repairs, cpo restoration coming soon.....
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And finally I took back the cab from my old friend, he replaced the 4116 rams with 4164s and installed new batteries. ;D
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LjHEw0325hk/TfD0JY_TNLI/AAAAAAAADxs/Ow0TLQ9WPKo/s800/Defender%252520ready%252520001.jpg)
That crap WG was also replaced with a beautiful Hantarex MTC 900
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zN2pVr_QsBk/TfD0JR8cIVI/AAAAAAAADxw/xmzc447Mu7s/s800/Defender%252520ready%252520002.jpg)
An the game runs great with a crystal clear screen ;D ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MvBBumCyVs
Stay tuned for some cpo restoration and replacing that ugly joystick. ;)
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And finally I took back the cab from my old friend, he replaced the 4116 rams with 4164s and installed new batteries. ;D
i need to replace those rams on my defender as well - and have to check the battery. for some strange reason it's draining power extremely fast!
congratulations on having the defender up and runinng, i wish i had a repair guy around here as well.
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Thanks Ully, you can check some tutorials here (http://www.robotron-2084.co.uk/techwilliams4164.html) from that ram replacing method. ;)
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[...] and have to check the battery. for some strange reason it's draining power extremely fast!
Ully, you should check the diodes on the board: if it's draining the battery fast (you have a battery hack if i remember well) there's more likely an "almost" ;D short somewhere... i bet it's a diode ;)
Great machine Bela!
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On which board did I install the battery mod Ully, it was Joust 2 right ?
Is that still OK ?
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On which board did I install the battery mod Ully, it was Joust 2 right ?
Is that still OK ?
You did the battery mod on J2 AND on Defender. Remember that we had problems with the J2 battery drainage as well? Haven't checked it in a while because it's at my mom's place. Will have to get an up-to-date reading at the weekend to see where it stands ... I'll keep you posted.
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I did use the correct diodes right ? Those special one's (glass-type)....
It's working absolutely fine on my Berzerk, but then again, that one is powered on every once in a while.....not that long though...I think the battery is doing it's work 95% of the time...
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I did use the correct diodes right ? Those special one's (glass-type)....
diodes? didn't you just solder on a battery along with some wires?
you replaced a diode on the J2 after the battery was draining so fast - but as i've said i haven't turned it on in a while because it's not up in my apartment ... will check at the weekend!
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back with battery results:
Joust 2 is down to 0.040 volts (basically totally empty), i didn't have the cabinet turned on a lot over the last year because it's at my mother's place, probably not more than half an hour!
Defender is down to 0.140 volts, i replaced the battery only a couple of weeks ago.
is it safe to say that the installed battery mod is not working as it should? but perhaps we should not discuss it here ...
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I'm really disappointed by that....weird. It seems the Williams chip draws (a lot) more energy then the one in the Berzerk....
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I'm really disappointed by that....weird. It seems the Williams chip draws (a lot) more energy then the one in the Berzerk....
don't worry, andré, we'll hopefully get there. honestly, i can't remember what you did, it just looked cool :) 8). i found this bob roberts site (http://arcadecontrols.com/BBBB/wmsbatt.html). it that what you did? did you also use a wire?
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Yep, that's exactly what I did.
Maybe stupid, but what kind of (brand) batteries did you use. I know there are extremely cheap Chinese one's on the market that suck....