Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => 'Business' Area : Buy/Sell/Trade => Topic started by: ckong on December 07, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
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Does someone know if something is going on over there. I ordered and paid for an original Pooyan PCB with jamma adapter on 20 October, but I still haven't the reiceived the PCB yet. On 14 November Stefan told me in person at the gaming party that he did send it to Belgium by accident (a bit strange, I already bought more items from him in the recent past), but he got the PCB back and it was on its way to me since a few days.
It's now 7 december and still nothing received yet. :( I e-mailed him a few times the last few weeks and asked him for a tracking number, and also for a new possible order, but I don't get a response at all. I don't want to call him yet, that will only cost me extra money, I just can't understand this radio silence, and why it is taking so long for the PCB to arrive. ???
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michael and i could tell you endless stories about stefan and all the promises he has made and broken over the last couple of weeks. let me just say this: he's working on something BIG right now, so he's extremely stressed out, that's why it's sheer luck to get an answer from him at the moment. EVEN if he tells you he'll send something out, i wouldn't bet on it. just be patient, things will work out eventually, but it may take a little bit longer!
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I ordered a couple of things from Stefan (2 pcb’s and a Jamma adaptor), and he always delivered.
It takes a little bit longer than other company’s but everything always worked out.
Pooyan is a really great game, it will be worth the wait
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I did order more things from him in the past, and it usually took about 2 weeks after payment to arrive. But this time it's already 7 weeks, and counting.
@superully, what's the BIG thing?
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ask michael WHEN he bought his cabs from stefan and HOW MANY TIMES he was given a date of delivery for them which always got cancelled ...
regarding the BIG thing: can't tell yet ;)
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It's two months now that I paid for a stock Pooyan PCB and I still haven't got it. I don't count on it that I ever will, also because he doesn't react properly on my e-mails. Too bad, but it seems that Stefan is way too much over his head with something 'BIG', and he is forgetting his customers. I asked for a 100% refund today, but I doubt that he will react any time soon.
Let this be a warning for other buyers. >:(
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I bought a Double Pong machine off him a few years ago. It took me nearly a year to get my money back from him as he never sent it and would only occasionaly reply to emails!
I must say i've bought 3 other machines from him before this time and then one after and everything went well.
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Pick up is the best strategy I guess. Bought my Meteor from him.
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Pick up is the best strategy I guess. Bought my Meteor from him.
I suppose so, but that would be a bit expensive for a game PCB.
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i'll tell you what: i'm going to stefan's place at the beginning of the coming week, i'll ask him to ship the PCB in person or to give it to me so that i can ship it myself.
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Please ask him if he will deliver my stuff before Christmas 2010... >:(
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Please ask him if he will deliver my stuff before Christmas 2010... >:(
that's going to be a close call ;)
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i'll tell you what: i'm going to stefan's place at the beginning of the coming week, i'll ask him to ship the PCB in person or to give it to me so that i can ship it myself.
Great, I appreciate it. Thanks. But you shouldn't ship it yourself unless you get the shipping money from Stefan as I already paid for that.
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But you shouldn't ship it yourself unless you get the shipping money from Stefan as I already paid for that.
i most certainly won't, i'll simply kick "his behind" a little bit :spaceace:
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But you shouldn't ship it yourself unless you get the shipping money from Stefan as I already paid for that.
i most certainly won't, i'll simply kick "his behind" a little bit :spaceace:
Oh, and I also bought the jamma adapter with it.
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I'm visiting Ully in January and could bring it with me if you want Erik. That is IF Ully gets it from Stephan.
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I'm visiting Ully in January and could bring it with me if you want Erik. That is IF Ully gets it from Stephan.
Thanks for the offer André. First option for stefan would be to resend it to me together with the jamma adapter with tracked shipping. If he doesn't want to do that, then it would be great if you can bring it for me from Ully.
I'm anxious to know what Stefan will tell Ully however.
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so am i.. So am I!
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Guys,
calm down
I also have 1 game in his warehouse still to have shipped
but I know him because I bought from him 2 games
and as said by Ully he told me too he is very busy
an i believe it because it is not an easy task to work on these kind of machines
He is not an operator (with cash flowing with videopokers) and he is not a collector
so he have some difficulty sometime to fix problem to have working games to sell
So little patience and everything will work out
Be sure
New year will bring him good times too
Mav
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hmmm...
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I have met Stephan two times, and Ckong has met him one time, and we also both have done business with him in the past.
We know he's busy, but I think Ckong has been patient enough waiting TWO MONTHS for something he already paid for. I would be annoyed too.
He may not be an operator, but he does run a business.
No matter what, if you run a business, you have to run it like a business.
And in Holland, a deal is a deal and we keep each other to it. There's no "Mañana" mentality here, and I think not in Germany either.
If there is any reason for delay, Stephan should at least communicate it directly to the buyer. This could seriously hurt his Ebay rating and no-one wants this to happen, as Stephan is a nice guy and has great stuff.
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Mav,
I totally disagree with you
I didn't buy a game (cabinet), but a game PCB
with a jamma adapter
which he has (or had) on stock
and which I bought and paid more than two months ago
and which he first shipped wrongly to Belgium, he said (although he and I have done deals before and I didn't move from Belgium to The netherlands in the meanwhile)
and after he got it returned from belgium it was sent to me again around 12 november, as he told me in person.
and which could of course became lost in the mail
But Stefan refuses to give me info about tracking number, he even doesn't give any information at all.
Which makes me feel very uneasy, because he sure doesn't act in a proper business-like way.
So I have every reason to not be calm and be relax about this.
If I buy a stock item from a neighbour country, and shipping is normally one week or so, you can expect that I don't have much patience any longer after more than two monts.
And the newyear has nothing to do with this.
Fortunally, thanks to Ully I will know more in a short time.
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Ckong,
as stated before I'm not asking you to agree with me
But think for some seconds
1) being not calm will bring you nowhere
2) Cry or menace will not fix your problem or make you feel better
3) You've go all the reasons as customer to be irritated, but this will fix your problem too?
That's real and you've got my solidariety
But I think it is better to stay calm and wait for Ully
For sure things will fix soon
Mav
He may not be an operator, but he does run a business.
No matter what, if you run a business, you have to run it like a business.
I agree 100%, that's why I think he should work like that
But maybe he has not yet the experience needed to handle it like a real job
And in Holland, a deal is a deal and we keep each other to it. There's no "Mañana" mentality here, and I think not in Germany either.
Manana?! :o
What's that? sounds new!
Let us know what is all about, it amaze me ;D
Never being to Holland so it is not clear for us what you 're close to as way of thinking (france, germany, belgium, etc..)
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Cry or menace will not fix your problem or make you feel better
Blowing off steam actually makes me feel better. :)
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Blowing off steam actually makes me feel better. :)
If you think it is a right thing to do, then do it
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Manana?! :o
What's that? sounds new!
Let us know what is all about, it amaze me ;D
Never being to Holland so it is not clear for us what you 're close to as way of thinking (france, germany, belgium, etc..)
in many (especially spanish spoken countries) there is a menatlity wich we call "Mañana" (spanish for tomorow)
need i say more ? ;D
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Being no spanish nor living in Spain, I would say yes
don't you?
Mav
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well, my wife is latin, so i know what it means :D :oops:
like Level42 says, we are here like "a deal is a deal" and not if you ask how is it with this and this, the answer is always "mañana, mañana, mañana"
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Being no spanish nor living in Spain, I would say yes
don't you?
Mav
It means "tomorrow", i.e. "I will do it tomorrow", typical response of a unreliable person that keeps on postponing his duties.
Matteo
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just to give you guys a heads up:
- i had an appointment with stefan last week - he cancelled it
- we rescheduled
- he cancelled it the night before
- he's not answering my messages now :(
seriously: WHAT'S UP WITH THAT GUY? how can he run a business like that?
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just to give you guys a heads up:
- i had an appointment with stefan last week - he cancelled it
- we rescheduled
- he cancelled it the night before
- he's not answering my messages now :(
seriously: WHAT'S UP WITH THAT GUY? how can he run a business like that?
I am this close to post a warning on several forums. This is no way of doing business.
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i'll try to give him a call this evening! that's the best time to reach him ...
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im beginning to wonder if i ever get my games... ??? :evil:
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sounds like somebody from australia :-\
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im beginning to wonder if i ever get my games... ??? :evil:
how long has it been? 2 1/2 months?
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won the auktion the 18-10-2009......
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won the auktion the 18-10-2009......
What game?
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Missile Command cab, non working and Colony 7, fully functional...
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i'll try to give him a call this evening! that's the best time to reach him ...
Did you succeed to contact Stefan?
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Did you succeed to contact Stefan?
unfortunately NO - he's not answering the phone. i'll try again tomorrow morning, it's a holiday, he should be at home with his family!
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update for erik: just got off the phone with stefan. he told me that he thought you would be coming over to his place because of some monitor chassis. i told him that you wanted to have your pooyan pcb along with the jamma adapter SHIPPED. if you give me your OK now, i'll let stefan know and he'll send it out to you (or not ;)).
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update for erik: just got off the phone with stefan. he told me that he thought you would be coming over to his place because of some monitor chassis. i told him that you wanted to have your pooyan pcb along with the jamma adapter SHIPPED. if you give me your OK now, i'll let stefan know and he'll send it out to you (or not ;)).
That is partial correct, I did show some interest in a monitor chassis, and wanted to come over for that any time soon. But I never said that he could hold Pooyan for my visit. ??? In fact, on 14 November at the daddelparty he told me that he had shipped the game a few days earlier to me (for the second time, after he first send it wrongly to Belgium). How is it possible that he still has the game then?
And in his last reply to me on 14 December, after we talked about this possible visit, he said that he would find out more about the missing Pooyan pcb (with a tracking number I guess):
"Hallo Erik,
Kannst gerne vorbeikommenn.
habe mehrere Hantarex MTC 900 da.
Am besten am Wochenende. Samsatgs bin ich immer hier.
Schaue nach was mit der Pooyan los ist.
Gruß stefan"
Never heard from him again, strange way of doing business. So yes, please, if he still has the PCB and the adapter, let him ship it out to me.
Ully, thanks for being an intermediair in this, I appreciate it.
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update for erik: just got off the phone with stefan. he told me that he thought you would be coming over to his place because of some monitor chassis. i told him that you wanted to have your pooyan pcb along with the jamma adapter SHIPPED. if you give me your OK now, i'll let stefan know and he'll send it out to you (or not ;)).
Any update on my stuff?
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@michael: email sent
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..... if you give me your OK now, i'll let stefan know and he'll send it out to you (or not ;)).
Hi Ully, what did he say? I hope he has shipped it now.
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Seem´s like he is quite busy atm shipping stuff - except ours....:
World Of Arcade (http://feedback.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=world-of-arcade_de&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true)
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Some say (auf Englisch): very fast delivery!!!!!!!!! How can that be.
I almost want to buy something from him over Ebay and give him a tremendous negative feedback. One that gives him red ears. But I won't, because I still will not have my Pooyan pcb. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Mmmm, this is _SCREAMING_ for a Jrok Multi-Williams board !
http://cgi.ebay.de/Defender-Gehaeuse_W0QQitemZ380196776382QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomaten?hash=item58857e69be
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just send him another, final, e-mail to give him again a chance to respond properly (the man has my money and my game!).
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just got an email from him today. he invited me to come over next week, let's see if this is going to happen. AND he also said he was going to call me this evening. as of now (21.23) - nothing! >:(
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just send him another, final, e-mail to give him again a chance to respond properly (the man has my money and my game!).
Got a reply today :shock:
Hallo Erik,
ich habe doch immer auf deine Mails geantwortet.
Ich dachte du kommst vorbei??
Schicke die Platine morgen raus.
Gruß Stefan
Finally something is happening again. Hopefully I will have the game now in a week or two (max).
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let's hope he sticks to his word. i know what stefan's "tomorrow" means, it's always THE NEXT DAY ;)
btw, he has set another appointment with me coming saturday ...
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just send him another, final, e-mail to give him again a chance to respond properly (the man has my money and my game!).
Got a reply today :shock:
Hallo Erik,
ich habe doch immer auf deine Mails geantwortet.
Ich dachte du kommst vorbei??
Schicke die Platine morgen raus.
Gruß Stefan
Finally something is happening again. Hopefully I will have the game now in a week or two (max).
Now two weeks have passed did you?
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Now two weeks have passed did you?
+1!
did you??
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NO, two days ago I asked him about the tracking number which he wanted to give me on the 14th. No response yet and no game yet. :evil:
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i had an appointment with him on saturday, he cancelled friday evening (told me that his daughter fell down badly and had to go to hospital). he promised TWICE to call me after that - guess what ...
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silence???? ;D
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yeah, silence! BUT: i wrote him another message today regarding the qix pcb he has on sale atm and asked him to call me and - (heavenly choirs) - HE DID! we made another rough appointment for next week 8)
i'm not ready to give up yet!
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HE DID! we made another rough appointment for next week 8)
:o :o He did? :o :o That's great, although what is a rough appointment worth?
If you see him, please tell him that he can stick my pooyan PCB in his a***s***s, all the way through :wink: I would tell him myself but as he doesn't respond to my messages I don't think he bothers to read them at all.
I have had it with him, I consider him a swindler and I better put out a warning for him.
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what is a rough appointment worth?
nothing ??? we have had at least 10 appointments over the last couple of weeks / months which he always cancelled shorthand. i'll give him FEBRUARY and if those appointments get cancelled over and over until then end of next month, i'm done with him as well. if he didn't have stuff which i'm interested in / i have already bought i would have already given up!
i guess the same goes for michael and his cabs ...
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if he didn't have stuff which i'm interested in / i have already bought i would have already given up!
well, IMHO interesting stuff or not, in this way you will never have this interesting stuff, so i am already conviced not to get involved with this person.
imagine the only possible way wich will be a pickup of things, and you drive all the way , and there is nobody there !
so thats also not really an option
i admire your dedication ully !
(and i feel bad for the others that have unfinished business with this man)
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Van: Erik Goetheer [mailto: xxxxxxxxx]
Verzonden: vrijdag 29 januari 2010 11:09
Aan: World of Arcade
Onderwerp: FW: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Stefan,
Ich bin ein Kunde von dir. Kunden sollte man sehr gut betreuen, vor allem wenn man in ein niche Markt operiert. Warum bekomme ich dann kein Antwort auf meine e-mail?
Jetzt habe ich genug davon. Ich habe morgen Geburtstag und ich hätte gehofft dass ich dann ein schönes Geschenk bekommen würde, nämlich ein Spiel dass ich schon vor über 3 Monate her bei dir bestellt und bezahlt habe.
Könntest du mich bitte umgehend mitteilen ob du das Spiel am 15. Januar tatsächlich zu mir gesendet hast? Wenn ja, könntest du mich dann bitte das Paketnummer mitteilen und die Internetadresse wo ich das Nummer eintragen kann. Wenn nein, schicke mich dann bitte schnellstens meine Zahlung von € 85 zurück.
Erik
Van: Erik Goetheer [mailto:xxxxxxxxx]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 8:46
Aan: 'world-of-arcade.de'
Onderwerp: RE: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Stefan,
Hasst du für mich ein Paketnummer?
Danke,
Erik
Van: world-of-arcade.de [mailto:Info@world-of-arcade.de]
Verzonden: donderdag 14 januari 2010 18:08
Aan: Erik Goetheer
Onderwerp: Re: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Erik,
schicke dir dann die Paketnummer.
Sehen uns...
Gruß Stefan
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Van: Erik Goetheer [mailto: xxxxxxxxx]
Verzonden: vrijdag 29 januari 2010 11:09
Aan: World of Arcade
Onderwerp: FW: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Stefan...
Van: Erik Goetheer [mailto:xxxxxxxxx]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 8:46
Aan: 'world-of-arcade.de'
Onderwerp: RE: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Stefan...
Van: world-of-arcade.de [mailto:Info@world-of-arcade.de]
Verzonden: donderdag 14 januari 2010 18:08
Aan: Erik Goetheer
Onderwerp: Re: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Erik...
ckong: I have noticed some strange date in e-mails...
You worte on 27-01 and 29-01 and the answer is dated 14-01!!!
They live out of time!!!!! ;) ;)
Seriously, I hope you will soon receive the material you have requested.
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I think the dates are right, at the 14th Stefan wrote that he will send the tracking number to Erik. Because he didn't send the tracking number Erik wrote an email to Stefan on the 27th asking for the tracking number. And the 29th Erik wrote another email to Stefan because he still didn't answer.
Right?
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petieken: I'm just kidding. ;)
I know what is waiting for an item buyed from a shop over internet and You didn't know when arrive because
the tracking works only in the USA.
Or when You ask is the item is shipped or not, and didin't recive any answer...
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I think I'm still pretty lucky when I see all those troubles with sellers, I've only lost money once. I bought a few anime dvd's on ebay from a seller located in the US. It were 6 dvd's, only 5 arrived. I contacted the seller that there was one missing: "no problem, I'll ship it right away"...NOT! Tried to get my money back with paypal but no go, tried a complaint with ebay but no go either. :'(
One other time I bought a few comic books (also from a US ebay seller) but they never arrived, that time I got a full refund from paypal. :)
Please note I don't have anything against US sellers, it's just these two times I had troubles they were from the US. I have bought lots of stuff from there before and after those incidents without any problem :)
I just remember, there was another incident, not the sellers fault that time. I bought a few active car audio crossovers (Audiocontrol) from someone (also located in the US :lol:). About two weeks later I get a letter from customs that there is a package for which they need identification for it's contents. Ok, I fill in the letter and send it back. About a good week later I still didn't receive any package, so I called the customs office (phone number from the letter I got) but they didn't know of the package number...WTF? After several redirects and other calls (total about 15~20 calls) on other days I just gave up.....the package was clearly lost. I paid over $400 for these devices :'(
NOW, exactly ONE YEAR later (it was februari, I still remember that) I get an email from the seller that his package that he sent a year ago showed up at his doorstep! F*cking A-holes at the customs office :evil:! The seller kindly offered to send again or a refund. I didn't want to go trough all the troubles again so I took the refund.
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I've lost over 500E over the years from eBay sellers :-( Most I believe decided to not ship the item and just keep the money!
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I think as all Europeans buyers with all had this problems buying from Us or Australia or all around the world,
Import is a delicate shipping
It is not like a national shipping, it involve customs, different shippers from country to coutry, Vat fee's
The illusion to pay less from a seller on the other face of the planet has vanished since Ebay have made us dream so,
But the reason why they are now using new paypal refund tools (the latests approved last week) is because everybody is slowly understanding this point
So Ebay is losing buyers and sales
Mav
One hint: if you pay more than $100, to avoid any problem: create a Ups account
It will cost something but you'll have at home what you paid for, with no hassles and no money lost
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It's not that I lost a lot of money, only 1 dvd (I guess around $10-15) and shipping costs for those crossovers.
I'm also not buying from the other side of the world because it's cheaper, some items are just impossible to find in Europe which are common things in the USA or Japan or whatever country.
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I buy lots of things from the US and I have to say almost without a problem. Only once there was a problem and in that case I just think I was screwed by the seller. Generally US stuff comes over in about 6 working days here through USPS shipping. They are cheap and reliable PLUS I don't have to drive 30km to pick up a package if I'm not home.
I've never had any customs problems. Only one time did I have to pay import duties because the seller (Arcadeshop) put a bill on the outside AND declared full value.
All the other times, no trouble at all.
Belgian customs sucks, I'm sorry I have to say that Petieken, but it's true.
Indeed, the US is _the_ source for classic arcade parts and the euro-dollar rate is easing out the shipping costs a _lot_.
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Yeah Belgian customs really suck big time!
Weird thing is, when I receive a package from the US, there's a 90% chance I have to pay "inspection fee" which is €10. This really pisses me off! You have to pay an inspection fee and they didn't even open the package or take out the documents, everything is still closed like it left the seller. Of course I had to pay import taxes several times too.
By now, I have easily received about 60-70 packages from Japan, and with maybe 20% of the packages I had to pay that phony "inspection fee" and never had to actually pay import taxes. I once got a box from akishop full of Sanwa & Seimitsu parts, worth about €200. I had to pay "inspection fee" (€10) and the box was actually opened, because the box was closed again with a "DOUANE" sticker, but I didn't have to pay import tax. This happened more than once with packages from Japan. With packages from the US they almost make you pay import tax for the bubble wrapping sometimes.... ::)
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Yeah Belgian customs really suck big time!
Same!
In short : a lottery ! :ghost:
But now, I'm just resigned... and I'm even 'happy' the customs fee are 'only' 10€ :oops:
I'm just trying to raise down the declared value by the seller... but when it's not possible... I cross the fingers.... a lottery as I said :-\
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Yes, lottery is the best word to describe the Belgian customs! A lottery where you don't want to be a winner :lol:
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When it is shipped as GIFT, the customs cannot charge you anything. It is a GIFT.
Also this inspection fee is crazy !
It's actually amazing no-one here ever thought about it because this is TAX-EM-TO-DEATH country !
You pay income taxes over your salary and VAT and etc. etc. etc. right ?
That's what customs get paid from. Not the way it works here, and we are neighboring countries WITHIN the EC which should mean the same customs laws....Legally spoken ALL countries within the EC live in the same "country" as it comes to importing stuff from outside the EC.
About Stephan...Do I feel another friendly group meeting coming up ? Maybe in front of Stephan's door ? ;D
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About Stephan...Do I feel another friendly group meeting coming up ? Maybe in front of Stephan's door ? ;D
LOL I'm in.
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When it is shipped as GIFT, the customs cannot charge you anything. It is a GIFT.
wrong! in germany they at least charge customs fees on the shipping charges - which imho is absolute madness! WHY??? and then they always ask "how much are the parts inside the package worth" and my answer always is "i have no idea, it's a gift" ;) most of the time they are happy with that answer! ;D
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Wow, I'm starting to feel like actually having some benefits in our little country..
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Still haven't heard from him. I will take this to another level, people have to be warned for this con artist. :evil:
Van: Erik Goetheer [mailto: xxxxxxxxx]
Verzonden: vrijdag 29 januari 2010 11:09
Aan: World of Arcade
Onderwerp: FW: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Stefan,
Ich bin ein Kunde von dir. Kunden sollte man sehr gut betreuen, vor allem wenn man in ein niche Markt operiert. Warum bekomme ich dann kein Antwort auf meine e-mail?
Jetzt habe ich genug davon. Ich habe morgen Geburtstag und ich hätte gehofft dass ich dann ein schönes Geschenk bekommen würde, nämlich ein Spiel dass ich schon vor über 3 Monate her bei dir bestellt und bezahlt habe.
Könntest du mich bitte umgehend mitteilen ob du das Spiel am 15. Januar tatsächlich zu mir gesendet hast? Wenn ja, könntest du mich dann bitte das Paketnummer mitteilen und die Internetadresse wo ich das Nummer eintragen kann. Wenn nein, schicke mich dann bitte schnellstens meine Zahlung von € 85 zurück.
Erik
Van: Erik Goetheer [mailto:xxxxxxxxx]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 8:46
Aan: 'world-of-arcade.de'
Onderwerp: RE: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Stefan,
Hasst du für mich ein Paketnummer?
Danke,
Erik
Van: world-of-arcade.de [mailto:Info@world-of-arcade.de]
Verzonden: donderdag 14 januari 2010 18:08
Aan: Erik Goetheer
Onderwerp: Re: Pooyan und Hantarex MTC900
Hallo Erik,
schicke dir dann die Paketnummer.
Sehen uns...
Gruß Stefan
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In another thread Superully wrote:
i wouldn't used the word "conned", it's just that he has a strange way of running his business.
Fact is that I paid Stefan €85 on 20 October for a game which he had on stock and which he was selling on the website of Automatenhandel Lietz.
Fact is that he told me in person on 14 Novemeber that he made a mistake and that he shipped the game to Belgium instead of Holland (although he has my correct address because I already bought more items from him), that the game came back to him and that he shipped it a few days earlier (I guess that means somewhere around 12 November) again, this time to Holland.
Fact is that I never received it.
Fact is that he told me twice that he would give me the tracking number. He never did.
Fact is that he told you posted on 8 January that if I would give you the OK (?) he would send it out to me. First, how is this possible, he already send it somewhere around 12 November as he told me. Second, because I don’t want you to get involved, I gave him the OK myself on 13. January. Of course I still haven’t got the game, nor a tracking number.
Fact is that I e-mailed him moreover about this matter and that he doesn’t hardly, or only after a long delay, reply on my e-mails. I e-mailed him a few times after 14 January but I didn’t get a response yet. Nobody can say that I didn't give him the opportunity to give his view on this.
Fact is that I’m not the only victim. I don’t know exactly what en when Muerto bought stuff from Stefan, but did he get it already?
Fact is that don’t want to calm down.
So, all in all fact is that I paid him more than 3.5 months ago, that he more than once told me that he has send or will send the game, that he more than once told me that he would give me a tracking number, that I still do not have the game, that he is a conman.
Ully, You are right about one thing, he has a very strange way of doing business, but conman do. Or do you have another name for it? A swindler? A cheater? Anyway, why should I still be diplomatic, he is a guy to be avoided.
I send him an e-mail yesterday, I gave him the link to this thread, I don’t think that I will ever see my game or money, I will never do business with him again, I will warn arcade fans on other (German) forums, it’s a pity that there is a rotten apple in this small community.
The end
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couldnt you just stop by his house or warehouse on your next trip through Germany and ring his doorbell? Maybe then you can pick up the PCB itself. Some people are really indifferent and lazy about certain stuff.
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looks as if stefan has decided to close down his arcade business completely, he's selling off all the arcade stuff he has in a kind of auction fleemarket in march. just to let you guys know: he got A LOT OF classic arcade games a couple of weeks ago and promised me to be the first person to choose from, but then he cancelled again and again. looks as if our appointment for the coming weekend won't be happening AGAIN. if that's the case, i'm afraid i'm done with doing business with him. i have tried calling him today, he didn't pick up the phone / it was turned off. let's see if i can get a hold of him tomorrow or if he answers my emails.
ah, almost forgot: http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?t=13492 (http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?t=13492)
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they way he is doing business as i hear, than this is a correct dicision, i mean , if you treat your customers like this , is better to quit
for me,(i dont know him, and i never had business with him) but based on the sounds i hear i would suggest he put all of it "where the sun does not shine" ;D
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I'm posting the text of that link Ully put up here because you have to be registered to read it. Also the Babelfish translation to English right after it:
Moin Leute,
haben eine total Räumung vom 12.03-14.03.2010
Hunderte von Universal Cabs..Zaccaria, Hellomat, Tv-Ideal, Twinline...etc..
Hunderte von Tv-Tischen und Wandgeräten...Universal...
70-80 original Automaten.. Pong, Defender, Crystal Castle, Asteroids, Ikari Warriors..etc..
Hunderte von Tokengeräten und Unterhaltern.
Hunderte von abgelaufene Geldspieler..
Mindestens 100000 Ersatzteile für Arcadeautomaten... Panels, Chassis, Trafos, Monitore....etc.
1000 Arcade Platinen stehen zur Auswahl.
Es sind zwei Festzelte voll mit Teilen und Automaten..
Alles muß raus......
Verkaufen dann nur noch Laufzeitgeräte...Stellen unser komplettes Sortiment um.
Für jeden ein Schnäppchen....
Räumen alle 4 Hallen...
Zum Termin vom 12.03-14.03.. Bierbude , Bratwurstbude..etc...
Hotels vorhanden..mit Pool.. Für die Kenner..
Die Internetseite World-of-Arcade wird ab dem 1.04.2010 geschlossen.
Dann nur noch Automatenhandel-Lietz.. Kein Arcadebereich mehr..
Es gibt keine vorab Verkäufe.......
Alles in den Zeiten vom 12-14.03.2010. Ab 19 Uhr...
Läuft alles Auktionsmäßig ab.........................
Es brauch sich keiner Anmelden!!! Einfach mitbieten...
Gerne per Mail....
Gruß Stefan
English (Well sort of, I corrected bits):
Hello people, Will have one totally evacuation of 12.03-14.03.2010 Hundreds of universal Cabs. Zaccaria, Hellomat, Tv-ideal, twin LINE… etc. Hundreds of Tv-tables and wall devices… universal… 70-80 original automats. Pong, Defender, Crystal Castle, Asteroids, Ikari Warriors. .etc. Hundreds of token devices and Unterhaltern. Hundreds of funds players run off. At least 100000 spare parts for Arcadeautomaten… Panel, chassis, Trafos, monitors….etc. 1000 Arcade plates stand to the selection. There is full two fixed tents with parts and automats. Everything must go ...... Sell then only run time devices (correction: this means he will sell everything arcade related and after that only gambling machines)… to change our complete assortment over. For everyone an good deal…. Areas all 4 resounding… To the date of 12.03-14.03. Bierbude, Bratwurstbude. .etc… Hotels available. pool .mit. For the connoisseurs. The Internet site World OF Arcade is closed starting from that 1.04.2010. Then only Automatenhandel Lietz. No more Arcadebereich. There are none first sales ....... Everything in the times of 12-14.03.2010. Starting from 19 o'clock… Everything runs auction-moderately off ......................... It custom itself no announcing!!! Along-offer simply… Gladly by mail…. Greeting Stefan
I don't understand completely: Will the auction be there at his place (I guess so seeing, Beer and "bratwurst" offer) OR be on-line(or maybe both ?) "Gladly by mail"....
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I feel a North-Germany group-meet coming up !
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I will be there, and I will demand my money back. ;D It will be a lot of fun, I assure you.
André, will you travel with me? Or aren't you going?
Edit: I just e-mailed him to say that I will be there to pick up my game. :D
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WTF, now im a little bit scared! have pumped €500+ in this guy, so i wonder if he will sell my games...??? (again)
ully....
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this will be a hell of a party ! ;D
maybe you can find your pcb in the stack ckong
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somehow i'm afraid that the machines he sold to you guy here will also be in the mix :o! i have NO IDEA how this is supposed to be working, we wrote that this is some kind of auction where he is also taking offers by email (no idea how you are supposed to know what he has got). imho this is a CRAPPY IDEA which will end in chaos. let's see, i'll try talking to him today!
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Ully, I just registered at arcadeinfo and I want to send him a PM over there. Somehow I can't find, or I don't habve access to his thread, could you give me/us his username over there so that I can send him a PM?
Anyway, I guess that it will be a very special weekend. I am mad about him, Muerto is in it for much more money than I, so I guess you must be furious, Muerto. We really have to make this a group trip.
Ully, do you still feel that Stefan isn't a con artist?
http://www.arcadezentrum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=85682#post85682
I tried to post the same thread at arcadeinfo.de, but somehow I can't open a new topic. I did register yesterday, perhaps there is a timeframe.
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i'm simply disappointed in him, because he promised so many things on the phone and then doesn't stick to his word. that's not how to treat people!
his username on the german arcade forum is stefan30-1. good luck!
btw, he's not answering his home phone and the mobile phone is turned off :evil:
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maby some light at the end of the tunnel....
He answered promptly on my message via ebay, so he will be delivering my games on Tuesday (09-02-2010 1600HRS!)
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and i was just on the phone with him 8)
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I'll be going too, going to buy myself a Taito cab!
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...that is, if he doesn't cancel or postpone the whole thing...
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True, let's hope it will happen.....
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yeah, it could be another scream out into the world implying that the money/cabs/pcb's will be where they should have been, any time soon.
Like former NYC mayor Edward Koch used to say: "Time will tell"
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any news on this auction yet?
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any news on this auction yet?
my guess is that its cancelled 8)
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maby some light at the end of the tunnel....
He answered promptly on my message via ebay, so he will be delivering my games on Tuesday (09-02-2010 1600HRS!)
Congratulations Michael. How do the games look? Pics please.
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as far as i know, stefan cancelled on tuesday ;), but wanted to deliver the games either wednesday or today. so michael, are you still celebrating with stefan?
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hmmm, i wrote him a mail on ebay yesterday, telling him to call me 20 minutes before he get here.... (and he said he would be here between 1100 and 1200).... he has not called yet......, but i´m sure he will!... cough cough..
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hmmm, i wrote him a mail on ebay yesterday, telling him to call me 20 minutes before he get here.... (and he said he would be here between 1100 and 1200).... he has not called yet......, but i´m sure he will!... cough cough..
He probably has to deal with snow, slippery roads, an unwilling navigation system, low on fuel, etc.
But I'm sure that he will show up, you lucky bird. :)
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you lucky bird. :)
Loool!!!
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Muerto, ?
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Muerto, ?
As you properly all have guessed he never shoved.... :( no email, no word, no nothing!
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Muerto, ?
As you properly all have guessed he never shoved.... :( no email, no word, no nothing!
[sarcastic mode on]
thats unbelievable, it never crossed my mind that he would do such a thing ! ;)
[sarcastic mode off]
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I really don't believe this :o :o
How the hell can anyone do business like that? He really owes people money, stuff and God knows what. Never seen such an unreliable guy before. In fact, he really is a frauduleus person, can't be trusted for a penny.
I am going to the police with my case next week, and as I live close to the german border I will go to the german police. Enough is enough.
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Now THAT is taking action. And I've got to know Erik well enough that he means it. And right he is !
That will be interesting.....
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I really don't believe this :o :o
How the hell can anyone do business like that? He really owes people money, stuff and God knows what. Never seen such an unreliable guy before. In fact, he really is a frauduleus person, can't be trusted for a penny.
I am going to the police with my case next week, and as I live close to the german border I will go to the german police. Enough is enough.
Just got word from ully, he spoke to Stefan who said he did´nt come because of the weather, this time the reason for not showing was legit....... though he could have visit me before christmas, even before december when there was no snow at all..
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Just got word from ully, he spoke to Stefan who said he did´nt come because of the weather, this time the reason for not showing was legit....... though he could have visit me before christmas, even before december when there was no snow at all..
i drive 1000 km per week for my work, snow or no snow....
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Just got word from ully, he spoke to Stefan who said he did´nt come because of the weather, this time the reason for not showing was legit....... though he could have visit me before christmas, even before december when there was no snow at all..
i drive 1000 km per week for my work, snow or no snow....
yes, but you don´t have the car loaded with precious cab´s.. ;) - joke aside, i don´t know how much snow there is in Germany atm, but when i comes to driving in, there´s no reason to risk anything.
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Michael, did you hear anything from Stefan?
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yes, he wrote on friday, saying he will come this week, though, as i told him, there are more snow coming,.. - if it was me, i wont risk anything this week (due the snow)
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So, his 'little' sale didn't went through last weekend. No surprise, the weather is of course to blame, what else? :twisted:
Something I don't understand is that on certain German forums people are only allowed to speak positively about Stephan and also about his sale, as if he is a trusting and reliable person. I tried to warn them for him and told those forum members that if they buy stuff from him at the clearout, there is a chance that they buy stuff which already has been paid for by other people, but which Stephan never delivered. To my surprise my warning was deleted by a mod and I got a strange explanation for it: they don't want 'more' turmoil on the forum and I was not allowed to speak about this in public. No wonder members overe there only read positive things. I don't know where those forum admins and mods are afraid for, but I think that it is strange behaviour of them.
Michael, did you get your stuff yet?
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maybe stephan IS the moderator ;D
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maybe stephan IS the moderator ;D
:lol: :lol: No, I know who the moderator is, I met him once in person.
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i don't understand the behaviour of the mods on the german forum either, aren't you allowed to speak your mind and tell others the truth? obviously not! i don't know what they are afraid of.
as i've said before, i'm done with stefan! i wrote him an email last week telling him exactly that, telling him that i've had enough of all his lies and broken promises. of course he didn't have the guts to answer - i wouldn't have expected anything else. he's a jerk!!! i gave him a fair chance although i had heard so many negative things about him before, but here's what i've learned over the last few months: all that negative buzz about stefan is totally true, he's a liar and doesn't know how to run a business and how to treat his customers!
paul is champions league, stefan is no league at all!
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paul is champions league, stefan is no league at all!
+1
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:shock: :shock: ;D ;D ;D
Van: world-of-arcade.de [mailto:Info@world-of-arcade.de]
Verzonden: zondag 21 maart 2010 18:52
Aan: Erik Goetheer
Onderwerp: Re: Besuch 12. März - Pooyan PCB
Hallo, Erik,
Paketnummer ist 952392701373
mit Dhl.de
Gruß Stefan
Automatenhandel Lietz
www.world-of-arcade.de
Inh. Marina Lietz
Antendorfer Str. 7
31749 Auetal
+49 (0) 163 755 69 59
+49 (0) 5752 180 215
Sparkasse Schaumburg
Knto: 548001163 • BLZ 25551480
IBAN: DE35255514800548001163
BIC: NOLADE21SHG
PayPal Zahlungen an: lietzautomaten@web.de
________________________________________
Guten Tag,
Viele Grüße,
Lietz, www.World-of-Arcade.de
----- Original Message -----
From: Erik Goetheer
To: World of Arcade
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: Besuch 12. März - Pooyan PCB
Hallo Stefan,
Leider ist dein Verkaufwochenende versetzt worden. AKnn du mir bitte erzählen was der Status ist von mein Pooyan PCB mit Jamma adpter die ich von dir Monate her gekauft habe, aber immer noch nicht bekommen habe?
Erik
:shock: :shock: >:( >:( >:(
http://nolp.dhl.de/nextt-online-public/set_identcodes.do?lang=de&idc=952392701373
eigentlich sollte mann darum lachen. (actually, one should laugh about it).
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i am not surprised by looking at the DHL link ...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/dhl.jpg)
"Keine Daten gefunden. " (no data found)
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this might take a while to get updated! keeping my fingers crossed that he really sent it out this time.
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OK, Danke.
Erik
Van: world-of-arcade.de [mailto:Info@world-of-arcade.de]
Verzonden: zondag 21 maart 2010 20:08
Aan: Erik Goetheer
Onderwerp: Re: Besuch 12. März - Pooyan PCB
Hallo Erik,
geht morgen früh raus.
Ist ab morgen Online.
Gruß Stefan
Fingers crossed.
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He sends you a tracking number although the package will be sent tomorrow? How does that work, I thought the tracking number is given out when you put the parcel to the post office??
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I do't kbow, doh;t want to tgink aboyt it (it'd dificult tp type with crpssed fingera). ;D
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Maybe business people can provide tracking numbers on there own, I don't know, good luck.
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He sends you a tracking number although the package will be sent tomorrow? How does that work, I thought the tracking number is given out when you put the parcel to the post office??
Some shipping methods give you a tracking number as soon as you register the package online.
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@Erik - and everybody else..
I haven´t received my games, not even a mail telling me he won´t deliver....
Maby i shall write him telling he has to put them on a pallet and ship them here...!!!
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Maby i shall write him telling he has to put them on a pallet and ship them here...!!!
You better do, you have to keep pressure on him. IMHO he is getting deeper and deeper into shit. On arcadeinfo.de he posted only one day before his sale would start that he had to postpone it for a month, this because he wasn't able to do the pre-organisational work! As if he didn't know that a few days earlier. But he also said that it was a good thing to postpone it, because now everybody can celebrate his birthday with him in the April weekend (free beer for all), and there will be at least 100 extra cabs for sale ?????? I hope that there are no cabs of yours in them. ???
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there will be at least 100 extra cabs for sale ??????
blablabla. those extra cabs don't exist - and so do all the other cabs he's been talking about.
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Wrote World of Lies this morning..
Hello Stefan.
It has been 5 month´s since i won the Missile Command and Colony 7. - you have countless times said you would deliver them, but never did.
So, put my games on a pallet and ship them here, because i´m tired of this! (VERY)
I have payed 110€ for shipping when i bought the MC and Colony7 on the 18-10-2009 so use that for shipping!
Michael
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man, FIVE MONTHS!!! you've been waiting for FIVE FREAKING MONTHS for your cabs to be delivered! that's insane, incredible, unbelievable.
haven't you also bought the empty defender cab? what about this one?
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that´s right, but as fas as i´m concerned he can shove it up his ass!
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(http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/128975543823706959.jpg)
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Reminds me of a one-liner from "chistmas vacation" ;D
[Todd and Margo Chester, the Griswold's yuppie neighbors, appear]
Todd: Hey Griswold. Where do you think you're gonna put a tree that big?
Clark: Bend over and I'll show you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TYlOTajXGg)
Todd: You've got a lot of nerve talking to me like that Griswold.
Clark: I wasn't talking to you.
By the way , maybe it's time to change your avatar muerto.....
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/piss-on-stefan.jpg) ;D
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hehe, but atm. World of Arcade is pissing on all of us!
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I realized now, that I'm very lucky, cause I wanted to buy that Zaccaria Eyes cab from him, it was still on ebay after Paul bought it.
I sent him an offer, but he told me, it's already sold.He had the chance to sell it twice, but fortunately he didn't rip me off. :shock:
I hope you can find a way to get your money back from this guy, otherwise we have to organize an armed roadtrip to world of arcade. ;D
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:o :) :o
http://nolp.dhl.de/nextt-online-public/set_identcodes.do?lang=de&idc=952392701373
There is something on it's way to me. Let's hope that it doesn't tick. :roll:
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miracle.... :D
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It will only be a miracle if it's not like this:
(http://www.hollywoodcelebgossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/laptop-brick-styroform-package-picture-3-468x320.jpg)
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Erik, have you received anything yet?
i just went over my paypal record.... :'( :'( :'( .....
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol.png)
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Please do tell me you reported him to e-bay......man that is CRAZY.
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unfortunately it´s to late to report him.. 60 days it´s the max days you get, or am i wrong??
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unfortunately it´s to late to report him.. 60 days it´s the max days you get, or am i wrong??
Just checked and it's even worse 45 days....
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unfortunately it´s to late to report him.. 60 days it´s the max days you get, or am i wrong??
Just checked and it's even worse 45 days....
and my guess is that stefan know's that very well ! ......
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Erik, have you received anything yet?
Not yet, but if you follow the dhl link which I posted before, you can see that 'something' is being handeld.
So I have good hope that it ends well for me, but I feel really sorry for you. And you are in it for much more money than I am. What can you, or we, do about this? Would it help to go to the police (as I said once I would do, but didn't)? Should we form a 'knokploeg' and pay him a visit? Rest with it? Or just cross fingers and wait?
Even Ully, who gave Stefan until recently more or less the benefit of the doubt, now thinks that he is full of shit and that his promises are worthless. How low can someone get? I think that it is outrageous how Stefan acts, and it also is outrageous that we can't mention this and warn other people on the only forum where Stefan seems to post sometimes: arcadeinfo.de
However, I will post one again on that forum, but there is a good chance that my post will be deleted by tomorrow morning and that I will get banned from that forum. But that doesn't bother me at all. Who wants to be part of a forum where we can't warn people for bad sellers.
Here is my post: http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?t=13706
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My reply was moved to a new topic at arcadeinfo.de, and there is a heavy discussion going on over there. appearantly others now also come and say their issues with world of arcade. That's a good thing.
http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?t=13706
But still Muerto, will it help you? Stefan is making arguements about your case:
http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?t=13706&page=4
Stefan mentioned today over there that he is paypalling my money back to me. Why? Didn't he send the package out this week, or will I receive only old newspapers? ???
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Yeah, entertaining stuff over there ;D
I can't believe how many people come up with a let's-forget-it-all-and-live-in-peace attitude, thats just plain Bullshit...
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thats just plain Bullshit...
+1
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thats just plain Bullshit...
+1
Thanks, just logged out there, I can't drink while laughing my ass off ;D
Real life is calling..., I'm off...
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just a quick update: stefan called me a couple of hours ago and told me that michael's games will be picked up on monday. he also told me that he sent michael an email today telling him the same thing.
@michael: is that true?
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Quote:
Moin,
was ist los?? Gibt es Probleme??
That is legendary ! If it wasn't so sad, I would be laughing my balls off.....
How many e-mails did Erik sent ? How many months did he wait ? And people STILL ignore the FACTS.
Erik, you're in a "behind" position because you're not "known" on the German fora while Stefan is.
Let me say that I had 1 positive transaction with Stefan (Meteor) but indeed that was a pick-up.
He was very friendly and he was very friendly at the Daddelparty too. I too have nothing agains the person Stefan.
But the facts are clear enough. Erik tried a zillion times to resolve things. I personally would have stepped in my car LONG before it got to this point.
Stefan caused this shit himself, not anyone else, he should solve it ASAP.
What annoys me is that people cannot post about other people's problems, but that Stefan CAN post about the deal he has with Muerto, while Muerto is NOT able to defend his case !!!! Andreas should measure both to the same standard so he should delete Stefans remarks about Muerto !
[Edit]Andreas agreed with me about this and deleted Stefans' remarks about Muerto's case...
I think it's really sad to see it turn into such a mud wrestle. Some people are unwilling to see the facts.
The facts are simple: You run a business. You offer an item up for sale on e-bay. Guy wins item. Guy PAYS item THE NEXT DAY.
Guy NEVER receives anything even after countless e-mails. Who's wrong here..... ?
Interestingly Stefan _did_ reply in an adult way though: He admitted the screwed up, said sorry and paid back (let's hope that is true for once).
Now....there's still Muerto's case...
If he paid back, end of story I guess.
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i know why i don't like the german forums and some of the people there. this is total crap!
and i have no idea why stefan supposedly paid erik his money back when he told him (and us) that the pcb is on its way (along with a tracking number). have you received anything thorugh paypal, erik?
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.... have you received anything thorugh paypal, erik?
Make a guess!
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eh, NO!!! ;)
btw, stefan just cancelled his sell-out in april!
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Great stuff ;D
He sent me PMs using rude words and telling me I will hear from his lawyers, lol.
What really pisses me off is his fanclub. No problem with people who like him, I guess everyone who had problems with him will surely believe that he doesn't screw up every deal, but his fans seem to think he is a god who never fails.
Makes me sick...
And now people start complaining that they can't buy cabs and stuff because he cancelled his sell-out. OMG, as if he was the only one who sells this stuff. Even if I didn't have problems with him I would not shed a tear because he stops selling arcade stuff, that's life and there are others out there...
Besides, I am sure he would not refuse to sell his stock now, he just cancelled the event, that's all.
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This dude has got some issues. Maybe he should team up with that Australian fraud, I used to read about here or on an other forum a while ago.
But seriously, I think the best way to deal with this kind of people, is to simply visit him.
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well, something is happening.... received this mail yesterday (26/03)
Hi Michael your package, the 3 machines on range. The forwarding catch you on Monday. Did the program can advise. The forwarding call ahead again. If the IDS Association. The other machines are still here. When I'm near I sign up, create it in no moment. Regards Stefan
Let´s see if i receive it...
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what was stefan saying? ;)
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Which language is that ??? :D
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Stefan paid me back my €85 this evening. :) But why? He did send the game to me by DHL last monday, didn't he?:
----- Original Message -----
Van: world-of-arcade.de
Verzonden: zondag 21 maart 2010 20:08
Aan: Erik
Onderwerp: Re: Besuch 12. März - Pooyan PCB
Hallo Erik,
geht morgen früh raus.
Ist ab morgen Online.
Gruß Stefan
----- Original Message -----
From: Erik
To:'world-of-arcade.de'
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Besuch 12. März - Pooyan PCB
Hallo Stefan,
Leider bekomme ich mit diesen Nummern auf DHL die Meldung : ‘Keine Daten gefunden‘.
----- Original Message -----
Van: world-of-arcade.de
Verzonden: zondag 21 maart 2010 18:52
Aan: Erik
Onderwerp: Re: Besuch 12. März - Pooyan PCB
Hallo, Erik,
Paketnummer ist 952392701373
mit Dhl.de
Gruß Stefan
But ther status of the parcel number at dhl.de is that it has been delivered succesfull!! To whom? not to me.
So did he sent it to me, or was this just another tric of him?
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hehe, got a payment today from Stefan..
It´s what i payed for the Defender cab...
Dear Michael Trier,
This email confirms that Lietz-Dienstleistungen has sent you €25.50 EUR with PayPal.
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This story is good enough to write a thriller screenplay for Hollywood! :twisted:
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hehe, got a payment today from Stefan..
It´s what i payed for the Defender cab...
Dear Michael Trier,
This email confirms that Lietz-Dienstleistungen has sent you €25.50 EUR with PayPal.
And the rest ??
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It´s what i payed for the Defender cab...
This email confirms that Lietz-Dienstleistungen has sent you €25.50 EUR with PayPal.
Did you pay 25.50 for a Defender cab? ??? ???
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- will be delivered today...... hmmmm, or tomorrow..... or Wednesday...... or never! :evil:
@slowcade
yes... - was not that fine looking, needed a lot of TLC!
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The package which Stefan did sent to me last week has arrived, ......... in France. :lol: :lol: :lol: It really is unbelievable what kind of guy he is, or maybe has become.
Anyway, for me case closed (I got my money back). Fingers crossed for Muerto now.
Edit: A good friend of me adviced me to edit this reply a bit. He is right, so I did.
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haha! - can´t you contact the guy who received it, and pay him for sending it to you? or is it impossible? (to find him?)
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haha! - can´t you contact the guy who received it, and pay him for sending it to you? or is it impossible? (to find him?)
I don't think that the pooyan pcb was in the package anyway, and the DHL lady couldn't tell me the name and address of the receiver.
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un-freakin'-believable!!! :shock:
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Muerto, your games might end up in Moscow.....!
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don´t say such a thing!! it might come true!!! :'( :'( :'( :'(
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haha! - can´t you contact the guy who received it, and pay him for sending it to you? or is it impossible? (to find him?)
I don't think that the pooyan pcb was in the package anyway, and the DHL lady couldn't tell me the name and address of the receiver.
un-freakin'-believable!!! :shock:
hmm does not surprise me with all the things i have read about him...
i hope for muerto that:
1. the rest of the money will be refunded....
2. that he ships the cab...
i really hope for you that option 1 will become reality because i think option 2 will never happen... :evil:
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here is the entire mail i received; and the games in question is Missile Command and Colony 7
The games was picked up at Stefans place on the 26-03, and the address is the right one (Level42)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wolmail.png)
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fingers crossed!!!
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... still no games received...
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well, it's only been two days. given the fact that you've been waiting for their arrival for 5 months now, what's another day? ;)
anyone wanna make a bet in which country those games arrive? ckong's order shipped to france, my bet is that michael's games will go to poland! :D
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Hey, why is that truck unloading some pallets with cabs in front of my house right now ?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I wonder if Maverick ever got his game ?
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Perhaps someone told Stefan to stuff all his cabs up his ass, and he might have done that. ;D ;D
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He could have a big ass than!:) ;D
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just got a call from patrik who went to my storage to check something: it seems as if there's a hand-painted missile command and a colony 7 in there suddenly ... ;)
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thx to erik (although his file wasn't used) and etienne for uploading the file. looking forward to watching it!
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OK, back on topic. Michael, any news?
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thx to erik (although his file wasn't used) and etienne for uploading the file. looking forward to watching it!
for the people that are thinking "what the h3ll is this about"
I derailed this topic :oops:, and asked bruno to move it out of here into a new topic:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1491.0 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=1491.0)
Again, thanx bruno :spaceace:
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still no news, though, atm we have (like every country in EU) easter, and that means everything has been closed Thursday and Friday, so with a little luck ill receive the stuff on Monday....
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still no news, though, atm we have (like every country in EU) easter, and that means everything has been closed Thursday and Friday, so with a little luck ill receive the stuff on Monday....
ehm, easter monday???
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:P Tuesday! ;D
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... Tuesday came and vent.. so did Wednesday, hopefully tomorrow..... :roll:
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i won't bet on it :-\
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anything michael? günther (the guy where i picked up my congo bongo) has received his items in the meantime, but those weren't cabs ...
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still nothing! - and i just learned that the guy from Denmark i bought monitors from has been waiting 2 years for some stuff!!!! and he still has not received it!!!!! WTF!!!!
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WTF!!! have you tried writing an email to world of lies?
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:shock: There is a word for the kind of people of which Stefan is one of them: he is a bastard. At least he acts like one.
Michael, you must feel desperate, but what can you do? Actually, I really think that it isn't a bad idea to team up with some guys and pay him a visit.
I hate guys like Stefan, they make me feel sick.
@Ully, writing e-mails doesn't make sense any longer, you know that, don't you?
Anyway, Michael, what are you planning to do. Can we help in some way?
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@Ully, writing e-mails doesn't make sense any longer, you know that, don't you?
i know that günther put a lot of pressure on stefan when he told him he would go to the police with this - and HE got his stuff after that. if you want, michael, i can write an email to stefan telling him the exact same thing - perhaps he's going to react then ...
what i don't understand is why stefan is going through all that trouble providing you a "packing sheet" and then NOT sending off your machines. but to be honest, i've given ip trying to understand stefan.
another idea: how about a new thread on the german forum with the information you got from stefan? tell him he's not answering your emails and calls and you have no other way trying to get in touch with him then to open a new thread. it worked for erik, well, it worked partially. at least he got his money back! although that thing with the tracking number was total scam!!!
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:shock: There is a word for the kind of people of which Stefan is one of them: he is a bastard. At least he acts like one.
Michael, you must feel desperate, but what can you do? Actually, I really think that it isn't a bad idea to team up with some guys and pay him a visit.
I hate guys like Stefan, they make me feel sick.
@Ully, writing e-mails doesn't make sense any longer, you know that, don't you?
Anyway, Michael, what are you planning to do. Can we help in some way?
we can get medieval on his ass ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWOn1dFmFds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWOn1dFmFds)
Butch: What now?
Marsellus: What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' niggers, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass.
full scene here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZISW_mcD4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZISW_mcD4&feature=related)
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ill give the machines till monday next week to arrive... than ill contact him again, and if that´s not helping, we can do the german Arcadeforum thing...
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ill give the machines till monday next week to arrive... than ill contact him again, and if that´s not helping, we can do the german Arcadeforum thing...
Yesterday was 'next week' monday. But I suppose you didn't see any cabs in your drive way. ???
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There's just one 80's style answer to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpnCYhSrc-c
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@didi/2-mad: you seem to be the only one who still is good friends with stefan and who hasn't been screwed: can't you talk to him and ask him about michael's machines? when we had this big blowout on the german forum he PROMISED him AGAIN the machines were going to be delivered, but once again he didn't get anything. man, it's been almost 6 MONTHS!!! btw, stefan is not answering my emails anymore ...
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well, Monday came and went, still no cabs....
i have just wrote him on ebay.de..: let´s see what happens, or does not happen...
Hey Stefan.
My cab´s has not arrived, and it´s been 14 days now! - what is going on??? - i have been honest in our trade and this is how you treat a honest costumer???, please get back to me as im growing tired of this! all i want is MY GAMES THAT I HAVE PAYED FOR ALL MOST 6 MONTHS AGO!!!!!!
Michael
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There's just one 80's style answer to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpnCYhSrc-c
How do you come up with them? ;D Thanks for a great few minutes back to memory lane, especially around 2.19 minutes, what a nice ****. I sure had some posters of them in my room. But I didn't recognize Angela.
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Well in my head there were the words "HE's a liar" and I thought of this song but it turned out that the song was SHE's a liar.
Haha, yeah noticed it too :D Gotta love the "big hair", the make-up, the completely amateurish video etc.
Although Patty and Anita (the two "leads" in this song) were the _obvious_ best lookers, I always had a weak spot for Esther..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
And Ria, R.I.P........
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i've written a pm to didi/2-mad, he's going to try to talk some sense into stefan ;)
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just got word from 2-mad who talked to stefan on the phone: he (stefan) promised him (didi) that michael's cabs were sent out YESTERDAY and that the shipping company would get in touch with him (michael) because of a delivery date!
fingers crossed!!!
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Yeah, and the easter-bunny, santa, sinterklaas also exist.
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This is also an appropriate eighties movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3DcWtkKeIY
But jokes aside, this is getting ridicules, this guy really knows how to turn his business to shit.
Glad I received my pcb’s from him a while ago but I’ll never buy from him again.
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smells fishy to me as well, but what somehow makes me believe in this nevertheless is the fact that 2-mad seems to be the only person who hasn't been screwed by stefan yet and who still can talk to him. so let's see how this turns out. what's another couple of days after 6 months?
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(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wolmail.png)
I really wonder how Stefan does this. Is he making up documents? Is this just a price quote that stefan asked for at the shipper? what is it? Anyway, he is unbelievable, and a joker. Do you remember that he said that he would have an extra 100 cabs for his postponed garage sale (which is now cancelled forever Í beleive)? They don't exist, as Ully already said, and 2-mad did confirm this to me last week in a PM more or less.
I hope that Michael can put an end at this in a few days. I did notice on above slip that there was no value mentioned. does that mean that there is no insured value also?
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Here is that what I found using the tracking tool on the IDS webpage :
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Thanks 2-mad! i really hope i get the games this time...
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... well..... are you guys ready???.... ..... ;D
for Exactly 5 months and 28 days ago.... thats 180 days.... thats 4320 hours ago i won 2 arcade machines on Ebay.de...
I think you guys all ready know this... ???... well.. today a pallet was delivered.......... (1)......
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol12.jpg)
I checked it out this evening, and i must say i was a little nervous..... wat was on the pallet...??? you never know.... but... :D :D :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol11.jpg)
I got the Colony 7 loaded and rolled the MC inside for some serious sanding.... !!!!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol10.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol9.jpg)
But i gave up coz i did´nt have the right tool for it atm.... so instaed heres a look inside the cab (laying down) - seems like the wire harness is intact...!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol8.jpg)
Descent monitor..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol7.jpg)
And the good old ATARI power supply!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol6.jpg)
Back in The Shed, the Colony 7 shines! some scratches on the side...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol5.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol4.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol3.jpg)
And the coin mechs, .... ... ... . WOW!!!! i cant wait to fire it up, if the counters are telling the truth the monitor is almost brand new!!!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol2.jpg)
And from the back!!!.... wait... what??... i remember buying this as a working game.....
Well, the hunt goes for a working Colony 7 PCB... :-\
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol1.jpg)
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whaooooo
you should have played euro million today :)
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ITS A MIRACLE !!!
wonders do exist ;D
congrats michael !, finally !
Maybe he shipped the board to somebody else who threat him :-\
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Yes, congratulations Michael, finally :spaceace:.
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first of all: CONGRATS, michael! i never thought this was really going to come to a close. if i remember correctly, stefan wanted to get a working pcb for you. is it the one inside the cab?
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/wol9.jpg)
seriously, michael, how can you even think of sanding this down? this is a piece of art and needs to be preserved. perhaps you could scan it so that each and every one with a missile command could have that sideart printed ;)
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Well, the hunt goes for a working Colony 7 PCB... :-\
according to klov, there seems to be a guy with a spare colony 7 pcb:
http://www.arcade-museum.com/members/game_detail.php?klov_id=7367 (http://www.arcade-museum.com/members/game_detail.php?klov_id=7367)
good luck!!!
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haha! - noooo, the side "art" is coming of!!!!...
and yes, i bought a 2nd MC PCB from Stefan, and it was in the MC cab, bubble wrapped!
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Congratulations michael, I am very happy for you. Now you can focus on something else. :)
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Stefan from World of Arcade is the biggest disappointment I've come across in this hobby.
As some of you know, I bought the arcade collection from a Belgian toy museum.
I sold almost half of that collection to Stefan.
Now, four years later, I'm still waiting for a big part of the money he owes me.
I took the case to court, and the German judge ruled in my favor, but he still has not paid in full.
He promises to pay, but as you may suspect, he almost never follows up on his promise.
If you can, stay away from this business man... >:(
Marco
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sorry to hear, but i've only head shaking left for him.... luckily i got the games he owed me!
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I'm sorry to hear that.
Sometimes I login on arcadeinfo.de to see what he is doing at the moment, but it seems as if he has vanished from the earth. I haven't read from him or heard about him in months. Even his announced big sale has been cancelled.
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Even his announced big sale has been cancelled.
SURPRISE!!!!!1
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?
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?... ok let me cut it out in cardboard for you...
Is´t a big surprise that his so called "Big sale" got canceled.. ;D
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oh, didn't see that erik's reply was a new one :P. btw michael: just talked to günther the other day and he had contacted world of lies via a friend. guess what: stefan told him that a big sale would be coming soon ...
anyone wanna come to my "we're laughing ourselves to death party"? ;) ;) ;)
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anyone wanna come to my "we're laughing ourselves to death party"? ;) ;) ;)
L O L
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Guys, do you remember that I bought an original Pooyan PCB from World of Lies, but that it never arrived. ;D
Of course, we all rememebr this thread about world of lies.
and now I got a PM from robinholland (thanks Robin) with a ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.de/Pooyan-Arcade-Pcb-original-Konami-/380276397824?pt=Automaten&hash=item588a3d5700 :lol: :lol:
Could this be the one I bought last year? Don't think so because that one didn't exist. Still I really would like to have an original Pooyan PCB. But we all know that Stefan can't be trusted. what do you say guys, shall I buy it, with Paypal protection etc., or not? It's tempting.
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Do not go near that with a barge pole!!!!
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if it makes you happy to go through it again i would say goodluck.
if you want my honest opinion, i would say wait another source because my feeling says you need a miracle to receive it from WOL
or go for a pickup, but in that case i hope you are not in front of a closed door...
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i wouldn't buy it if i were you. auctions without pictures of the actual item are always suspicious and W.O.L. clearly states in the description that he isn't going to send / take any more pics of the item ...
enough said!!!
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+1
You can't trust him :(
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If I were you, I would send him a message via ebay, that you already paid for this item, so he MUST remove it from there and send it to you for FREE! :twisted:
It is worth a try! ;)
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If I were you, I would send him a message via ebay, that you already paid for this item, so he MUST remove it from there and send it to you for FREE! :twisted:
It is worth a try! ;)
Belike, after a long time, and a lot of hassle, I did get my money back. So actually he doesn't owe me anything but an apology. :D
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If I were you, I would send him a message via ebay, that you already paid for this item, so he MUST remove it from there and send it to you for FREE! :twisted:
It is worth a try! ;)
Belike, after a long time, and a lot of hassle, I did get my money back. So actually he doesn't owe me anything but an apology. :D
Ah sorry, I thought he also kept your money! :D
Btw. I sent him a message about his Namco Galaxian a few weeks ago, but no answers as usual and his website is also dead, so "you better avoid it"!
I'm sure we will find you a Pooyan pcb somewhere soon! ;D
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Thanks and yes, I will not buy it. :-\ A shame actually, but I just don't trust the guy.
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why dont you give him a "cookie of his own dough"? ;D
make numerous attempts that you would like to buy something expensive, and never make the payment. Just for fun
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why not buying it with paypal,...
As there's the paypal protection program, if you ever receive it , you'll just have to fill a paypal claims saying you never received the item and get back your money ,so you'd have a free pooyan in damage of the hassle that guy provocated to you. If you'll not receive it as expected, then fill a legit paypal claim
not really honest, i confess, but it's the game of world of lie ...
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why not buying it with paypal,...
As there's the paypal protection program, if you ever receive it , you'll just have to fill a paypal claims saying you never received the item and get back your money ,so you'd have a free pooyan in damage of the hassle that guy provocated to you. If you'll not receive it as expected, then fill a legit paypal claim
not really honest, i confess, but it's the game of world of lie ...
He says it is working, but he doesn't want to show a picture of the PCB. For all I know it is a heavily repaired board, with loads of wires and solder. wouldn't like that, even if it is working 100%. I want a clean board, also for possible future sales.
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Enough said about WOL....
.... have you asked on KLOV?
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I bought the Taito Sub Hunter machine Stefan had on eBay.de - I had a call today to say it has been delivered at my parents house. I will be going later to check it out. But I must say it was a very easy transaction (and I have had poor ones from him in the past) - maybe things are getting better?
Oliver
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He still owes me € 1500, it's been five years now... >:(
Avoid like the plague!
Cheers,
Marco
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another here..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pooyan-PCB-Arcade-Classic-1982-/270644882033?pt=Automaten&hash=item3f03b12a71 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pooyan-PCB-Arcade-Classic-1982-/270644882033?pt=Automaten&hash=item3f03b12a71)
boot or original, i dont know
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another here..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pooyan-PCB-Arcade-Classic-1982-/270644882033?pt=Automaten&hash=item3f03b12a71 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pooyan-PCB-Arcade-Classic-1982-/270644882033?pt=Automaten&hash=item3f03b12a71)
boot or original, i dont know
Bootleg, I asked the seller a long time ago. It has been on sale already for a year or so.
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http://www.arcadiabay.de/source/item.aspx?id=3268
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http://www.arcadiabay.de/source/item.aspx?id=3268
Thanks Andreas, Arcadiabay sells some nice PCB's, I did found that site a few months ago. Unfortunately prices are pretty high, also for Pooyan. I will first search a bit further.
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i think arcadiabay's prices are INSANE :shock:
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CKong, a guy from gamoover bought recently a cocktail cab with pooyan inside, i don't know if it's bootleg or original nor if he's keen for selling. but nothing to loose in trying
his profile is : http://www.gamoover.net/Forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3464
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I bought the Taito Sub Hunter machine Stefan had on eBay.de - I had a call today to say it has been delivered at my parents house. I will be going later to check it out. But I must say it was a very easy transaction (and I have had poor ones from him in the past) - maybe things are getting better?
Oliver
Just so you all know, the machine arrived and all seems ok!
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I bought the Taito Sub Hunter machine Stefan had on eBay.de - I had a call today to say it has been delivered at my parents house. I will be going later to check it out. But I must say it was a very easy transaction (and I have had poor ones from him in the past) - maybe things are getting better?
Oliver
Just so you all know, the machine arrived and all seems ok!
Congratulations. You must need room for it I guess. Perhaps you coud swap it for your Black widow, or your tempest. But hey, where would you then go with your Black widow, or Temepst? ;) :D
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Yeah....even I would make some space for those ;)
Or that Super MC/Centi 2 proto....we need more about that machine...like....does it play and how are the games ?
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OK, I try to always be as consequent as I can SO I say it when I don't like something but also when I do.
So in all fairness.....
Couple of weeks ago I was browsing through ebay.de and I come across original NIB Wico joysticks for about €10 each BIN.
Finding these is already pretty hard, esp. in Europe but this also was an incredible price.
I need two good joysticks for my Joust cab and I figured I should be able to get these in there (which would make playing Robotron brilliant !)
So I clicked buy it now right away and ordered 2 of them...
Only after I did that I saw that the seller was Stephan. I figured....well if things don't turn up, it wouldn't break the bank so I took my chance....
And well, it just went without any problem. I paid, and received them within a couple of days and they were indeed brand new original Wico's still unassembled in their boxes.
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well , there still exist miracles ;D
maybe he woke up after reading this threat ;)
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Sorry to bring this old topic on top again... but...
Well, read the whole topic again, sure some "fun" days we was involved in there!!!
The reason for the re-read was that WOL is selling a bunch of PCB on (http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/sig/ebay.png).de atm. and i just checked his seller status.......... and there i dropped my jaw on the keyboard.....!!! WTF???
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/WOL02.png)
How oh how can he have a PERFECT sales record??? 100%!!!!!!?????? WTF????!!!!!
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Not sure, but the last thing I bought from him was at my home within 8 days time...
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If he didn't get any negative feedbacks in the past 12 months, it turns to 100% again.
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Did you have any experiences with Stephan in the last few months?
I'm asking, because he launched tons of pcbs to ebay and there is one among them, that I really, really need.
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Let me guess, the fitter ? or the zippy race ? or the original Hyper Olympics?
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Did you have any experiences with Stephan in the last few months?
i personally haven't talked to him. well, i tried, but he didn't respond to my emails ...
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Let me guess, the fitter ?
That's it, you guessed right, maybe you know me a bit. ;D
Did you have any experiences with Stephan in the last few months?
i personally haven't talked to him. well, i tried, but he didn't respond to my emails ...
Hmmmmm., let me guess, the Jungle King? ;)
Hard to decide what to do....... :-\
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He seems to accept paypal.
Pay that way and cancel the payment if nothing arrives after 2 weeks (or whatever the official complaint limit is).
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"The battle is to the strong", I will try it. :)
Fingers crossed.......
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(http://www.dmj-dancing.co.uk/Good%20luck%20smiley.gif)
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Best offer sent. ;)
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Best offer accepted for the first attempt, money was sent via paypal. 8)
I'm heading to the church now....... ;D
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I will try to help you by keeping my fingers crossed !
(http://www.groetenuitrijnmond.nl/img/cards/4457/576_420_0-maarten-rijnen-fingers-crossed-.jpg)
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GOOD LUCK !!!
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Thanks for your support. ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3jc_3p0YZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3jc_3p0YZY)
;-)
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The package arrived in 2 working days + I didn't prepay the 2nd pcb (Satan Of Saturn), Stefan sent me in advance. :o :o :o
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TZHTK8Bys5I/AAAAAAAACqY/8djUBW7kS2g/s800/Woa%20Fitter%2C%20Satan%20001.jpg)
The pcbs were very well packed and he also sent me an official invoice
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TZHTLpceDEI/AAAAAAAACqc/Cuj3Z2ISB90/s800/Woa%20Fitter%2C%20Satan%20006.jpg)
The Fitter is a bit challenging and really funny game, there is a removable jamma adapter included.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TZHTMBnnj6I/AAAAAAAACqk/ysuBY_77KUc/s720/Woa%20Fitter%2C%20Satan%20008.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TZHTMBpEl7I/AAAAAAAACqo/7plb1x0kPPY/s720/Woa%20Fitter%2C%20Satan%20007.jpg)
I love the cast of characters, especially the "Slave Monster" ;D
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_-UA8BV99Des/TZHTK4BLv0I/AAAAAAAACqU/oXWqrmopVts/s800/Woa%20Fitter%2C%20Satan%20009.jpg)
I don't know if I had luck, or Stefan changed the way he does business, but I'm 100% satisfied, also with the prices. ;)
Stay tuned for the Fitter cabinet I created for this pcb. ;D
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Congrats Bela !
Our prayers must have helped you ! ;D
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i guess since stefan hasn't been selling arcade games anymore his service got better. congratulations, bela, looking forward to your fitter cab!