Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Technical Area => Topic started by: DarthNuno on July 24, 2006, 09:39:51 PM
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Just a quick hint... :wink:
If you have, like me, an old Commodore 1084S monitor -mostly used for your old Amiga computer- sleeping somewhere in your house, it's time to take it back for testing our favorites pcb., or use it with advancemame and experience your game with the true display arcade feeling 8)
The good new about this monitor -> it's full RBG !
Exemple for VGA (under advancemame) to your 1084S monitor
You just have to do a cable like this :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-1.jpg)
For you VGA pinout :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-2.jpg)
use
PIN 1 : RED
PIN 2 : GREEN
PIN 3 : BLUE
PIN 13 + 14 : SYNCHRO
PIN 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 10 : GROUND
and wire to the correspondant signal on a DB9 (don't mind about the 8 pin DIN "C" on the picture below...) :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/sip2/1084spinouts.jpg)
Now, just install AdvanceMame who is able to send a TRUE 15Khz video arcade signal, and enjoy the WONDERFULL picture quality your old Commodore monitor is still able to do :P :P :P
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-3.jpg)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-4.jpg)
Like the real arcade monitor, you get a 'natural' scanline
:o
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-5.jpg)
Nice colors :P
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-6.jpg)
...arcade perfect :)
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-7.jpg)
Of course, you can also use a true PCB to hook on your 1084S monitor, like I did for the Taito's Space Invaders part II :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/sip2/cokta7.jpg)
... I'm now really happy to see back my Commodore 1084S on my desk ... after so many years :roll: :wink:
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great info nuno !!!!
the first time i realise that monitor like that could be use for arcade, it was one day when i ask a guy who has an astro fighter , and i ask him for the correct dip switches.
when i read his web page, he mention how he replace the 13" monitor with an old commodore monitor.....
great stuff to make test bench 8)
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Arcadefever, I really love your testbench :P :P :P :
(http://www.arcadefever.net/TESTBENCH/DSCF0001.JPG)
Question : on your small monitor, are you able to set the same parameters than a true arcade monitor ? I mean can you change geometry, synchro, size, colors, ... ?
Great work too, but ... why in the kitchen :roll: :wink: :lol:
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I have that monitor also , I think it's the NEC one !
If so you can set frequency, size and position like the normal arcade monitor.
The tuning trimmer are on the jamma connector, if you want one I can ask to stekka if he has got one more.
Xad
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the good thing about that mini monitor is the multi sync.
no need to teek here and there...
just one time and that it ...
i know a web site, who sell it for $25 each, but they need some modification to be able to work.
i bought mine on ebay already done and redy to use for $70
i will post all the link needed later....
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I have that monitor also , I think it's the NEC one !
If so you can set frequency, size and position like the normal arcade monitor.
The tuning trimmer are on the jamma connector, if you want one I can ask to stekka if he has got one more.
Xad
Woow xadhoom :o Yes please try to found more trimmers please :o
I'm glad to see such old monitors can still be so usefull 8)
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I don't understand if you want one of that monitor or what ?
If you like it I'll ask my friend if has one more to sell ok ?
Xadhoom
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Hi
I have just been reading this!............I have this mointor............and I have an empty Cocktail cab.........Can I use my old Amiga monitor form a PC with Vga out????
please confirm.....And can I place it in the Moon alien cocktail???
Thanks for any info
Giddygoon
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Yes it's of course an option.
You can use an Arcade VGA graphic card with it by exemple BUT you have to build a custom VGA to Commododre monitor cable, regarding the wiring I explain in this post in order to have this :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/1084s/1804-1.jpg)
BUT...
If I remember, the Commodore monitor is a 13" and your cocktail is expecting a 14" ... not sure about the exact size, but I'm amost sure the commodore is ONE inch too short for the original cockail monitor bracket.
I suggest you to use a brand new TV like I did in that post (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=124.0). 8)
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Hi Nuno
Yeah, I think I will just use 14" TV with scart, Now I noticed that VGA to scart is that all I need, or is there a need to use a VGA to CGA convertor????
Thanks agan
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No need extra converter, VGA to SCART in RGB will work fine BUT you'll have to use AdvanceMame under DOS, or, more easy for setup : buy an Ultimarc's ArcadeVGA and you'll be able to use windows. I strongly suggest you that option if you never worked under dos and AdvanceMame config ;)
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Diggin in the dungeon of the lair, I just put my finger on this interesting topic, as I bought yesterday a 1084.
Thanks for the wiring opinion, as those found on the net seamed to be weird to me with their mini din pin out.
See You, Nuno.
I hope to make it work tonight :wink:
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Yeps, these 1084 monitors are really great :) I'm still using it to configure my different setups ;)
Don't forget to drop few pictures of it when the wiring will be done :P
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Yeps, these 1084 monitors are really great :) I'm still using it to configure my different setups ;)
Don't forget to drop few pictures of it when the wiring will be done :P
sure mate, unfortunately, electronics shops in my neighborhood were closed yesterday & today wtf :twisted:
so it wasn't tested as fast as i expected.
I just need a damned subd 9 connector...
By the way, i pick up my old A500 that was sleeping in my parent's house.
I couldn't make it work with the 1084 yet, because the cable i was using at that time
was an amiga to scart for use on a regular european tv.
I didn't own any original commodore monitor in the past.
This lack is about to be fixed.
Afoo !
I'm too impatient to see if the picture is that good using pcb's on it...
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I'm too impatient to see if the picture is that good using pcb's on it...
It rocks too ;) I've done some test with the Space Invaders Part 2 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=124.0) board :arrow:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/sip2/cokta5.jpg)
By the way, i pick up my old A500 that was sleeping in my parent's house.
Great :) There are a lot of people who need a copy of the Amiga LDG (who allow to play with real laser disc player DL or SA) disk. I've this disk but my Amiga is stuck in my Attic. Maybe you can copy it for me, of better, make an image and I'll make it available here for download ?
::) :-*
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Sorry bruno, but what is Amiga LDG version ?
For the PC transfert, I need to dig a bit in my old tools of that time.
I already did that using DOS emu on the amiga 500, with disk splitting of the original 880K sized amiga floppy,
saved on a 720Ko regular PC floppy,
maked that procedure twice to get the entire amiga floppy in two parts
and finally join those parts with a poor C++ prog and save it to restore the amiga disk as pc file.
Challenging, but by far not impossible :lol:
Note : easier way for such transfert welcome :lol:
Pierre
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Sorry bruno, but what is Amiga LDG version ?
Have a look at this post (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=137.0) ;)
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Okay, if you have the floppies, I can certainly make the PC files...
cheers,
Pierre
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Bruno,
I'm just sick with this monitor.
all the pinout i've found on the net are all different and none of them work.
Sorry, I should be lame.
I've just plugged my 48in1 successfully.
Unfortunately, colours are ugly with blurry effects...
(http://img1.uplood.fr/mamu/q3uc_blurry1084.jpg)
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Now, I'm using this 1084S monitor for testing each advance mame setup I'm doing for each renovation. So I'm using a home made adapter DB15VGA to this monitor.
Let me check if I can found back the home-made adapter I've done for testing the Space Invaders part II board, and so I'll give you the right pinout used of it 8)
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Bruno, if it hasn't been done, I can make an adf image of that floppy for you in 5 minutes. I have some real Amigas (500, 2000, 4000, CD32..) and a Catweasel floppy controller in my PC, which reads Amiga floppies. :)
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Thanks for your reply Bruno, but I take decided this morning to give another try.
As I've seen so far, either I'm not able to read pin out schematics or they are wrong. :roll:
Despite this, after wiring every single color, I did it successfully :
(http://img1.uplood.fr/mamu/7r1n_donkey_1084lt.jpg)
Pixel pitch on those screens are gorgeous, even if I noticed some geometry problem on the sides of the picture.
Here is the pin out I finally used :
(http://img1.uplood.fr/mamu/l4em_dubd9_numberedlt.jpg)
On male connector witch to be plugged on the female of the monitor :
1. Gnd
2. -
3. Red
4. Green
5. Blue
6. -
7. Sync
8. -
9. -
Seems to be similar to this related pin out : :ghost:
http://pinouts.ru/Video/C1084dd_pinout.shtml (http://pinouts.ru/Video/C1084dd_pinout.shtml)
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Bruno, if it hasn't been done, I can make an adf image of that floppy for you in 5 minutes. I have some real Amigas (500, 2000, 4000, CD32..) and a Catweasel floppy controller in my PC, which reads Amiga floppies. :)
Sounds good Madsjm, thanks for your help :-* So if you can send me your full address via private message, I'll send you 'the precious' ;) ;D
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/forforum/precious.jpg)
;D :spaceace:
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Hello All,
This is my very first post on these forums and I am glad to be here! OK, thanks to DarthNuno and funkycochise, I have brought out my 1084S-D1 monitor and I am about to make a VGA-DB9 cable for it! (actually I don't have experience with soldering, so I am paying someone to make this cable for me)
The question that I have is this:
Why is there a difference (discrepancy) between DarthNuno 's pin layout:
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/sip2/1084spinouts.jpg)
And funkycochise's:
On male connector witch to be plugged on the female of the monitor :
1. Gnd
2. -
3. Red
4. Green
5. Blue
6. -
7. Sync
8. -
9. -
Also these sites, report the same layout as funkycochise's (but different from DarthNuno 's)
http://www.gamesx.com/hwb/co_C1084dd.html
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24075
http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/vga2tv/rgb_pinouts.html
All of them report that pins 3, 4 and 5 are RED, GREEN and BLUE respectively.
Question: Which one is correct then? (DarthNuno 's diagram or funkycochise's and others)??? ??? ???
Please let me know as soon as possible, so I can tell this guy to make the correct cable for me! :!: :!: :!:
Thanks!
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I'm interested in doing something similar but with an supergun. I'll look into it
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Thanks for your response. Do you know which pin layout (for 9pin) is the correct one then? (DarthNuno's or the others)
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I think the issue may be differing pinouts between "TTL" (aka RGBI, I being Intensity like on C128, IBM CGA) and "Analogue" RGB (what is used on arcade games, Amiga 500, etc.).
I had an early NEC multisync that accepted different pinouts on the same 9-pin DIN, but had a switch to change between TTL RGB and Analog RGB.
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Thanks, but still there should be a way for me to determine which one is correct. I have a 1084S-D1 (which is North American NTSC and has 9pin RGB output)
It looks like this:
(http://bilgisayarlarim.com/Amiga/1084S-D1/15.jpg)
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Of course, i would say that my pinout is the correct one :)
That said, my best advice, is to wire colour after colour,
Using a pcb you know well.
So you will validate each colours, one after another.
Good luck !
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Thank you funkycochise so much for your message! Well the thing is, someone else is making this cable for me, and my main objective to connect my PC (Windows XP) to 1084S-D1 and use MAME on it. I don't have a real arcade PCB board, so I am only trying to connect my modern computer (using 15Khz) to 1084S-D1.
Would you kindly let me know exactly how many wires (pins) you used? Seems like you have used only 5 total: GRND, R,G,B, and Sync (I am not sure which Sunc is this, V or H)
This guys is charging me $25 for making the cable and I need to make sure it is correct, or else my money is gone! (I know I should learn how to solder, but I could not wait to see my 1084S-D1 in action!)
Would you please let me know!?
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Basically I need to know what did you use for Pin 8 (HSYNC) and 9 (VSYNC) (if used at all that is).
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i can teach you how to solder for 25$ ;) ;D
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"i can teach you how to solder for 25$"
A correct solution is found here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=817474#post817474
I know! But seriously, instead of soldering, can I simply CUT OFF a VGA and a 9pin CABLE and connect their cables that way? I mean are the individual wires insides these cables color coded and correspond with their pin numbers?
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yes, you can bind the wires together without solder
Just take your DVM to Beep the wires and the connectors to be sure which wire is what pin
But seriously, soldering is not that dificult..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeDkcAa4Fs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeDkcAa4Fs)
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lol, are you afraid we have bad eyes? :D ;)
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In fact, in netiquette this is considered shouting...most people don't like it when used improperly.....
If you think you will get better reponse this way you are wrong.
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Ouch, I've done the cables more than 6 years ago! I still use them from time to time, especially the VGA to 1084s one! But don't ask me to double check the wiring provided at the time, that setup is not used by now (somewhere in a box, in my attic, behind a lot of Galaxian Theater stuff) :P
But it's really easy to do...try... retry ...making mistakes...experiment ... is the key to found new solutions, like the use of the 1084s, and progress on this hobby ;)
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:shock: It's a SUCCESS! :shock:
Thanks to DarthNuno and funkycochise, as well as Stedy and Desiv (from English Amiga board, http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=817474#post817474 (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=817474#post817474) and for helping me out!
I ended up using the schematics posted by funkycochise and Stedy , and asked the gentleman who was making the cable for me to follow that. It works!
Here are some screen-shots (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48901682@N02/7191963660/in/photostream/lightbox/), but it has to be seen up close and personal, the difference between S-Video and RGB->VGA is day and night! The richness of the color, the natural "scanlines", and the overall glossy, shiny, and bright colorful sprites and images is beyond belief!
I am using PowerStrip to create resolution profiles for my 10804S-D1 (running at 320x240) and my modern DELL LCD at higher resolution, and maintain extended dual view setting.
:wink: I would really appreciate if you have tips and additional optimization that you can think of! :wink:
Thanks million again!
:shock: It's a SUCCESS! :shock:
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Hello all,
Now, I obtained a 1080 monitor and I wanted to make a cable for this one as well. As you know, in contrast to 1084S-D1, the 1080 only accepts FEMALE 9 pin.
What is the correct pinout for 1080?
Thanks!
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Happy that you finally succeed in making it work.
Additional tip would be to give "soft 15KHz" a try instead of the old powerstrip.
http://community.arcadeinfo.de/forumdisplay.php?142-Soft-15KHz-english (http://community.arcadeinfo.de/forumdisplay.php?142-Soft-15KHz-english)
for th 1080, i'm sorry, I don't know.
Maybe you'll have to make some experiments and use a iron solder. :spaceace:
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Thanks! I will. I really appreciate your help and great notes!
:wink:
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Hi all,
I know this is pretty old thread, but I am in the same boat. Got Commodore 1084S-D1 and want to play PC MAME on it. I got zero soldering skills so definitely need somebody to make a cable for me (I will pay for it of course), or buy one of the cables you got laying around.
Anyone willing to sell their PC VGA -> Commodore 1084S RGB cable?
Those scanlines look awesome!